"SUB WOOFER" Recomendation

[TENSE]

well people, i now have a 2.0 system, and i am ready to upgrade to a 2.1 system. I now want to purchase a Sub and need your guys help.
i love to hear a lot of bass in movies and in music, so i would love a 12 inch
sub woofer that would not be too big, but also not sacrificing sound.
My budget is $400 dollars for the sub woofer. i was looking into an
Elemental design, SVS, martin Logan "DYNAMOOOOOO". LOL
if there is any brand out there that i am missing please let me know.
thank you all.

[crazyBLUE]

E D is probably best choice ! You may have to wait A little to get it but I'm sure it will be worth it !!

[TENSE]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

E D is probably best choice ! You may have to wait A little to get it but I'm sure it will be worth it !!

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT? do they custom build them?

[Big Daddy]

These are some additional choices for you.

Cadence Subwoofers:
http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductC...idCategory=137

Definitive Technology Pro Sub 1000 & Definitive Technology Pro Sub 800:
http://www.definitivetech.com/loudsp...ubwoofers.html

Hsu Research VTF Subwoofers:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html

Subwoofer Manufacturers: A Complete List
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=67130

[JasonR]

Under $400, the eD A2-300 is hard to beat.

The scoring summary ...

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Here is the scoring summary with the Home Theater score and Music score, respectively shown as (HT-M).

Prices and whether the items are available Internet Direct or from a store are now included. Keep in mind that ID pricing will usually be firm, or slightly discounted, where some BM products will see substantial discounts. BM = Brick and Mortar. ID = Internet Direct. ID/SI = shipping included.

Elemental Designs A7-900 ($2200 ID/SI): 116 points (63-53)
Epik Conquest ($1599 ID): 112 points (60-52)
SVS PB13-Ultra ($1499 ID): 109 points (57-52)
Epik Castle ($999 ID): 109 points (59-50)
AV123 MFW-15 Duals: 109 points (56-53) (note, duals were tested as duals are offered as a package)
Creative Sounds Dual SDX-15 driver + Behringer EP-2500 Amp + Behringer DEQ2496 ($1630 ID): 105 points (57-48)
JL Audio Fathom 113 ($3500 BM): 103 points (53-50)
AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
Def Tech Trinity ($3000 BM): 102 points (54-48)
Velodyne DD-18 ($5000 BM): 100 points (50-50)
ACI Maestro ($2400 ID): 97 points (47-50)
eD A5-350 ($715 ID/SI): 96 points (50-46)
JL Audio Fathom 112 ($2600 BM): 95 points (45-50)
Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo ($999 ID): 94 points (47-47)
Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo ($899 ID): 92 points (45-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III + Turbo ($799 ID): 92 points (45-47)
VMPS VSS ($1650 BM and ID): 92 points (45-47)
Epik Valor ($549 ID): 91 points (44-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III w/o Turbo ($699 ID): 91 points (45-46)
SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points (47-43)
Axiom EP-500 ($1230 ID/SI): 90 points (43-47)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo ($599 ID): 88 points (42-46)
SVS PB12-Plus/2 ($1299 ID): 87 points (47-40)
SVS PB12-NSD ($599 ID): 86 points (43-43)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III w/o Turbo ($499 ID): 86 points (40-46)
Rocket UFW-12 ($999 ID): 85 points (provisional) (35-50)
Elemental Designs A2-300 ($350 ID/SI): 83 points (44-39)
SVS PB10-NSD ($429 ID): 83 points (43-40)
Dana Audio 600 ($869 ID): 83 points (36-47)
Rocket X-Sub ($199 ID): 78 points (34-44)
BIC H-100 ($229 eBay): 78 points (40-38)
Rocket Tyke: 60 points (If you care, PM me ... )

Pending subwoofers ...

VMPS VSS Powered sub - Early March, 2008
AV123 BMF ... Not sure of date
Epik Knight ... Not sure of Date

*: The Hsu MBM-12 has been tried with several subwoofers here. We found it to be a good room solution, for times when the best placement with a subwoofer for the deep stuff did not necessarily give the best performance in the 50-80 Hz area. We could not come up with a consistent way of scoring it with the other subs, including the VTF-3 HO. Instead, it is suggested to be look at as a possible enchancement to any subwoofer package.

Listening procedures:

All listening us done under blind conditions. The panel of listeners include several very experienced audiophiles, some of whom also design and build high end pro audio speakers. The subwoofers were each placed in the identical room position, and eq'ed to have a fairly flat (3 dB window) response curve from 18 Hz and up, when the subwoofer was able to go that "low".

Measuring procedures: All measurements are taken at 2 meters/GP from the front baffle of a subwoofer. In the case of a ported sub, the microphone is placed so it is 2 meters from the center of the driver(s) and port. The posted measured results are max "clean" 20 Hz output and the average from 20 to 63 Hz. If it seemed like the amp was the limiting factor in output, "AL" is added to the 20 Hz SPL.

The purpose of this information is to help people to quickly look at a variety of subwoofers and get a pair of scores, some performance numbers, and some listening tests describing the characteristics of each subwoofer. Hopefully, this will provide some assistance when researching for a subwoofer purchase. There will be times that a lower rated sub will work better for someone than a higher rated sub. For example, size, or output, in a lower rated sub may make a difference. Listening preferences may also make a difference. If slam is valued over extension, some subs excel at the 30-60 Hz slam. For others, extension will be the most important issue.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10641557

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by TENSE

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT? do they custom build them?

They are custom built to order. It takes about a month to receive after placing your order.

[Colglizity]

Originally Posted by JasonR

They are custom built to order. It takes about a month to receive after placing your order.

I'd buy a Hsu VTF 1 or a VTF 2 Mk. III if I were in your situation.

[Driver_King]

Originally Posted by JasonR

They are custom built to order. It takes about a month to receive after placing your order.

We all will tell you it is well worth the wait. Plus, it's AMERICAN MADE! Refer to here for more info on waiting times and why you should wait.

[TENSE]

Originally Posted by JasonR

They are custom built to order. It takes about a month to receive after placing your order.

jasonr, so how much do you love your eD sub?