OPPO Digital UDP-205 UltraHD Blu-ray player

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This will look great next to my 203

[LordoftheRings]

Or sell your 203 and the 205 will only cost you $750

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I just placed a pre-order for the new OPPO UDP-205 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player. It is being shipped directly to The Upgrade Company for upgrade and will replace my upgraded OPPO BDP 105 which is being taken in trade as payment in full for the latest and greatest upgrade by Dave Schulte. I look forward to this to add to my new LG 65" B6 OLED TV which is to be delivered and installed next Tuesday.

Rich

[JohnAV]

Oppo added this to their knowledege base - Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Oppo added this to their knowledege base - Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205

Thx John, that's info we can use.

[HDTV1080P]

In regards to the OPPO UDP-205, It would have been ideal for the HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit was placed on both HDMI outputs and not just HDMI output number two. For example the “pure audio” button on the remote control will turn off the players video processing and then HDMI output one will only output audio only. Perhaps there is some technical reason this could not be achieved.

Some consumers prefer using their A/V receiver for all video and audio switching and do not want to have to run two HDMI cables to their A/V receiver for the potential to get better audio quality because of less audio jitter. Now to get the best audio quality with the UDP-205, one has to run a dedicated HDMI 1 video connection to the display and a dedicated HDMI audio connection to the A/V receiver for the potential to maybe hear better audio quality if the slight HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit is good enough for people to hear an audio difference.

For now I will just keep my OPPO UDP-203 since I like using one HDMI output to route all video and audio signals to a A/V receiver with one HDMI cable. In addition, I would never use the improved analog audio outputs that the UDP-205 offers for $1,299 versus $549 for the UDP-203 which has the exact same video quality. The $750 price increase for me does not justify me upgrading to the new UDP-205 for features that I will never use. However, I am sure many audiophiles that want the best of the best for improved audio quality and a headphone jack will spend the extra $750.

[danny24]

I am satisfied with the 203 model, this thing is built like a tank and for audiophiles only.

[PowellPressburger]

the 205 is gorgeous! I'm curious, for the light up front screen of the player, wondering if there will be a Dolby Vision logo built in? It obviously has one for HDR.

Really am excited to see if Dolby Vision takes off. I would almost bet on Disney making their releases featuring Atmos and DOLBY Vision. This could be one reason why it is taking them so long to release 4K discs. Disney did release the first ATMOS audio film to theatres with Tangled. *** Correction BRAVE.

[HDMan72]

^^^ I think Disney's Brave was the first Dolby Atmos release

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

the 205 is gorgeous! I'm curious, for the light up front screen of the player, wondering if there will be a Dolby Vision logo built in? It obviously has one for HDR.

Really am excited to see if Dolby Vision takes off. I would almost bet on Disney making their releases featuring Atmos and DOLBY Vision. This could be one reason why it is taking them so long to release 4K discs. Disney did release the first ATMOS audio film to theatres with Tangled.

No, if you look at page 6 of the 205 user manual it only has a HDR Icon – Indicates the current playing content is High-Dynamic Range. The Dolby Vision capable display will ID what type of HDR its receiving like my LG OLED. Both the Dolby Vision and HLG playback will come from future FW updates.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

In regards to the OPPO UDP-205, It would have been ideal for the HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit was placed on both HDMI outputs and not just HDMI output number two. For example the “pure audio” button on the remote control will turn off the players video processing and then HDMI output one will only output audio only. Perhaps there is some technical reason this could not be achieved.[

They said why in the above article:

However the use of multiple PLLs degrades the quality of the video clock in comparison to the original master clock. Fortunately, the UDP-205 has two HDMI ports: an HDMI 2.0 port supporting all video formats including Ultra HD, and an audio-only HDMI port. Since the actual video can be carried over the main HDMI 2.0 port, OPPO engineers can completely discard the original video clock on the audio-only HDMI port, and replace it with a dedicated high stability and ultra-low jitter master clock.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by danny24

I am satisfied with the 203 model, this thing is built like a tank and for audiophiles only.

Yes the same buying logic applies to 205 as with the 105/105D.

Customers who do a great deal of critical music listening using a very high end, analog connected system will benefit most from these additions.
The BDP-205 features a headphone amplifier for use with high-quality headphones.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

They said why in the above article:

To take full advantage of the HDMI Audio Out 2 Digital Jitter Reduction, would it be preferable to connect it to an AV Receiver or Pre/pro with also jitter reduction clock from its HDMI implementation?
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* Extra: for people who like to read about its predecessor, the Oppo 105 → http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2017/04...-xlr-hdmi.html

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

To take full advantage of the HDMI Audio Out 2 Digital Jitter Reduction, would it be preferable to connect it to an AV Receiver or Pre/pro with also jitter reduction clock from its HDMI implementation?

Not necessary IMHO.

Customers can enjoy their music with increased accuracy when using the audio-only HDMI output port for connecting the audio signal to an A/V processor or receiver.

[JohnAV]

Some quick acting people were picking up their just received UDP-205 players at Oppo Digital Menlo Park Thursday. So should here some initial impressions in the next few days. One person observed the box he picked up was heavy. Yes the UDP-205 is 22 lbs compared to the 105D is 17.3 lbs.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Not necessary IMHO.

You are right, as long that we have a quality AV receiver or SSP or DAC performing properly (most of today's products).

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So the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit is just for CD/SACD/DVDA? & no benefit for Atmos, DTS, Dolby True HD, etc.?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by img eL

So the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit is just for CD/SACD/DVDA? & no benefit for Atmos, DTS, Dolby True HD, etc.?

"For bitstream audio in compressed formats such as Dolby Atmos, Dolby TrueHD, DTS:X or DTS-HD Master, the jitter reduction benefit depends on whether the decoder design in the audio processor/receiver uses a synchronous or asynchronous clock. Compressed audio decoding requires buffering of the audio data and performing mathematic manipulations. If the decoder uses a synchronous clock design, the decoded data is usually driven out with a clock that is 1x, 2x, or 4x that of the reconstructed audio clock but synchronized to it, so the benefit can carry over. If the decoder uses a completely new, locally generated clock to drive out the decoded data, then jitter reduction on the player side is not a benefit, but the same circuit ensures error-free delivery of the bitstream audio data to the decoder thanks to a very stable HDMI video clock and a constant CTS value."

• http://www.oppodigital.com/Knowledge...ProdID=UDP-205

"Once the signal reaches the receiving end, for PCM and DSD audio, the reconstructed audio clock is usually used directly to drive the audio data. As a result, the HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit can improve the sound quality of PCM and DSD audio directly."

[JohnAV]

AVS has a short announcement covering the UDP-205 (Scott Wilkinson on April 22, 2017)

According to Oppo, stereo listening accounts for a large part of audiophile use of a universal player, so the company added a dedicated 2-channel output with balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA outputs. That output is fed by an ESS ES9038PRO DAC, the flagship of the ESS Sabre Pro DAC lineup. The UDP-205 also adds a headphone output that uses another ESS Sabre Pro DAC and a new headphone amp that offers more power and higher performance than the one found in the BDP-105.

The back panel of the UDP-205 (below) provides a few extras compared with the UDP-203 (above), including a dedicated 2-channel output with balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA connectors as well as a USB DAC input. Another difference is that the 205 provides a headphone output on the front.

In addition to a coaxial and optical digital-audio input, which both models offer, the UDP-205 adds a USB DAC input for USB source devices, such as computers. The asynchronous USB DAC supports sample rates up to 768 kHz PCM and DSD 512. In addition, the UDP-205 can convert digital audio from any source to analog. Other enhancements include a high-stability, high-precision HDMI clock and a special HDMI audio jitter-reduction circuit and is applied to PCM and DSD audio.

As with the previous generation, the UDP-205 is physically beefier than the 203, with a massive toroidal power supply, new double-layer chassis, and four heavy-gauge machined feet. The internal layout and circuit design are designed to promote air flow, and strategically placed heatsinks and ventilation grilles allow the unit to run cool and quiet without the need for internal or external fans.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

In regards to the OPPO UDP-205, It would have been ideal for the HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit was placed on both HDMI outputs and not just HDMI output number two. For example the “pure audio” button on the remote control will turn off the players video processing and then HDMI output one will only output audio only. Perhaps there is some technical reason this could not be achieved.

Some consumers prefer using their A/V receiver for all video and audio switching and do not want to have to run two HDMI cables to their A/V receiver for the potential to get better audio quality because of less audio jitter. Now to get the best audio quality with the UDP-205, one has to run a dedicated HDMI 1 video connection to the display and a dedicated HDMI audio connection to the A/V receiver for the potential to maybe hear better audio quality if the slight HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit is good enough for people to hear an audio difference.

For now I will just keep my OPPO UDP-203 since I like using one HDMI output to route all video and audio signals to a A/V receiver with one HDMI cable. In addition, I would never use the improved analog audio outputs that the UDP-205 offers for $1,299 versus $549 for the UDP-203 which has the exact same video quality. The $750 price increase for me does not justify me upgrading to the new UDP-205 for features that I will never use. However, I am sure many audiophiles that want the best of the best for improved audio quality and a headphone jack will spend the extra $750.

quote from OPPO Digital INC in response to this question:


"Unfortunately we have not been told why the jitter benefits were only introduced in the HDMI (AUDIO ONLY) of the player, but the most likely reason is that people who purchase the UDP-205 will likely have older receivers which do not match the technology of their television, or want to more easily switch between HDMI and analog audio. So using a split configuration is most ideal for them."




"As for making an inbetween product, we can take your suggestions into consideration, but at this time we are likely only going to have the UDP-203 and UDP-205 players for the next couple of years."