Hellraiser Trilogy Black Box (Turbine)

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

Don't forget the isolated sound tracks.
(That's the one feature I'm going to miss the most from my Arrow set.)

Those aren't the isolated score tracks but the music and sound effects tracks. Meaning that the score will have been edited and will have volume changes or other post processing done.

It would have been so much cooler had they done an actual isolated score, especially given for part 1 the recording sessions exist.

Still great to see Christopher Young's interview from the old Anchorbay set ported over. Though he is featured in the lenghty Leviathan docu I don't care about Coil and this was a good featurette.

The fact that part 3 is corrected, this set is more uncut and despite some shoddy design, the boxset does reflect the original art and design more, I am definitely interested in an upgrade!

[shocker2]

Comparison "Hellraiser" German BD Studio Canal 2011 - German Remastered BD Turbine 2017:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...6832/picture:3

[LRSVDR]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

Those aren't the isolated score tracks but the music and sound effects tracks.

I know. I never claimed otherwise.

[TheHutt]

Here the English translation of the version comparison of Hellraiser 1:

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=288682

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

I know. I never claimed otherwise.

Just wanted to make sure that distinction is known before people get excited about more unreleased music being available. These are arguably consistantly and thematically the best scores of any horror franchise (up to part 4) and it's a shame every time the soundtracks get reissued, it's the same album presentations.

[RickWJ324]

Is this sold out? I visited the site but don't see an option to put it in my cart. Looking to purchase it and ship to USA.

[shocker2]

It's rated 18+ so age verification is needed.
I guess you'll have to do that first before purchasing.
Maybe just send a message:
https://www.rakete-shop.de/contacts
or
SERVICE@RAKETE-SHOP.DE
Please note:
The shop is closed til 02 January 2018.

[RickWJ324]

Thanks. How exactly do they verify age? I have sent a message. Hopefully I will hear back soon.

[shocker2]

I only can tell about Germany.
One way is the "PostIdent Procedure".
You go to a post office, fill a form, the clerk checks your ID, verifies the age and sends the data to the shop.
Another way (e.g. amazon.de does this): The postman will check your ID at the delivery.
Don't know how they handle it with non-German customers.

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by shocker2

Don't know how they handle it with non-German customers.

Usually they ask you to email a proof of ID to confirm you are an adult before they'll process the order. It's kinda awkward having to send a scan of your ID but I get that they have to do it this way as it's the law in Germany.

[turbine]

Originally Posted by shocker2

I only can tell about Germany.
One way is the "PostIdent Procedure".
You go to a post office, fill a form, the clerk checks your ID, verifies the age and sends the data to the shop.
Another way (e.g. amazon.de does this): The postman will check your ID at the delivery.
Don't know how they handle it with non-German customers.

We (Rakete) use age verification for delivery; it's the only way to make sure this very shipment is only handed over to an adult - it's the law in Germany. The rest is just taking shortcuts (e.g. asking for a scanned ID; also comes with the issue that IDs are not meant to be scanned or duplicated in any way).

I will check re shipping outside of the EU; might be the ID check is then void anyway.

We meant to have the int'l shop up until Christmas. In the meantime, please send an email to service@rakete-shop.de and ask to forward your request to Christian. I'll get back to everyone interested via email.

Cheers!

[MrBrown]

What happened to Hellraiser III?
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=112...5&i=13&l=0&a=0
(and all other comparisons between Turbine and Arrow)

[wesslan]

Arrow framed different, too much to the right but wins PQ on Hellbound and III Turbines Hellraiser looks amazing even with lower bitrate. The others not so much compared.

[Monroville]

Originally Posted by MrBrown

What happened to Hellraiser III?
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=112...5&i=13&l=0&a=0
(and all other comparisons between Turbine and Arrow)

I find it interesting how the Studio Canal release of HELLRAISER II is on par with the Image release, yet their HELLRAISER III blu-ray has much better detail than either the Arrow or Turbine.. and it not only has proper framing but it has more picture information. Yet the Turbine HELLRAISER II has less detail than the Arrow release, despite coming from the same source (?).

All Turbine had to do was port over Arrow's HELLRAISER II, and color correct the Studjo Canal blu to the Arrow color timing, and this would have been THE set to get.

[wesslan]

Well I my opinion the studio canal is boosted to hell on H3, watch the candles and the light behind him so not best for me.

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a...=65311&i=9&l=1

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Well I my opinion the studio canal is boosted to hell on H3, watch the candles and the light behind him so not best for me.

http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a...=65311&i=9&l=1

Not to mention sharpened up the yin-yang as well.

[LRSVDR]

Somehow they managed to make Hellbound look worse while using a more dynamic and higher bitrate.

III is sharpened and has edge ringing like mad.

But they managed to make Hellraiser look sharper with a lower but dynamic bitrate.

WTF!

Hellraiser makes me question Arrows encoding talent for the first time here.
The only explanation I can come up with is that Arrow used very slight DNR since it is extremely grainy,
and we all know how some people think about grain from the Arrow thread.

[P-Rock]

Hellraiser Arrow still looks extremely grainy. It's almost like Turbine added an artifical layer of grain to it.

Anyway, you don't notice any dnr in motion on the Arrow release. I don't believe Turbine's version is all natural grain.

[LRSVDR]

There's definitively more detail to the Turbine.

Look at the text on the scroll hanging on the wall:
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=...7&l=0&i=2&go=1

And the super zoom on the photographs here reveals some extra specs of grain and details that make me suspect the Arrow has some slight filtering, but that might just be the compression of the encode.
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=...7&l=0&i=2&go=1

But I got to admit the Turbine grain does look a bit suspicious.

[turbine]

Originally Posted by MrBrown

What happened to Hellraiser III?
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=112...5&i=13&l=0&a=0
(and all other comparisons between Turbine and Arrow)

Turbine release is reframed to omit the part of the negative which would be masked on a theatrical copy as it's reserved for the optical track. Arrow almost shows full aperture. Look at the effects, which do stop at some virtual barrier at the left hand side. Everything from there on to the left should not be visible. It also means that you can see Doug Bradley kneeing in the statue wearing blue jeans and sneakers. Trendy guy, this Pinhead dude.

This is a capture a few seconds before or after the camera has shown the actor. You can clearly see the set on the left:
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a...=65304&i=2&l=0

Originally Posted by Monroville

Yet the Turbine HELLRAISER II has less detail than the Arrow release, despite coming from the same source (?).

All Turbine had to do was port over Arrow's HELLRAISER II, and color correct the Studjo Canal blu to the Arrow color timing, and this would have been THE set to get.

1. Apparently the Arrow Release of HR2 has been sharpened. We have used the very same source (AppleProRes master; provided by Arrow). Since we didn't sharpen or blur, that leaves us with only one explanation...

2. HR2 on our copy of the Studio Canal release looks like an upscale. Are we talking about the same release?

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

Somehow they managed to make Hellbound look worse while using a more dynamic and higher bitrate.

No, they made it look like the master delivered without sharpening it. If you ramp up sharpening, it'll look the same. It was not our intention to add "sharpness" during mastering. It's artificial.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

III is sharpened and has edge ringing like mad.

To some extent, yes. But it also has the correct framing, and is sharper in general (see titles). This is why we do have both transfers on the disc.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

But they managed to make Hellraiser look sharper with a lower but dynamic bitrate.

WTF!

Again, no sharpening or filtering applied. We just used a very special encoder to keep the texture of the grain.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

Hellraiser makes me question Arrows encoding talent for the first time here.
The only explanation I can come up with is that Arrow used very slight DNR since it is extremely grainy,
and we all know how some people think about grain from the Arrow thread.

Possible, but don't know. Keep in mind that encoders _do_ pre-filter as part of the encoding process, so without applying DNR, you will get different results with different encoders.

Originally Posted by P-Rock

Hellraiser Arrow still looks extremely grainy. It's almost like Turbine added an artifical layer of grain to it.

Nope. Straight from the source.

Originally Posted by P-Rock

Anyway, you don't notice any dnr in motion on the Arrow release. I don't believe Turbine's version is all natural grain.

Not much I can't say then, right? If it's about believing, we're not looking at facts.

Originally Posted by LRSVDR

There's definitively more detail to the Turbine.
But I got to admit the Turbine grain does look a bit suspicious.

It's suspicious that our release seems to show more detail?! Would it be bad if it did (it actually does)? Is there a rule of thumb why it should not?