4K UHDs that look worse than their BD counterparts?

[ROSS.T.G.]

Expendables 3. RUN

[ROSS.T.G.]

^no

[maverick22]

Originally Posted by fourkillmaster

Starship Troopers has so much grain and not the good kind like in Saving Pvt Ryan but the kind that looks like those little floaters you catch out of the corner of your eye except they are all over the damn screen.

One of my more “grain heavy” movies as well (OLED).

[maverick22]

Originally Posted by fourkillmaster

I've got an OLED as-well, do you think it's something to do with the Tv? I went straight from The Revenant to Starship Troopers and I made this face as soon as I saw the classroom.


https://media.giphy.com/media/LqZvckCv12JzO/giphy.gif

More knowledgeable members could explain it better, but yes, I do believe OLEDs don’t do so well with grain. The classroom scene shows “sparkles” where the grain is. I seriously doubt that’s what directors’ intents are.

[Nostalgic2001]

I have an LG Oled C7 and find some 4K blu rays almost unwatchable because of those swarming mosquitoes. Spider-man, Goodfellas, Underworld and a few others looked awful because of it.

I was watching Men In Black and for the most part I thought it looked amazing but that noise was so distracting. It's most noticeable in white or light areas like clothing, faces and especially skies. Even if I turn down the sharpness and turn up noise and mpeg noise reduction it does soften the image and removes the fine regular noise, but the mosquitoes remain.

Now I'm dreading buying other heavy grain movies. Its ironic that most of the movies I find this issue with are the true 4K ones.

As for the Oblivion debate, I switched back and forth between 4K dolby vision and 1080 and I did notice slightly more detail on the 1080. Every other aspect looked better on the 4K, but isn't it supposed to be 4X sharper than HD. At the very least it should look as sharp.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oblivion: BD is much sharper, but the HDR & WCG smokes the BD. Pick your poison.

Which "poison" are you and others picking?

If the UHD is worth picking up, then I will. So, if a guest wants to see Oblivion at its best, all things considered, then do you screen the blu or the UHD?

[Nostalgic2001]

Originally Posted by jh901

Which "poison" are you and others picking?

If the UHD is worth picking up, then I will. So, if a guest wants to see Oblivion at its best, all things considered, then do you screen the blu or the UHD?

Both, you let them watch the blu ray first and tell them "alright, now try to remember all that detail you just watched and use your mind to integrate it with this HDR and WCG you're about to watch"

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Nostalgic2001

Both, you let them watch the blu ray first and tell them "alright, now try to remember all that detail you just watched and use your mind to integrate it with this HDR and WCG you're about to watch"

Pick one and only one. Which do you go for?

[Nostalgic2001]

Originally Posted by jh901

Pick one and only one. Which do you go for?

If I had to chose one, I would go with the blu, because I feel can manipuate the brightness, contrast and color to somewhat resemble the UHD, but I cant improve detail. But how much can be attributed to the upscaling by the TV and/or player? A good upscale on a blu ray minimizes the benefits of the UHD counterpart.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by fourkillmaster

Starship Troopers has so much grain and not the good kind like in Saving Pvt Ryan but the kind that looks like those little floaters you catch out of the corner of your eye except they are all over the damn screen.

It actually looks fantastic if you have the right screen and set up.

[Tns49]

We have a new contender.
Terminator 2.

Glad its not actually my own copy.

Previously I think it was either Expendables 3 or Goodfellas.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Tns49

We have a new contender.
Terminator 2.

No. It's hella flawed but still better than any BD version.

Goodfellas.

Again, no.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No. It's hella flawed but still better than any BD version.

So the people going on and on for dozens and dozens of pages about how bad the T2 UHD looks are wrong?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

So the people going on and on for dozens and dozens of pages about how bad the T2 UHD looks are wrong?

If they think the Blu-ray looks better yes.
It still has more detail despite the DNR, and the colors are more accurate to the theatrical.

And it is possible to look bad and still look better since T2 is an ancient red-tinted transfer.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If they think the Blu-ray looks better yes.
It still has more detail despite the DNR, and the colors are more accurate to the theatrical.

And it is possible to look bad and still look better since T2 is an ancient red-tinted transfer.

Colors are NOT more accurate. It was never teal and orange, the hospital scenes were never green and laser colors have been altered etc. The blu skews red, but at least the other colors are more accurate.

Detail is not the be-all-end-all of an image. The 2015 blu-ray still bests the UHD in every way, sorry.

Originally Posted by Nothing371

So the people going on and on for dozens and dozens of pages about how bad the T2 UHD looks are wrong?

No, they are spot on. This UHD is a travesty in every sense of the word and shouldn't be supported.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Colors are NOT more accurate. It was never teal and orange, the hospital scenes were never green and laser colors have been altered etc. The blu skews red, but at least the other colors are more accurate.

The UHD is NOT teal and orange. And I saw T2 in a theater recently and the hospital & hallway was most certainly greenish fluorescent.

I also have the disc and watched in a HDR REC2020 display. Screenshots do not tell the entire story.

No, they are spot on. This UHD is a travesty in every sense of the word and shouldn't be supported.

Hyperbole FTL.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The UHD is NOT teal and orange. And I saw T2 in a theater recently and the hospital & hallway was most certainly greenish fluorescent.

I also have the disc and watched in a HDR REC2020 display. Screenshots do not tell the entire story.


Hyperbole FTL.

Nope, and nope. But keep promoting garbage. The DNR is a travesty and the colors look nothing like the film looked theatrically in 1992.

Also, its funny assume I'm going by screenshots only, but just more misinformation on your part.

The blu-ray still looks better than the UHD by a mile.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Nope, and nope. But keep promoting garbage. The DNR is a travesty and the colors look nothing like the film looked theatrically in 1992.

Summer of 1991. And it does. It certainly wasn't red/pink tinted for NTSC/CRT based systems.

Also, its funny assume I'm going by screenshots only, but just more misinformation on your part.

The blu-ray still looks better than the UHD by a mile.

No. It. Does. Not.
Then what display did you watch the entire UHD on?


EDIT: I have the same display and calibration Geoff does. I'll let him take it from here.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5214

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Summer of 1991. And it does. It certainly wasn't red/pink tinted for NTSC/CRT based systems.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No. It. Does. Not.

Unless either of you are sitting in front of the answer print, it's probably best not to bet heavily on precise memories of a theatrical release 27 years gone.

[QuickThumb]

Originally Posted by Nostalgic2001

I have an LG Oled C7 and find some 4K blu rays almost unwatchable because of those swarming mosquitoes. Spider-man, Goodfellas, Underworld and a few others looked awful because of it.

Just curious if you have run your pixel refresher yet? I didn't think I needed to because the tv was new but after I did the picture got noticeably better and less grainy.