Linux for ps3

[Gamekid]

Originally Posted by partridge

Player 0?

Not a bad idea, but I reckon 4 players is all most games would support at any one time anyway, so I think the 4 lights are for the 4 players.

I wonder if PS3 will be able to print? via blue tooth, wifi or usb? just a random thought; as you'll be able to store your photos on it, and maybe even edit them? So I wonder if you can print them too.

Possible to, but if sony does include the option, they'll be the first ones to include printing.

[partridge]

Actually it sounds like a great idea. I hope it can be done. GT4 allows you to save "photos" onto a memory stick, so maybe PS3 will allow you to print direct from the game?

But it should allow you to print photos, as the PS3 uses the same menu as the PSP. All they need is a print option, of course printer drivers might be a stumbling block, but it's not impossible to get round.

[georgir]

with most new printers able to print directly from a flash card with no pc (and no game console too) i don't think printing would be a much used feature on the ps3.

[Gamekid]

It's possible that sony might make a ps3 only printer, like an eyetoy camera, but just a printer instead. USB connection would likely be used. The console has six USB ports. The ps2 has two USB ports, but the use is very limited. I would expect more use out of the ps3's USB ports.

[no_wei]

the lack of a memory card reader (if that's really the case) might actually be a blessing in disguise. i've been playing a lot of old psx games lately on my ps2, and even though i can load save files i've found myself not even bothering. because in a lot of situations i fail to see the point of loading at game that's been completed. true, sometimes there are games with a lot of unlockables that still retain a high degree of replay value (or even higher with everything unlocked), but i find that my experience is almost always that the funnest thing about a game is playing it through from start to finish.

and again, i'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to get saves onto the ps3's hard drive even without the slots. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm fairly certain there are already peripherals which allow for saves to be transfered from one's memory card to one's pc. from there it seems that one could just transfer them to a flash drive (or burn them to a cd) and load them onto the ps3 from there. or if you've got your ps3 connected to your wireless network... basically, i don't see it as being an issue. but i would be willing to bet that a lot of people won't even bother because it gives them an excuse to play through their favourite games all over again.

[Gamekid]

Originally Posted by no_wei

the lack of a memory card reader (if that's really the case) might actually be a blessing in disguise. i've been playing a lot of old psx games lately on my ps2, and even though i can load save files i've found myself not even bothering. because in a lot of situations i fail to see the point of loading at game that's been completed. true, sometimes there are games with a lot of unlockables that still retain a high degree of replay value (or even higher with everything unlocked), but i find that my experience is almost always that the funnest thing about a game is playing it through from start to finish.

and again, i'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to get saves onto the ps3's hard drive even without the slots. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm fairly certain there are already peripherals which allow for saves to be transfered from one's memory card to one's pc. from there it seems that one could just transfer them to a flash drive (or burn them to a cd) and load them onto the ps3 from there. or if you've got your ps3 connected to your wireless network... basically, i don't see it as being an issue. but i would be willing to bet that a lot of people won't even bother because it gives them an excuse to play through their favourite games all over again.

I totally agree with what you're saying. I think that it would be best to have a add-on where you would put your ps2 or ps1 card in the front and then connect it by a USB cable, like a card reader for your camera. It would still be up to the player on which save files, if any, are transfered and used. The point being is that you'll be able to use your memory card some how with the ps3.

[Psiweaver]

i'm sure there will be an option that lets you do just that because backwards compatability helped the ps2 a great deal.

[Gamekid]

We'll know more about the loose ends by November.

[Psiweaver]

yeah and if sony doesn't make one it wouldnt surprise me to see pelican or some other 3rd party company do it.

[Gamekid]

You know, I feel really bad for Sony because the ps3 revolves around the blu-ray which at this point doesn't have very much public support from customers, but looking at their player, I don't see how it can't do well. Sony makes good products.

[Psiweaver]

Not everything sony makes is great and there is problems if you don't go with all sony stuff.

[no_wei]

Originally Posted by Gamekid

You know, I feel really bad for Sony because the ps3 revolves around the blu-ray which at this point doesn't have very much public support from customers, but looking at their player, I don't see how it can't do well. Sony makes good products.

one word: betamax.

/no

[Gamekid]

It's true that most of Sony's products are good, but not everything is good.

[partridge]

Betamax was the BETTER technology and is still used by professionals in tv. What lost that fight for Sony was that they didn't get to the consumer rental market as quickly as VHS did.

Remember when video shops had betamax and vhs? But eventually betamax vanished because the movie studios all went with vhs, because they were the bigger selling player (and were bigger in size too)

It might surprise some of you; but the world, and Sony, have changed an awful lot since the 1970's. No company is going to make a mistake like that again, and as blu-ray has greater studio support than its rival AND they have a killer playback device in the PS3, anyone who thinks Sony are going to lose the format war because they lost the video cassette one is an idiot.

I'm not saying they won't, but if they do, it will be for different reasons. Sony are too media savvy now, and they own a number of media studio's too. Giving them an edge they didn't have when betamax was around.

Time to move on, the betamax loss happened nearly thirty years ago!

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by partridge

Betamax was the BETTER technology and is still used by professionals in tv. What lost that fight for Sony was that they didn't get to the consumer rental market as quickly as VHS did.

Remember when video shops had betamax and vhs? But eventually betamax vanished because the movie studios all went with vhs, because they were the bigger selling player (and were bigger in size too)

I have a good friend who was the president of one of the largest video distributors to rental shops back in the early 80s. (It was actually his team which worked out how they could track all rentals in near real time through the stores terminals. This completely changed the financial dynamics for the large distributors giving them the impetus to put a lot of money [and thus a lot of tapes] into the rental market.)

In the mid 90s we sat down and talked about why Beta won out over VHS. While he said there were many, many factors, from his perspective the biggest hindrance was the duration of the Beta tapes.

He felt Sony gambled and lost. Movies seemed to be getting shorter in the 70s. Supposedly gone were the days of the 2 hour movie. Movies were being shown on TV in a two hour block with many minutes of commercials thus requiring significant editing. Movies were getting more expensive to make. Thus it appeared that by the early 80s very few movies would be much over 90 minutes long.

So, as he understood it, Sony decided to go with a high quality format and a limit of 90 minutes per tape.

By the early 80s it became apparent that the 90 minute format would not work. People wanted to tape 2 hour shows on TV. Also movies were still routinely longer than 90 minutes.

With VHS having a standard mode of 2 hours virtually all movies could be shown at VHS's best quality and virtually any TV show could be recorded at VHS's best quality.

True, Beta's standard quality was noticeably better than VHS's standard quality, but the 90 minute format killed them for practical use.

True, Beta came out with a 3 hour mode (and later a 5 hour mode), but the 3 hour mode was no better (in the average viewers eyes) than the VHS 2 hour mode -- and how many shows were more than 2 hours but less than 3. And Beta had lost the edge with the population by the time the 3 hour format came out.

True, Beta came out with extended length tapes to get about 2 hours at the highest quality, but, again, by that time VHS already had the market virtually locked up.

This was just the opinion of someone who I thought should have been "in the know" on things like this.

Sony appears to be taking the exact opposite tack this time...
1) Sony has attempted to put together the larger of the two consortia: Blu-ray.
2) Blu-ray has chosen a format which holds more information.
3) Blu-ray has done almost whatever is needed to get as many studios on board as possible.

This will not be the same battle as 25+ years ago. Will Blu-ray win out? Absolutely no one knows. However, Sony has taken care not to make the same mistakes as last time. It may be making new ones (such as shipping single layer for the first few months and using MPEG-2 rather than AVC [H.264] for the first few movies, etc.), but it is not making the same mistakes twice.

[Gamekid]

Sony just needs blu-ray to sell well.

[theknub]

why is it always just sony?

the bda consortium needs blu-ray to do well. sony needs the ps3 and bdp (or whatever their model is) to sell well.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by theknub

why is it always just sony?

the bda consortium needs blu-ray to do well. sony needs the ps3 and bdp (or whatever their model is) to sell well.

Exactly. This is one of the many reasons the "one word...Betamax" argument doesn't hold any weight.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Exactly. This is one of the many reasons the "one word...Betamax" argument doesn't hold any weight.

It was Panasonic who beat Beta with their VHS format. Panasonic is the most outspoken Blu-ray supporter. I'd say Sony has done something right since their old rival is now on their side.

[Gamekid]

We live in a world where everyone wants to compete with each other.