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[Oniichan]

Glasses Free 3D, maybe your grandkids will experience it, I am saying this to any 22 year old reading this.
What 99% of people don't understand about how 3D works, is your eyes need to be lied to. Do you have any Lenticular Slip covers for your DvD movies? Imagine a 53' wide lenticular slip cover and then trying to look at it. In order for "Eye Pop" effect right in front of you, you pretty much have to wear glasses. There is no if and or buts.

we perhaps could have been a couple years closer to glasses free 3D if James Cameron hadn't of sold out to Panasonic back when Avatar 3D was released. In case some of you don't know, Panasonic paid Mr. Cameron millions of dollars not to release the 3D version of Avatar to the public for 2 years. Only way to get it was to purchase a Panasonic 3D tv. Then he went and had a sub built and did underwater filming. Then he got that out of his system and now wants to all these Avatar sequels.
this is all I have to say, go ahead Jim Cameron, try to invent glasses free 3D, good luck.
oh, forgot to mention, where is Panasonic now? lol

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Oniichan

Glasses Free 3D, maybe your grandkids will experience it, I am saying this to any 22 year old reading this.
What 99% of people don't understand about how 3D works, is your eyes need to be lied to. Do you have any Lenticular Slip covers for your DvD movies? Imagine a 53' wide lenticular slip cover and then trying to look at it. In order for "Eye Pop" effect right in front of you, you pretty much have to wear glasses. There is no if and or buts.

we perhaps could have been a couple years closer to glasses free 3D if James Cameron hadn't of sold out to Panasonic back when Avatar 3D was released. In case some of you don't know, Panasonic paid Mr. Cameron millions of dollars not to release the 3D version of Avatar to the public for 2 years. Only way to get it was to purchase a Panasonic 3D tv. Then he went and had a sub built and did underwater filming. Then he got that out of his system and now wants to all these Avatar sequels.
this is all I have to say, go ahead Jim Cameron, try to invent glasses free 3D, good luck.
oh, forgot to mention, where is Panasonic now? lol

Good point about the lenticular/hologram covers as a good comparison of 3D without glasses. I'm trying to think of some of those that actually pop out a little bit. I'll have to go through my collection.

But yeah, that deal with Panasonic totally stifled potential sales of 3DTVs and the 3D market. Those who were hyped for getting Avatar 3D at home, saw Panasonic was the only way to get the film, and that was it. Only years later, after that deal, did it arrive on blu ray 3D for everyone. Thankfully there are plenty of us 3D fans out there who keep blu ray 3D alive.

That video link before, has the guy go into good depth about the technology and its potential and limits. That display had a video showing Drive Angry 3D, which has strong 3D layers and pop outs, though I'd have to see how the pop outs work on that glasses free 3DTV, which was supposed to be available by now.

Here is the video showing Drive Angry 3D, though this is obviously a 2D video.

YouTube

[cinerama]

OK. It's been two years for Ultra-D and four years for the Dolby Cinema TV. None have been advertised in the USA. We are down to Sony and LG 3D TV's. It's a very small market. They will never sell enough of these glasses free TV's to be profitable.

[Interdimensional]

Originally Posted by Oniichan

Glasses Free 3D, maybe your grandkids will experience it, I am saying this to any 22 year old reading this.
What 99% of people don't understand about how 3D works, is your eyes need to be lied to. Do you have any Lenticular Slip covers for your DvD movies? Imagine a 53' wide lenticular slip cover and then trying to look at it. In order for "Eye Pop" effect right in front of you, you pretty much have to wear glasses. There is no if and or buts.

My Fuji W3 camera has a 3.5 inch lenticular autosterescopic screen that is perfectly capable of displaying as much pop-out as any active or passive screen I've seen. Of course it's all relative to the size of the screen. Even the most extreme pop-out from Jaws 3 or the like is would only be an inch or so out of the screen at that scale.

I'm perfectly content if 3-D stays in the glasses realm for the foreseeable future. I don't want to see autostereoscopy come to market unless/until the technology is totally bulletproof. I think the concept of an autosterescopic future may be more useful as a carrot on a stick than it would be as a reality.

When you consider how many animated films are created 3-D nowadays, it's like someone sold them on the idea that in the future, all TVs will be 3-D, and if your content isn't 3-D, kids won't want to watch it.

I think the danger of glasses-free 3-D, is that if it arrives and doesn't live up to the hype, then a lot of people might dismiss it for good. Too many people seem to measure the success of 3-D in an all or nothing fashion. If it doesn't go mass-market and take over everything, they will view that as a failure.

[Zivouhr]

Good points made.

Sony is said to still be developing the glasses free 3DTV technology and did suggest they weren't ready to present it until they were certain it was fully effective for the 3D viewing angles.

While I'm eager to see what a glasses free 3DTV looks like in person, aside from the impressive mini screen of the Nintendo 3DS, I agree that it's best to start offering the glasses free 3DTV when the 3D tech can match what is currently possible for 3D with glasses on.

I imagine we may see something for glasses free 3DTVs if Avatar 2 offers limited screenings at select theaters for glasses free 3D presentations. That technology definitely won't appear for all theaters, and I wonder if Cameron would support the technology if it didn't offer pop outs, though he does place a lot more focus on 3D layers/depth in Avatar 3D. Titanic 3D, I'll have to look for pop outs, and for the 2017 Terminator 2 3D also.

[AmrlKJaneway]

Yo, check this out;

http://www.cineplex.com.au/

Scroll down to the Doctor Strange listing and it says "3D Glasses Free". Now, I've clicked around a bit and found no more information. Googling it, I get a few pages from mid-year saying MIT has shown that this is possible, but not ready to market yet.

So, why is my cinema saying it's doing it? Are they? Has anyone seen it? Is it good?

[AmrlKJaneway]

My wife informs me that the glasses are free, as in they cost nothing, for this movie. They're usually $1. Sorry about that folks.

Here's a link to some news on the MIT thing, just so this thread has some sort of meaning;

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...3#post12872693

Now, discuss!

[batman2000]

when will find out more about the ultra d glasses free 3d displays?

[blackwiggle]

If ever, most likely would be at the next C.E.S show, which is held early in January each year in Las Vegas.

[batman2000]

i heard it was coming out this year.

[mar3o]

Yeah, and they say that every year.

A) I don't think they are ready for market.

B) They will be very, very expensive if/when they do.

C) I seriously doubt the 3D will be capable of delivering the depth and out-of-screen effects that LG passive sets can deliver. I'd love to be wrong about this.

With 3D being dropped from 2017 sets, 3D momentum will be disrupted, possibly hurting 3D blu-ray releases in the short or long term. By the time they "revive" 3D TVs, it may not matter if Hollywood is no longer on-board with 3D blu-ray releases. They never should have dropped 3D support this year. It only hurts 3D's acceptance.

[Paul H]

Recent reports of Avatar sequels to be "glasses-free 3D" are just not true!

There were reports recently that Cameron was developing his Avatar sequel, due for release in 2020, to be shown in glasses-free 3D — which isn't true. “I don’t think that’s a near-term technology,” he says. “Someone could walk through the door tomorrow having cracked it... but someone could also walk through the door tomorrow with a warp drive.” Still, he maintains: it is the future of 3D — especially if the technology has any hope of surviving in the home

Source: James Cameron on Terminator 2, Avatar and the future of cinema.

IMO, the future of 3D in the home will stem from the current passive technology that is almost perfection in the 2016 LG OLED displays

[Steedeel]

So what's the wow factor that is going to blow us away in this film? 60 FPS? No thanks.

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So what's the wow factor that is going to blow us away in this film? 60 FPS? No thanks.

Maybe it will just be a great movie with great native 3D. Those are a rarity.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Maybe it will just be a great movie with great native 3D. Those are a rarity.

Agreed but the way Cameron was talking it was going to be as groundbreaking as Avatar. Don't see how.

[film11]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Agreed but the way Cameron was talking it was going to be as groundbreaking as Avatar. Don't see how.

It will have more aggressive 3D. Cameron has said his biggest regret about the first movie was that he didn't push the 3D hard enough.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by film11

It will have more aggressive 3D. Cameron has said his biggest regret about the first movie was that he didn't push the 3D hard enough.

Still not groundbreaking though?

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Still not groundbreaking though?

The reasons why Avatar was considered groundbreaking wasn't just the 3D, it was the heavily detailed CG environments and the advances in motion capture software, which required new technology to be invented. Quite a few film makers have gone on record to say that their films wouldn't have been possible without the innovations by Cameron and his crew. Cameron intends to develop those aspects further.

[revgen]

2020 is still 3 years away. Anything can happen from now until then.

[8traxrule]

I still don't get all the *****ing from people about the glasses being an inconvenience- they don't even bother me on top of regular glasses.