When the Wind Blows DVD+Bluray (January 22nd 2018) - Blu-ray Forum

cherbert · 01-03-2018, 03:49 PM

Released January 22nd 2018 by BFI

When the Wind Blows Bluray/DVD Combo from Amazon UK

indisposed · 01-03-2018, 03:56 PM

Bought the Twilight Time Version in the sale around late november... as far as I can tell, the extras are the same apart the Protect and Servive PIF and I'm guessing that's on Youtube... I wonder if there will be any difference in picture quality.

DefLeppard · 01-03-2018, 04:01 PM

Expecting BFI's upcoming version's booklet to carry more information (essay/production history etc) than TT's version.

Ruined · 01-03-2018, 04:19 PM

Really hope this is region free, the audio on the Twilight Time version was horrendous

indisposed · 01-03-2018, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Really hope this is region free, the audio on the Twilight Time version was horrendous

Really? To be honest, I'm yet to watch it ; what's the problem with the sound?

Nice Avatar, btw.

drb124 · 01-03-2018, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by indisposed

Really? To be honest, I'm yet to watch it ; what's the problem with the sound?

Nice Avatar, btw.

I'm not an expert, so I don't know what it is called, but there is a constant echo throughout. Same with Stormy Monday from Arrow FYI.

Ruined · 01-03-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by indisposed

Really? To be honest, I'm yet to watch it ; what's the problem with the sound?

Nice Avatar, btw.

Twilight Time used a 25fps master and botched the audio conversion to 24fps resulting in echoing artifacts throughout the film.

indisposed · 01-03-2018, 06:42 PM

This sucks to hear... oddly enough, I bought Stormy Monday recently, too.

Should I sell both and hope for the best elsewhere? I haven't opened either of them, so I could still get a good price for them.

MechaGodzilla · 01-03-2018, 06:50 PM

Very nice! I've been wanting to see this one.

manicsounds · 01-03-2018, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Really hope this is region free, the audio on the Twilight Time version was horrendous

I have an early copy and it is region locked. I haven't checked the audio issue but will later today.

Ruined · 01-03-2018, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by indisposed

This sucks to hear... oddly enough, I bought Stormy Monday recently, too.

Should I sell both and hope for the best elsewhere? I haven't opened either of them, so I could still get a good price for them.

Stormy Monday is good transfer.

Most TT are excellent they just blew it on when the wind blows.

Ruined · 01-03-2018, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by manicsounds

I have an early copy and it is region locked. I haven't checked the audio issue but will later today.

Guess I'll stick with my Amazon DVD r and hope kino gets it.

indisposed · 01-04-2018, 06:45 AM

Looks like I'll be buying the BFI disc to make sure... good job I didn't crack open the T.T over Christmas (I had thought about it), because this is the perfect film to watch over the holidays.

In all seriousness, I've never seen When the Wind Blows, but it's been a curio for me since seeing the CBS Fox big box in the video shop as a kid... about 30 years ago... damn, time flies. Love the David Bowie theme song that went along with it.

beadelf · 01-04-2018, 07:59 AM

love this film! day one for me

the blob · 01-04-2018, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Twilight Time used a 25fps master and botched the audio conversion to 24fps resulting in echoing artifacts throughout the film.

Not sure that was the issue. It sounded more like phasing in the stereo field like the channels weren't properly aligned, so I'm hoping it's not in the supplied master and the BFI won't have the issue. It was definitely bad enough for me to sell the TT version as soon as this was announced.

Ruined · 01-04-2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the blob

Not sure that was the issue. It sounded more like phasing in the stereo field like the channels weren't properly aligned, so I'm hoping it's not in the supplied master and the BFI won't have the issue. It was definitely bad enough for me to sell the TT version as soon as this was announced.

If you take a 25fps master and downconvert the audio to 24fps it will be too short in length unless additional processing is completed.

The processing you can do is either:
1. lower the pitch by 4% which naturally extends time
2. keep pitch constant and extend time via audio processing

Option 1 would have been fine, at worst a little lower pitch (barely noticeable) but in many cases the 25fps audio masters are too high in pitch anyway

Option 2 causes exactly the type of annoying echoing artifacts we hear in the TT disc. Puppet master 2 full moon edition had same exact problem BTW.

the blob · 01-04-2018, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruined

If you take a 25fps master and downconvert the audio to 24fps it will be too short in length unless additional processing is completed.

The processing you can do is either:
1. lower the pitch by 4% which naturally extends time
2. keep pitch constant and extend time via audio processing

Option 1 would have been fine, at worst a little lower pitch (barely noticeable) but in many cases the 25fps audio masters are too high in pitch anyway

Option 2 causes exactly the type of annoying echoing artifacts we hear in the TT disc. Puppet master 2 full moon edition had same exact problem BTW.

I'm aware of potential artifacts in digital audio as I work with it for a living but technology and time stretching algorithms these days are more than capable of handling such a small percentage without causing anything so extreme.

The same exact type of flanging/phasing was also present on the '84 Entertainment release of Seven Notes In Black on both the BD English track at 24fps and the included PAL DVD at 25ps.

Ruined · 01-04-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the blob

I'm aware of potential artifacts in digital audio as I work with it for a living but technology and time stretching algorithms these days are more than capable of handling such a small percentage without causing anything so extreme.

The same exact type of flanging/phasing was also present on the '84 Entertainment release of Seven Notes In Black on both the BD English track at 24fps and the included PAL DVD at 25ps.

Oddly enough the DVD-R at Amazon of when the wind blows does not have the audio issue and the video isn't that much different than the Blu ray as the source material has little high frequency information.

the blob · 01-04-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Oddly enough the DVD-R at Amazon of when the wind blows does not have the audio issue and the video isn't that much different than the Blu ray as the source material has little high frequency information.

The English audio on the Severin DVD of Seven Notes was totally fine too. I'm hoping that any issues on this were introduced at the encoding stage and not present on any newer master that is being handed out.

thinredline · 01-04-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the blob

Not sure that was the issue. It sounded more like phasing in the stereo field like the channels weren't properly aligned, so I'm hoping it's not in the supplied master and the BFI won't have the issue. It was definitely bad enough for me to sell the TT version as soon as this was announced.

It could also be that the final audio mix was put on top of the iso score/FX track, couldn't it?
From what I understand, the dialogue hadn't had any problem, so this makes sense.

01-03-2018, 03:56 PM	#2
indisposed Power Member Member since:Oct 2010 Location:South Wales, U.K	Bought the Twilight Time Version in the sale around late november... as far as I can tell, the extras are the same apart the Protect and Servive PIF and I'm guessing that's on Youtube... I wonder if there will be any difference in picture quality.

01-03-2018, 04:01 PM	#3
DefLeppard Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Mar 2014 4K collection:204 Blu-ray collection:2240 DVD collection:16 Trading Score:9	Expecting BFI's upcoming version's booklet to carry more information (essay/production history etc) than TT's version.

01-03-2018, 04:19 PM	#4
Ruined Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:1	Really hope this is region free, the audio on the Twilight Time version was horrendous

01-03-2018, 06:42 PM	#8
indisposed Power Member Member since:Oct 2010 Location:South Wales, U.K	This sucks to hear... oddly enough, I bought Stormy Monday recently, too. Should I sell both and hope for the best elsewhere? I haven't opened either of them, so I could still get a good price for them.

01-03-2018, 06:50 PM	#9
MechaGodzilla Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2012 Location:Sweden 4K collection:96 Blu-ray collection:660 DVD collection:234	Very nice! I've been wanting to see this one.

01-04-2018, 06:45 AM	#13
indisposed Power Member Member since:Oct 2010 Location:South Wales, U.K	Looks like I'll be buying the BFI disc to make sure... good job I didn't crack open the T.T over Christmas (I had thought about it), because this is the perfect film to watch over the holidays. In all seriousness, I've never seen When the Wind Blows, but it's been a curio for me since seeing the CBS Fox big box in the video shop as a kid... about 30 years ago... damn, time flies. Love the David Bowie theme song that went along with it.

01-04-2018, 07:59 AM	#14
beadelf Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:London 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 64	love this film! day one for me

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