Now this is what you call batman :)

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by mr peepers

hahaha. are you trying to tell me that you believe a giant tank like batmobile that flies across rooftops is more realistic than the one in the 89 version?

hahaha, you've gotta be kidding me.

First of all, lets agree that any Batmobile is not going to be realistic period.

Secondly, yes I do think the tank is more practical.

The first one in the 89 movie is basically a sports car, I do not see that thing getting past police blockades or really anything. That car is so low to teh ground i dont even see it getting past a speed bump.

The tank was built as a "bridging vehicle" and while neither batmobile is going to be practical in the sense of what we think a car is, I at least believe the tank could do what Batman needs it to do. Did you watch Batman Begins? Did you see everything he had to drive through? Lets even forget the rooftops for a sec (and keep in mind your batmobile literally drove vertically up a rooftop in batman forever), the 89 batmobile would not have been able to get past any of that.

Neither vehicle is realistic to begin with, but at least the tank makes sense that the cops cant stop the tank. Neither is realistic, the tank leans more to the realistic side though.

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Actually it is. The Burton Batmobile was too long to actually do the maneuvers Batman would need to do. They had to use grappling hooks just so the damn thing could turn at a decent speed. The Tumbler can actually do that without grappling hooks. It can go 100 mph. They built the thing with practicality in mind. The only unrealistic thing is flying on rooftops.

+1

[TheZoof]

The 89 Batmobile is the best. It looks like the batmobile should look and that is all that matters for a movie.

I don't mind the tumbler style but definitely not much of a batmobile... does great movie scenes though.

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

The 89 Batmobile is the best. It looks like the batmobile should look and that is all that matters for a movie.

I don't mind the tumbler style but definitely not much of a batmobile... does great movie scenes though.

What does that mean? "looks like the batmobile should look?"

Thats just the image you have from what was probably your first intro to Batman (the animated series or the 89 movie). There have been various versions in the comics, your just used to this one because it was the one that became mainstream. In either case, if your trying to remake a franchise and trying to make it more realistic (which is the primary reason I like the Nolan films), the 89 version has to go.

Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

I thought the Tumbler in Begins/TDK was intended to be an early version of the Batmobile. It's still early in Batman's career. Since the Tumbler was critically damaged in TDK, maybe the next model he comes up with will be sleeker.

I like the way you think.

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

I don't know. I feel that the Batmobile out of the old is cool for the '60s, the Burtonmobile for the '80s and '90s while the Tumbler is suited for today. Modernisation happens and even though I wasn't a fan of the Tumbler at first, I just accepted it for what it is.

So true, I mean if they just kept the original version (the 60s one), can you imagine that?

Or better yet, can you imagine the 89 batmobile in Batman Begins? Rewatch the chase scenes and tell me you wouldnt laugh if that clumsy model wasbeing used instead.

[mr peepers]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Actually it is. The Burton Batmobile was too long to actually do the maneuvers Batman would need to do. They had to use grappling hooks just so the damn thing could turn at a decent speed. The Tumbler can actually do that without grappling hooks. It can go 100 mph. They built the thing with practicality in mind. The only unrealistic thing is flying on rooftops.

flying on rooftops, being able to plow through concrete medians on highways without explosives in batman begins, being able to transform into a bat motorcycle or whatever in dark knight by using the front two wheels somehow....

the new tumbler is definitely "cool," i'll certainly agree with that. but in terms of how realistic the capabilities and actions of the tumbler are in comparison to '89 batmobile, the '89 takes the cake.

yeah, the '89 was quite long and i'm sure was hard to maneuver on its own. but at least they realized that and showed the use of grappling hooks to make sharp corners and such. if you or anyone else here is able to put the scene in slow motion when the tumbler becomes the batcycle or whatever, and explain to me how THAT is done in a realistic manner, i'm all ears.

i do, however, agree with the comment about modernization and the evolution of technology and its capabilities in relation to the timeline the movies were shot in. in '89, im sure the batmobile seemed a bit far fetched for that generation. but to me, i think the tumbler is even more far fetched for this generation.

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

Lets even forget the rooftops for a sec (and keep in mind your batmobile literally drove vertically up a rooftop in batman forever), the 89 batmobile would not have been able to get past any of that.

i should have been more specific, im talking primarily about the "burtonmobile" from batman and batman returns. i could barely sit through any other god awful reincarnation made after those two (besides begins and dark knoght of course).

[P@t_Mtl]

Sorry too everyone but Batman is not Christian Bale or Michael Keaton, neither Val Killmer or George Clooney. The real Batman will always be :

Adam West

[Jim Morrison]

Pah, you can keep your Burton films, this is what you call Batman....

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[Kynch]

You guys make me want to buy them now. :P

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by mr peepers

flying on rooftops, being able to plow through concrete medians on highways without explosives in batman begins, being able to transform into a bat motorcycle or whatever in dark knight by using the front two wheels somehow....

the new tumbler is definitely "cool," i'll certainly agree with that. but in terms of how realistic the capabilities and actions of the tumbler are in comparison to '89 batmobile, the '89 takes the cake.

yeah, the '89 was quite long and i'm sure was hard to maneuver on its own. but at least they realized that and showed the use of grappling hooks to make sharp corners and such. if you or anyone else here is able to put the scene in slow motion when the tumbler becomes the batcycle or whatever, and explain to me how THAT is done in a realistic manner, i'm all ears.

i do, however, agree with the comment about modernization and the evolution of technology and its capabilities in relation to the timeline the movies were shot in. in '89, im sure the batmobile seemed a bit far fetched for that generation. but to me, i think the tumbler is even more far fetched for this generation.




i should have been more specific, im talking primarily about the "burtonmobile" from batman and batman returns. i could barely sit through any other god awful reincarnation made after those two (besides begins and dark knoght of course).

You need to watch the Batman Begins special features. A vast majority of the stunts with it in that film were real, INCLUDING the part where it goes through the concrete median without explosives. The Batpod transformation in TDK was completely unrealistic, but pretty cool nonetheless. No less realistic than the "shields" that are on the Batmobile in B89 or how it transforms into a speeding bullet in Batman Returns (forgot about that one, didn't you?).

[perfectdark]

sory due your on your own for this one. The batman series has always been unrealistic and this new Christian bale series is the most realistic (as realistic as it can ever be) The batmobile makes perfect sense as a tank and not a stupid car.... the armour and the reasoning behind batman this time makes great sense.

Love it

[andy86i]

can we quit arguing and more with the screenccaps?

[Teabaggins]

so can we get a PQ AQ review by Op for Batman 1989 on blu?

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by Jim Morrison

Pah, you can keep your Burton films, this is what you call Batman....

Finally, this is what I have been waiting for, the best Batman movie ever. That's right...I said it.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

LOL you cant get used to Bale as Batman? I cant get used to Keaton as Batman. He is just so short and non threatening. And don't get me started on Nicholson's Joker, its like a kids movie villian and after seeing Ledger's Joker I can never go back to this cheesy version. And I love Nicholson as an actor, just think his Joker was terrible and seeing the character done so well just makes this original performance worse.

Nicholson's portrayal is more true to the source. The personality, anyway. He mixes humor well, yet TDK's Joker is not all that funny at all.

Ideally, a more brutal form is true to form, but the direction that TDK took it was a off mark. It should be more dark and funny, yet brutal, while TDK's was just sadistic, evil, and anarchistic. A compelling character I'll admit (especially since they nailed how the Joker should feel about Batman), but 1989's Joker is more like the character of the comics regardless.

The new Batmobile is supposed to fit in with the whole "realistic" Batman type of movie. And the Batmoblie in your movie isnt practical at all. He needs to be able to get past all the cops and other people chasing him and whatnot.

Do you know why Batman has a tank in Batman Begins? It's not because of what you said. It's inspired by the tank used by the Dark Knight in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns (which, before you attack me, is set in an alternate dystopic future). If not for that, Nolan would not have used a tank in Batman Begins.

Anyway, as you saw in TDK, Batman can get around JUST FINE without a tank. In addition, I think you overlook the apparent usefulness of the "jet propulsion" that the Burton Batmobile has. It might not be able to pancake cop cars but I'd wager that it would be a lot faster than a tank (assuming that the vehicles were real vehicles and not just stunt vehicles).

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

They had to use grappling hooks just so the damn thing could turn at a decent speed.

Did you see Mythbusters? That is not a practical method of turning by any means. I most definitely assure you that no grapple hooks were actually used in that manner, and such a scene being in the movie is for the purpose of being a cool stunt, not a sign that the vehicle can't turn on its own. I don't know if you drive yourself, but ALL vehicles have an innate inability to make sharp turns at high speeds. This is because your forward momentum is at odds with the wheel's direction relative to your momentum.

The only unrealistic thing is flying on rooftops.

And jumping. I still don't understand how I am supposed to believe that this vehicle can jump itself like that without a ramp or anything. Like, they obviously used ramps and things for the stunts, but the vehicle has a habit of just jumping by itself in the finished film. Like in TDK where Batman is chasing the Joker in the underground. He literally magically jumps the vehicle over another car to catch a rocket to protect Dent.

Oh, and ejecting the Batpod. No way that would be realistically possible on a vehicle like that, nor would they have designed such a feature into that tank considering what its original [fictional] purpose was.

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

Thats just the image you have from what was probably your first intro to Batman (the animated series or the 89 movie). There have been various versions in the comics, your just used to this one because it was the one that became mainstream. In either case, if your trying to remake a franchise and trying to make it more realistic (which is the primary reason I like the Nolan films), the 89 version has to go.

I can admit that your stance is valid, but changing the idea behind Batman's vehicle so drastically was not necessary either. There are precedents in the comic they could have gone to if they did not want something that looked like the Burton-mobile, either of the Schumaker cars or the TAS models.

I mean, look at how The Batman cartoon handled it. I think they did a reasonably good job of it, even if I hate the style of the "bat-tech" they had to put on EVERYTHING. That blue circuit design just looks stupid. But that aside, the design of the vehicle looked great, combining modern car aesthetics with simple Bat symbology that runs deep with the vehicle's history.

A vast majority of the stunts with it in that film were real, INCLUDING the part where it goes through the concrete median without explosives.

The wall was designed to BREAK AWAY there. A real concrete median would NOT be so easily overcome.

the armour and the reasoning behind batman this time makes great sense.

Normal vehicles can be armored too. Doesn't need to be a tank to stop bullets.

As a final note, I'd like to point out that I am not in favor of merely rehashing the car from the 1989 film for the new series. I just don't like the idea of giving Batman a tank when a modified car would have been a lot more reasonable. Like, this tank, how is it that this Mr. Reese fellow is the FIRST PERSON to notice it's a Wayne prototype? What about all of the other people who worked on designing it, on building it, others who may have seen it down there in storage. And how could Fox have plausible deniability if he gave the tank to Wayne and then later knew that Batman was using it? And then there's the comic canon. Why couldn't they just have him use a modified car as it has always been in the standard comics (i.e. not alternate future dystopia)? Why did it have to be a custom prototype tank-car?

I would have much rather them did something new, unique, and modern, while still maintaining the idea of it being a car that Batman himself modified. Like, they had this Murciélago in TDK-- Why couldn't they have a slightly modified one of them be the basis for the Batmobile in the first place? Sure, he wouldn't be able to tear down a concrete median, but when has that sort of thing EVER been associated with Batman? He's known as a hero, a brilliant detective, and a skilled fighter; not a deconstructive stunt driver.

ps ive been considering grabbing these films myself. I'm also interested in the quality transfer on this thing, as well as how much it'd cost to order the whole 4 of 'em and ship 'em stateside. Anyone know?

[davidxiphoid]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

To each his own, but Batman Begins and Dark Knight to me are THE Batman movies.

+1

Even before the Nolan Batman movies came out I remember rewatching the Burton Batmans thinking I would still really like them like I had in my early teens and I was amazed at how dated and cheesed out they looked to me afterwards.

Don't get me wrong, I think Burton is a visual genius and I do enjoy some of his movies, But he's more suited towards things like Edward Scissorhands and Betelguese. He is not suited for things like Batman IMO. He's just too quirky for my taste.

[Kaiju]

Christian Bale is the best Batman ever.

[stevenevermind]

Hi there, 1st post heh

Just a quick question for anyone who's got this today, can you confirm if the Prince music videos are in HD or SD?

Cheers

[Bluballs31]

i think younger teens who didnt grow up with the older batmans might not enjoy them. I am in my late 20s and grew up on Burtons batman and that is why I will always enjoy them.

Waiting on all 4 batman flicks to arrive to me

[Barbie-Shrimp]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

To each his own, but Batman Begins and Dark Knight to me are THE Batman movies.

Dark Knight and Batman(1989) are the only two I would own.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

so can we get a PQ AQ review by Op for Batman 1989 on blu?

Exactly. Who cares which Batman is "better". They all have their time and place.

What we really need to know is whether WB has done A/V justice to the classic Burton BATMAN film on Blu...

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Exactly. Who cares which Batman is "better". They all have their time and place.

What we really need to know is whether WB has done A/V justice to the classic Burton BATMAN film on Blu...

Completely agree with this. I own Batman and Batman Returns on DVD and they look like crap. They are flipper discs with widescreen on one side and fullscreen on the other. I am hoping/expecting the Blu-rays will be a huge upgrade over what I currently have.