Ghost in the Shell / Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence (1995-2004) 4K UHD

[OutOfBoose]

Slightly less grain in comparison to UHD or old BD?

[Vangeli]

The old BD I was comparing to. New BD appears to be the same source as the UHD.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

The old BD I was comparing to. New BD appears to be the same source as the UHD.

I'm asking because I read that BD and UHD had the same source (5K scan), but were graded separately. HDR master required NR. So I assumed regular BD companion should have more grain?

[Vangeli]

It has grain but the old BD has more. It's definitely not bad though, the old BD looked a little too dirty at times.

[OutOfBoose]

It will be interesting to compare when mine arrives. I wanted UHD to have a bit more grain (similar to Ghibli BDs), but it still looks very nice.

[Dragon Ranger]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

The Blu-ray included with the UHD has been updated with the new UHD master.

- Slightly less grain
- Not stabilized; minor frame wobble similar to UHD
- English audio track is updated from 16-bit to 24-bit

Thank you so much; I haven't gone 4K yet but am looking to start buying the 4K/1080p combo packs of movies to future proof myself.

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

It will be interesting to compare when mine arrives. I wanted UHD to have a bit more grain (similar to Ghibli BDs), but it still looks very nice.

It's not a huge difference but it's definitely the new master.

[Dragon Ranger]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

It's not a huge difference but it's definitely the new master.

I currently have the UK Steelbook so am sure I will notice an improvement.

[JEArgumedo]

As promised, screenshots from the FUNimation 2017 Blu-ray, as close as I could to correspond to andreasy969's shots.

[Show spoiler]

The eyeball shot was a little more difficult to get an exact frame so I took a couple of shots in the neighborhood. There's a prologue on the US Blu-rays that shifts all the timecodes. Unlike andreasy969, I didn't upscale them to 4K. I figured he has his own way of doing it, so I'll just leave a link to download the shots directly. https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...Nh?usp=sharing

I'll try doing the 2008 Blu-ray from Bandai US as well when I have a little more time. Hope these help!

[andreasy969]

Thanks! The frames did not match (except for one of the eye caps), but I just did mine again. EDIT: Oh, and don't bother with the other disc.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/115978

BD left, UHD-BD right (obviously )



So the "compression" sucks here with both indeed.



The UHD looked rather smeared here to me without having any reference and it is indeed. But I also wanted to see the dynamic range of the BD as I thought this scene looked very nice on the UHD (and also does so in comparison imo). (Based on this BD, I think I'd still prefer the smeared BD here btw. - the aliasing isn't nice.)



The eye shot looked very nice to me on the UHD (the colors) which is why I wanted to see a BD cap. (and it really does look very nice to me in comparison - that is, again, at least when compared to this BD)

[Geoff D]

The opening sequence with the flashing police lights (making the grain/noise pulse like mad) looks like balls on both versions, but it's even worse on the UHD. I thought that the UHD pulled down the blacks a bit more when I compared the two alleyway shots above but kept quiet about that, as people would no doubt think I was being all hyperbolic again.

[JEArgumedo]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

Thanks! The frames did not match (except for one of the eye caps), but I just did mine again. EDIT: Oh, and don't bother with the other disc.

Sorry. That prologue at the start made it really hard to just go to the timecode. Had to run to work, so I was in a bit of a hurry when I was capping those.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The opening sequence with the flashing police lights (making the grain/noise pulse like mad) looks like balls on both versions, but it's even worse on the UHD.

Didn't doubt it. Was only posting it "again", because JEArgumedo provided that cap as well.

I thought that the UHD pulled down the blacks a bit more when I compared the two alleyway shots above but kept quiet about that, as people would no doubt think I was being all hyperbolic again.

Nope, that's a very valid and objective statement and it's still crushed @100.

I just watched both in a row (and boy, the second one is not to be watched when you're slightly tired and your concentration is therefore rather low ) and I still liked the pq of part 2 as well.

Other than the beginning, I think I did notice the problems you mentioned in at least one other scene and I think I also saw it somewhere else when I put my projector into its (usually awful) dynamic mode once for test purposes. So maybe it really is more noticeable in HDR. (Extensive grain tends to be a little less extensive via projection as well for ex.)

Originally Posted by JEArgumedo

Sorry. That prologue at the start made it really hard to just go to the timecode. Had to run to work, so I was in a bit of a hurry when I was capping those.

No worries! Really not a problem at all!

[Geoff D]

It's a fact that applying a different EOTF can have unintended results, sometimes it can result in unseen artefacts becoming visible, sometimes it can clean then up. That's why the HDR lady is a tramp.

[kristoffer]

What extras are on the first film? Are they subtitled?

[P-Rock]

according to the caps the UHD also has edge enhancement. Look at those halos!

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/115978

The soft picture on Innocence was intentional.

[Pyoko]

Yeah, I personally don't like the artificial/enhanced look but Qtec's filtered upscale process kind of, almost, works for some very simple, very clean, low-res digital animation:



But that they even tried to use it on something as noisy and complex as Innocence is insanity, and the results speak for themselves, just awful.

[JEArgumedo]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

What extras are on the first film? Are they subtitled?

Just two Japanese trailers on the UHD. No subs.

[Pieter V]

1:

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2:

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[Geoff D]

The mastering metadata for both is 1000/0.005