iSuppli - PS3 costs ~ $450 to build, loses $50 per sale... - Blu-ray Forum

Maximus · 12-23-2008, 09:26 AM

http://www.businessweek.com/techno...+temp_technology

It's actually a bit wrong, they have overestimated the cost of Blu-ray by about $35...

Otherwise they hit it pretty much on the nail, but then again I have been telling you guys this for quite a while now...

Toxa · 12-23-2008, 09:28 AM

Hey

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=77283

AranhaHunter · 12-23-2008, 02:25 PM

iSuppli is incredibly bad, and honestly their estimates are not any better or worse than most others....the only reason I give this any kind of credibility is because of max's confirmation.

xtop · 12-23-2008, 02:37 PM

i didnt see a price on the drive, where you seeing that max? been curious what the blu-ray drive was for awhile

be cool if they could sell us the cell for 46 bucks tho!

Toxa · 12-23-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

iSuppli is incredibly bad, and honestly their estimates are not any better or worse than most others.....

Yeah you're right

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...7&postcount=83

Maximus · 12-23-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xtop

i didnt see a price on the drive, where you seeing that max? been curious what the blu-ray drive was for awhile

be cool if they could sell us the cell for 46 bucks tho!

Heh, sorry, that's in my version!

About the accuracy of the figures, yeah, they aren't great, but they are the best the public is going to get.

I think their teardown will come out in Jan sometime, and people will see the mistakes they have made, but by and large they have got the actual build cost okay. Not great, but just okay.

The problem with the BD drive pricing they used (from what I can tell) is that they have been quoted the price for either a 5x ROM drive or a 4x R/RE drive. Neither of these are in the PS3, it has a very basic 2x ROM drive which is much, much cheaper to produce as the optics can have much higher tolerance to errors.

Rike255 · 12-23-2008, 03:00 PM

So they only lose $15 per sale then Max? Well that's not very much at all!

I'm about to recover the loss of one PS3 for Sony today with my LBP MGS DLC purchase!!!

Entertainment72 · 12-23-2008, 03:33 PM

Not bad for putting blu-ray on the map.

Maximus · 12-23-2008, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

iSuppli is incredibly bad, and honestly their estimates are not any better or worse than most others....the only reason I give this any kind of credibility is because of max's confirmation.

The other problem with all of this is that Sony's BoM is going to be in Yen. So pricing it up in USD was stupid. All of our (much more accurate) estimates are priced up in JPY...

AranhaHunter · 12-23-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxa

Yeah you're right

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...7&postcount=83

I'm still banned there until beginning of Jan, but I can guess they're already calling iSuppli out.

AranhaHunter · 12-23-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

The other problem with all of this is that Sony's BoM is going to be in Yen. So pricing it up in USD was stupid. All of our (much more accurate) estimates are priced up in JPY...

If the yen wasn't so strong, I think a price cut would've happened already.

Maximus · 12-23-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

I'm still banned there until beginning of Jan, but I can guess they're already calling iSuppli out.

"iSuppli: PS3 costs $448.73 to build according to these numbers we found in our ass..."

duckroll renamed the title...

Septimus Prime · 12-23-2008, 08:39 PM

NeoGAF is such a pain to read. Like, it actually pisses me off just reading about anything there, so I never post, despite having an account.

Maximus · 12-23-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

NeoGAF is such a pain to read. Like, it actually pisses me off just reading about anything there, so I never post, despite having an account.

Really?

I find it quite funny watching the retards go back and forth, and the fanboy tears are always funny when the Wii sells well every month!

Plus the official threads are untouchable. I mean have you seen the Resistance 2 thread! BruceLeeRoy is the grandmaster. How about MGS4!

Rike255 · 12-23-2008, 08:48 PM

I hate watching fanboys argue, it's so annoying.

That's why I try to stay on sites with more one sided populations, or perhaps more mature users when I want serious conversation (opposite of GameFAQS).

Here, we don't get much talk about the Wii and 360, but that's fine with me because it also limits the fanboy arguing.

Septimus Prime · 12-23-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Really?

I find it quite funny watching the retards go back and forth, and the fanboy tears are always funny when the Wii sells well every month!

Plus the official threads are untouchable. I mean have you seen the Resistance 2 thread! BruceLeeRoy is the grandmaster. How about MGS4!

I think it's more funny when it happens on more lax forums, where profanity is generally allowed because then you get to see them fling around personal insults and just straight trolling up threads, but on GAF, everyone thinks he's an intellectual, and I find it most annoying when dumb people try to act that way and when regular people act like having an account there means they have insider connections with the industry and stuff.

AranhaHunter · 12-23-2008, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Really?

I find it quite funny watching the retards go back and forth, and the fanboy tears are always funny when the Wii sells well every month!

Plus the official threads are untouchable. I mean have you seen the Resistance 2 thread! BruceLeeRoy is the grandmaster. How about MGS4!

I can only imagine how big the Killzone 2 Official Thread will be....the Nov/Dec media unveiling was already at 9k posts earlier this month.

Papi4baby · 12-23-2008, 09:29 PM

I thought Sony would be breaking out even, or making some money from the PS3 by now. I guess now we know why they wont lower the price. Not that i think they need to, with the most advance console out there you got to pay to play baby

xtop · 12-23-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Papi4baby

I thought Sony would be breaking out even, or making some money from the PS3 by now. I guess now we know why they wont lower the price. Not that i think they need to, with the most advance console out there you got to pay to play baby

they are breaking even. thread title is a bit misleading

edit: the browser hung when i posted this..nearly 15 min ago and now its just posting

ussrelativity · 12-24-2008, 08:09 AM

I thought the costs were down to $400 back in January. I remember reading an article about that earlier this year.

Factoring in the 65nm RSX, and the coming 45nm Cell, the costs should have been even lower. Was I wrong?

12-23-2008, 09:26 AM	#1
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	iSuppli - PS3 costs ~ $450 to build, loses $50 per sale... http://www.businessweek.com/techno...+temp_technology It's actually a bit wrong, they have overestimated the cost of Blu-ray by about $35... Otherwise they hit it pretty much on the nail, but then again I have been telling you guys this for quite a while now...

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Toxa Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Opera Garnier Home Theater Gallery:110 Blu-ray collection:311 Blu-ray reviews:1	Hey https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=77283

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AranhaHunter Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Trading Score:1	iSuppli is incredibly bad, and honestly their estimates are not any better or worse than most others....the only reason I give this any kind of credibility is because of max's confirmation.

12-23-2008, 02:37 PM	#4
xtop Blu-ray Count Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Trading Score:3	i didnt see a price on the drive, where you seeing that max? been curious what the blu-ray drive was for awhile be cool if they could sell us the cell for 46 bucks tho!

12-23-2008, 03:00 PM	#7
Rike255 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:AB, Canada PSNetwork: Rike255 Home Theater Gallery:44 Blu-ray collection:57	So they only lose $15 per sale then Max? Well that's not very much at all! I'm about to recover the loss of one PS3 for Sony today with my LBP MGS DLC purchase!!!

12-23-2008, 03:33 PM	#8
Entertainment72 Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Fort Myers, FL Blu-ray collection:44 Blu-ray reviews:1	Not bad for putting blu-ray on the map.

12-23-2008, 08:39 PM	#13
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	NeoGAF is such a pain to read. Like, it actually pisses me off just reading about anything there, so I never post, despite having an account.

12-23-2008, 08:48 PM	#15
Rike255 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:AB, Canada PSNetwork: Rike255 Home Theater Gallery:44 Blu-ray collection:57	I hate watching fanboys argue, it's so annoying. That's why I try to stay on sites with more one sided populations, or perhaps more mature users when I want serious conversation (opposite of GameFAQS). Here, we don't get much talk about the Wii and 360, but that's fine with me because it also limits the fanboy arguing.

12-23-2008, 09:29 PM	#18
Papi4baby Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:That man from Nantucket Blu-ray collection:32	I thought Sony would be breaking out even, or making some money from the PS3 by now. I guess now we know why they wont lower the price. Not that i think they need to, with the most advance console out there you got to pay to play baby

12-24-2008, 08:09 AM	#20
ussrelativity Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007	I thought the costs were down to $400 back in January. I remember reading an article about that earlier this year. Factoring in the 65nm RSX, and the coming 45nm Cell, the costs should have been even lower. Was I wrong?

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