Terrible Sequels being ignored and redone.....

[OneWayFilms]

Wow. Right on the heels of announcing another sequel to Halloween, which seems to be completely ignoring anything past part 2 in the Halloween filmography.....

....James Cameron just announced that the upcoming Terminator sequel will ALSO be a direct sequel to the first two films and will completely ignore the other Terminator films in the filmography. “This is a continuation of the story from ‘Terminator 1’ and ‘Terminator 2,’ Cameron says. “And we’re pretending the other films were a bad dream. Or an alternate timeline, which is permissible in our multi-verse.” It’s not surprising — in fact, it more or less backs up what Arnold Schwarzenegger said recently about ‘Genisys’ essentially being ignored, a shame for the one person who wanted to know how that film’s cliffhanger would be resolved.

This seems to be a habit with Hollywood....running a franchise into the ground and then all of a sudden...BAM....the whole franchise is complete crap, except the original and MAYBE part 2, so we're redoing it all and pretending nothing else exists. I guess if the films really ARE crap, then maybe fans of the original can be happy to HOPEFULLY get a worthy sequel.

What do YOU think about all these films franchise saga's ignoring several sequels and going with a whole new reboot?

I mean, in MY minds eye, there are SEVERAL sequels that ALREADY simply no longer exist: Rocky 5, Jaws 3 & 4, anything past Amityville Horror 2, Cars 2, The Karate Kid 4, Psycho 4, and SO many more.

What Films Franchise would YOU like to see be remade? What Sequels deserve to be erased from our memories?

[jacobsever]

I really like it, tbh.

If sequels were made, without the original director being involved or consenting...then I think they have full right to revisit their own, original work and expand upon it.

[UltraMario9]

To me, good sequels are canon. Bad ones are not.

[dgoswald]

Opinions about the inherent nature of sequels aside, I'm actually rather liking the idea of dodgy sequels of great film series being ignored in favour of the "proper" continuation of the story as envisaged by the original creator. Of course, issues related to the passage of time when it comes to the actors playing those same characters decades down the line, will take the shine off what would've been amazing sequels had they come about when those actors were at their peak. But I'd rather something than nothing. The cynic in me says it'll never be the same, yet there's always a chance of a surprise.

[Show spoiler]I wonder if we'll ever get an Episode VII by George Lucas in much the same vein, lmao? I kid, TFA fans.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

Opinions about the inherent nature of sequels aside, I'm actually rather liking the idea of dodgy sequels of great film series being ignored in favour of the "proper" continuation of the story as envisaged by the original creator. Of course, issues related to the passage of time when it comes to the actors playing those same characters decades down the line, will take the shine off what would've been amazing sequels had they come about when those actors were at their peak. But I'd rather something than nothing. The cynic in me says it'll never be the same, yet there's always a chance of a surprise.

[Show spoiler]I wonder if we'll ever get an Episode VII by George Lucas in much the same vein, lmao? I kid, TFA fans.

Said it before, but

[Show spoiler]I do seriously wanna see what Lucas had in mind for the sequel trilogy. If they ever publish his notes over the years so we could see his ideas evolve over time, that'd be great. HIGHLY unlikely, but I'd jump on the chance to read something like that.

More on topic -- ignoring bad sequels is always a good idea. I don't think it's a NEW idea, but I'm fine with it. I dunno if there's any franchise I'd totally redo though. Obviously every franchise has its good/bad/ugly, but often we wouldn't get the really good ones unless we had the really bad ones first. And usually even the bad ones tend to have some redeeming qualities if I like the franchise enough.

[DustnBones001]

I don't like this as it has no respect for the subjective nature of art. Now I can understand wanting to do prequels or standalone stories to explain things more such as like Disney did with Rogue One(though I personally never cared for that backstory). But to ignore continuity? Nah I can't get on board with that.

[Doctor Jack]

OP says this seems to be a habit? It's happening 2 maybe 3 times. That is not a habit at all. And if movies want to ignore other movies, it's fine. No one is telling people they need to ignore it. Those movies are still there for your viewing pleasure.

[jacobsever]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

I don't like this as it has no respect for the subjective nature of art. Now I can understand wanting to do prequels or standalone stories to explain things more such as like Disney did with Rogue One(though I personally never cared for that backstory). But to ignore continuity? Nah I can't get on board with that.

Even if the story and continuity has nothing to do with the original director's vision for the characters and story?

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Said it before, but

[Show spoiler]I do seriously wanna see what Lucas had in mind for the sequel trilogy. If they ever publish his notes over the years so we could see his ideas evolve over time, that'd be great. HIGHLY unlikely, but I'd jump on the chance to read something like that.

I wouldn't say it's "highly unlikely." Lucas has published nearly everything related to the making of Star Wars. Early drafts and story conference transcripts for Star Wars and Indiana Jones have been released. And his mentor, Francis Coppola, recently published his entire Godfather notebook. Lucas's Star Wars notebooks could possibly be published as well.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by CinemaBlu

I wouldn't say it's "highly unlikely." Lucas has published nearly everything related to the making of Star Wars. Early drafts and story conference transcripts for Star Wars and Indiana Jones have been released. And his mentor, Francis Coppola, recently published his entire Godfather notebook. Lucas's Star Wars notebooks could possibly be published as well.

I only say unlikely because wouldn't anything Star Wars-related have to go through Disney now? Even if it's just unpublished notes from Lucas.

[gentileschi]

As a viewer, I don't think I'd mind this that much unless it's a franchise I'm heavily invested in; I can see why it makes to do it, especially if the lore got messy with retcons and whatnot. However I can imagine it'd be quite the middle finger to those who worked on the "ignored" instalments.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

Even if the story and continuity has nothing to do with the original director's vision for the characters and story?

The way I see it is if the creator cared so much they would've done the sequel themselves from the beginning. My deeper issue though is that this will only encourage hive like mentality which I want no part of.

Now with that said I'm sort of hypocrite on some level as I would love to see another Tim Burton batman flick with michael keaton. But even then I wouldn't want it to ignore continuity and be only a sequel to the first film. I would want it to be a sequel to Batman Returns.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Yeah, I'm not of fan of all this retconing. Not because I care about canon, but because if you're going to keep on retconing sequels that don't live up to the original, then at that point it makes everything else feel like fan fiction. So the only thing that's canon is the original, or in some cases, the first two films.

[jess1581]

I don't like the idea of retconning... like at all. Both Terminator and Alien movies are a franchise mess and Halloween is about to join them. Those sequels may be hated by you or that guy down the street but there are also those who enjoy them. By ignoring sequels based on bandwagon consensus, you're forcing your opinion on established franchises as if your own perspective is the be all end all of cinematic wisdom. I also agree that it also shit's all over other people's work regardless of personal bias. The last thing we need is snobbery running the show. Like it or not those films were made, and they exist. Reboots and remakes are one thing, but screwing with continuity in an existing canon is bullshit.

[CinemaBlu]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I only say unlikely because wouldn't anything Star Wars-related have to go through Disney now? Even if it's just unpublished notes from Lucas.

Good point. Not sure. Maybe when the current trilogy is over they'll consider it.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Looks like we're now entering an era of seqboots.

[20th Century Boy]

"I know we've been slapping you across the face with bad products and taking your money while claiming they were good products, but we're done doing that now and we're gonna start treating you right. Really. Honestly. Please keep giving us your money no matter what."

[Talleyrand]

It's fine. I don't see why it would matter either way.

That being said, I don't generally harbour much hope that the new sequels will be any better than the original sequels.

[20th Century Boy]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Looks like we're now entering an era of seqboots.

I believe the term is "sea-boot" (see: 5:50)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H18RUB1cxfI

[aiman04]

I thought T6 only ignores Genisys but for a time travel franchise it’s kind of acceptable, with alternate timelines and stuffs.