OLED motion resolution issues - Blu-ray Forum

Drooch · 07-03-2018, 09:58 PM

I want to make the jump from my Kuro plasma to 4K (probably OLED) but I hear that the motion resolution is sub-plasma.

Should I make the jump, or should I wait for the tech to catch up to plasma? Are improvements even on the horizon for 4K?

Thanks

Thorbiddles · 07-03-2018, 10:12 PM

You might want to wait if your Kuro still satisfies you. OLEDs have the best PQ by far in my opinion, but many people coming from plasmas find the motion to not look smooth enough. Each year the tech gets better and cheaper, so waiting has its advantages.

That said, I love my LG 55c6p. I never had a plasma, so motion seems fine to me. Supposedly the motion improved on this year's models, and people say Sony OLEDs have even better motion that LG.

jvonl · 07-03-2018, 10:34 PM

I went from a Kuro to an Oled C7. I watch a lot of racing (Formula 1, Indy, IMSA, and NASCAR), and the motion is fine for all of that. The only issue that I have seen was during the Super Bowl, when on long shots of a long pass the ball turned somewhat translucent. Not that big a fan of football, so no problem for me. I believe that the 2018 Oled's are even better on motion. I'm sure that the longer you wait, the better it gets, but for me the C7 is spectacular!

iliveinparis1006 · 07-04-2018, 12:10 PM

I got an LG OLED 65 C7, two weeks ago. And by reading the forum about display, I have come across a couple of times with people that had the TV calibrated. I like the TV, I've been watching some netflix movies and the picture is good, but some how I believe that it could be better. I haven't play with the picture adjustments in a serious manner. My question for you is that if you believe that the pro calibration is necessary, and if you think that is worth it.

jvonl · 07-04-2018, 01:13 PM

Absolutely! I purchased mine from Robert Zohn at Value Electronics, and left it with him for two weeks so that they could do the break in procedure followed by a total calibration. It is spectacular! As I read about folks adjusting this and that over and over I'm even happier that I did. Now, I never had my Kuro calibrated; I tinkered for several months until I had a picture that I was happy with for the next ten years, so it can be done to some degree on your own. However, I consider calibration a great value not only because of the picture quality, but because of the reduction of stress caused by constantly thinking "What if I try this?" When you can afford to, do it. I believe that you will be very happy with the results. Good luck, and have fun!

NARMAK · 07-06-2018, 11:36 AM

You'd think a tech with instant pixel response would have had perfect motion resolution but guess that's not true at all and we'll have to wait for another future tech to come out that can give us CRT instant and perfect motion, flat panels, bright LED LCD style HDR and perfect blacks like OLED.

Drooch · 08-19-2019, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NARMAK

You'd think a tech with instant pixel response would have had perfect motion resolution but guess that's not true at all and we'll have to wait for another future tech to come out that can give us CRT instant and perfect motion, flat panels, bright LED LCD style HDR and perfect blacks like OLED.

It seems OLED has much poorer motion than plasma. Does anyone know if MLED (micro-LED) will fix this limitation..?

R3P0 · 08-19-2019, 05:19 PM

OLED motion is fine you just need to A buy a good set and B read up on how your set is designed. I have 0 problems with the soap opera effect on my OLED TV because I went into each individual input or setting and turned it off. My Sony A9F looks just as good as my plasma did motion wise but the picture is more crisp and vibrant. On My Sony there were settings for HDR and HDX separate as well as HDMI 1-4 so this had to be changed on all 6. I would never buy a regular LED or LCD TV but OLED I am definitely sold on.

panasonicst60 · 08-19-2019, 06:27 PM

I had two plasmas before I went oled. I have never owned a kuro but I have a close friend that has had four or five of them perfectly calibrated. The biggest advantage the Kuro has to oled are the colors on the kuro are extremely accurate. Motion resolution is a tad better than the oled but not by much. I do hope to see future improvement in this department as well. With that said, regardless of what all the kuro lovers say. 4k hdr is where it's at, end of story. Once you go 4k hdr you'll never go back. 1080p looks dull and lifeless when compared to 4k hdr on a oled. A perfect transfer 4k uhd disc looks astonishing. Do it, you won't regret it.

pbz06 · 08-19-2019, 09:13 PM

Don't blame OLED for showing 24fps content with its inherent stutter.

oddbox83 · 08-19-2019, 10:49 PM

The issue is that it has better motion natively due to the response rate. That can make 24p appear very juddery to some. Slight motion blur on older technology hid this. Cinema does it by showing each frame at least twice. LG's black frame insertion is supposed to mimic this but IMHO looks awful on TVs so I never use it.

Shouldn't motion on OLED and Plasma be very close to each other though? I suppose it depends if they fixed the phosphor trailing issue from earlier sets.

I never got on with plasma personally anyway. I just didn't like the look of it, it hurt my eyes in a same way single-chip DLP does. I don't know why that would be, but it is what it is. You can't have a TV that gives you headaches. It's been moot to me for some time anyway since Plasma TV has been unavailable in the UK for a while now.

LordoftheRings · 08-20-2019, 12:06 AM

All you need to know about OLED in the year 2019 ...
• https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1566209962

Sony's video processor chip seems to be doing the Motion process very slightly better, but the margin is insignificant overall. For all the 4K HDR OLED advantages over Kuro plasma TVs, this year's models or next year models are a good time to up the cinema ante experience @ home, IMHO.

John The Grudge · 10-11-2019, 03:29 PM

Am I missing something because I gather OLED has near perfect motion resolution. The problem is that 24fps is stuttery and the OLED's lack of motion blur makes this all too obvious. Without soap opera effect I think it's impossible to be better than OLED.

Personally I think sticking to 24fps for films and TV shows is dumb. When the camera pans it looks like crap on even the best TVs. I think a game running at 120fps would really demonstrate OLED superiority when it comes to motion.

singhcr · 10-11-2019, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John The Grudge

Am I missing something because I gather OLED has near perfect motion resolution. The problem is that 24fps is stuttery and the OLED's lack of motion blur makes this all too obvious. Without soap opera effect I think it's impossible to be better than OLED.

Personally I think sticking to 24fps for films and TV shows is dumb. When the camera pans it looks like crap on even the best TVs. I think a game running at 120fps would really demonstrate OLED superiority when it comes to motion.

The motion blur on OLED and/or many LCD sets is something you get used to, but doesn't mean that it's any good. The Sony ZD9 had notably better motion resolution than my LG C8 did, but neither hold up to older technologies.

I recently boxed up my VT60 Panasonic plasma to put into storage as a spare TV. Before I did so I watched some Westworld on it (BD) and the lack of motion blur compared to my otherwise excellent LG C8 was mind blowing. Same with watching movies on my CRT PC monitor.

John The Grudge · 10-24-2019, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singhcr

The motion blur on OLED and/or many LCD sets is something you get used to, but doesn't mean that it's any good. The Sony ZD9 had notably better motion resolution than my LG C8 did, but neither hold up to older technologies.

I recently boxed up my VT60 Panasonic plasma to put into storage as a spare TV. Before I did so I watched some Westworld on it (BD) and the lack of motion blur compared to my otherwise excellent LG C8 was mind blowing. Same with watching movies on my CRT PC monitor.

I gather OLED tvs don't have a motion blur issue. You're just seeing 24fps content with it's inherent stutter and no motion blur to smooth it out. 24fps isn't supposed to be smooth.

I think if you play 120fps content on your C8 you'll see the perfect smooth motion the tv is capable of.

oddbox83 · 10-24-2019, 12:05 PM

Has anyone else noticed what looks like an intermittent dropped frame on 50i content after the latest firmware update? I'm using a B8.

My Oppo is sending the TV a 2160p50 upscaled signal for clarity on what I'm feeding the screen.

SuperFlyHighGuy · 10-25-2019, 01:58 AM

So motion isn't necessarily better on an OLED than other LEDs? I finally bought a 4K tv cause my HD CRT has color issues now, but the motion is so horrible I'm really considering taking it back.

Can't afford an OLED now, so should I just wait and save up for a few more years or live with the terrible motion issues and hope I get used to it?

oddbox83 · 10-25-2019, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyHighGuy

So motion isn't necessarily better on an OLED than other LEDs? I finally bought a 4K tv cause my HD CRT has color issues now, but the motion is so horrible I'm really considering taking it back.

Can't afford an OLED now, so should I just wait and save up for a few more years or live with the terrible motion issues and hope I get used to it?

So you jumped from CRT to OLED?

Yes, you'll have a period of adjustment. CRT had a very different motion display to all flat panels.

pbz06 · 10-25-2019, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyHighGuy

So motion isn't necessarily better on an OLED than other LEDs? I finally bought a 4K tv cause my HD CRT has color issues now, but the motion is so horrible I'm really considering taking it back.

Can't afford an OLED now, so should I just wait and save up for a few more years or live with the terrible motion issues and hope I get used to it?

What TV did you buy?

This link has some good info on what you may or may not be seeing:
https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

SuperFlyHighGuy · 10-25-2019, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oddbox83

So you jumped from CRT to OLED?

Yes, you'll have a period of adjustment. CRT had a very different motion display to all flat panels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbz06

What TV did you buy?

This link has some good info on what you may or may not be seeing:
https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

I bought a Vizio M558G1, had it two days now. The motion blur is much more pronounced than I thought it would be, that's why I'm wondering if an OLED would be better in this regard. I don't know if I can watch a tv like this, it might be going back lol.

Appreciate the responses, and the link, that was very informative and helped me understand these types of displays better.

07-03-2018, 09:58 PM	#1
Drooch Banned Member since:Mar 2011	OLED motion resolution issues I want to make the jump from my Kuro plasma to 4K (probably OLED) but I hear that the motion resolution is sub-plasma. Should I make the jump, or should I wait for the tech to catch up to plasma? Are improvements even on the horizon for 4K? Thanks

08-19-2019, 10:49 PM	#11
oddbox83 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2013 Location:UK	The issue is that it has better motion natively due to the response rate. That can make 24p appear very juddery to some. Slight motion blur on older technology hid this. Cinema does it by showing each frame at least twice. LG's black frame insertion is supposed to mimic this but IMHO looks awful on TVs so I never use it. Shouldn't motion on OLED and Plasma be very close to each other though? I suppose it depends if they fixed the phosphor trailing issue from earlier sets. I never got on with plasma personally anyway. I just didn't like the look of it, it hurt my eyes in a same way single-chip DLP does. I don't know why that would be, but it is what it is. You can't have a TV that gives you headaches. It's been moot to me for some time anyway since Plasma TV has been unavailable in the UK for a while now. Last edited by oddbox83; 08-19-2019 at 10:59 PM.

07-03-2018, 10:12 PM	#2
Thorbiddles Member Member since:Jul 2017 Location:San Diego, CA 4K collection:286 Blu-ray collection:1591 DVD collection:526 Digital collection:890 Prime collection:736 Blu-ray reviews:2	You might want to wait if your Kuro still satisfies you. OLEDs have the best PQ by far in my opinion, but many people coming from plasmas find the motion to not look smooth enough. Each year the tech gets better and cheaper, so waiting has its advantages. That said, I love my LG 55c6p. I never had a plasma, so motion seems fine to me. Supposedly the motion improved on this year's models, and people say Sony OLEDs have even better motion that LG.

07-03-2018, 10:34 PM	#3
jvonl Power Member Member since:Jan 2011 Location:Hill Country, Texas 4K collection:420 Blu-ray collection:1639	I went from a Kuro to an Oled C7. I watch a lot of racing (Formula 1, Indy, IMSA, and NASCAR), and the motion is fine for all of that. The only issue that I have seen was during the Super Bowl, when on long shots of a long pass the ball turned somewhat translucent. Not that big a fan of football, so no problem for me. I believe that the 2018 Oled's are even better on motion. I'm sure that the longer you wait, the better it gets, but for me the C7 is spectacular!

07-04-2018, 12:10 PM	#4
iliveinparis1006 Member Member since:May 2009 Location:Los Angeles, CA Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:151 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	I got an LG OLED 65 C7, two weeks ago. And by reading the forum about display, I have come across a couple of times with people that had the TV calibrated. I like the TV, I've been watching some netflix movies and the picture is good, but some how I believe that it could be better. I haven't play with the picture adjustments in a serious manner. My question for you is that if you believe that the pro calibration is necessary, and if you think that is worth it.

07-04-2018, 01:13 PM	#5
jvonl Power Member Member since:Jan 2011 Location:Hill Country, Texas 4K collection:420 Blu-ray collection:1639	Absolutely! I purchased mine from Robert Zohn at Value Electronics, and left it with him for two weeks so that they could do the break in procedure followed by a total calibration. It is spectacular! As I read about folks adjusting this and that over and over I'm even happier that I did. Now, I never had my Kuro calibrated; I tinkered for several months until I had a picture that I was happy with for the next ten years, so it can be done to some degree on your own. However, I consider calibration a great value not only because of the picture quality, but because of the reduction of stress caused by constantly thinking "What if I try this?" When you can afford to, do it. I believe that you will be very happy with the results. Good luck, and have fun!

07-06-2018, 11:36 AM	#6
NARMAK Blu-ray Prince Member since:Feb 2007 Location:United Kingdom Blu-ray collection:141 Trading Score:18	You'd think a tech with instant pixel response would have had perfect motion resolution but guess that's not true at all and we'll have to wait for another future tech to come out that can give us CRT instant and perfect motion, flat panels, bright LED LCD style HDR and perfect blacks like OLED.

08-19-2019, 05:19 PM	#8
R3P0 Blu-ray Duke Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:46 Trading Score:1	OLED motion is fine you just need to A buy a good set and B read up on how your set is designed. I have 0 problems with the soap opera effect on my OLED TV because I went into each individual input or setting and turned it off. My Sony A9F looks just as good as my plasma did motion wise but the picture is more crisp and vibrant. On My Sony there were settings for HDR and HDX separate as well as HDMI 1-4 so this had to be changed on all 6. I would never buy a regular LED or LCD TV but OLED I am definitely sold on.

08-19-2019, 06:27 PM	#9
panasonicst60 Power Member Member since:Sep 2016 4K collection:297 Blu-ray collection:442 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:44	I had two plasmas before I went oled. I have never owned a kuro but I have a close friend that has had four or five of them perfectly calibrated. The biggest advantage the Kuro has to oled are the colors on the kuro are extremely accurate. Motion resolution is a tad better than the oled but not by much. I do hope to see future improvement in this department as well. With that said, regardless of what all the kuro lovers say. 4k hdr is where it's at, end of story. Once you go 4k hdr you'll never go back. 1080p looks dull and lifeless when compared to 4k hdr on a oled. A perfect transfer 4k uhd disc looks astonishing. Do it, you won't regret it.

08-19-2019, 09:13 PM	#10
pbz06 Special Member Member since:Nov 2009 4K collection:524 Blu-ray collection:828 Trading Score:9	Don't blame OLED for showing 24fps content with its inherent stutter.

08-20-2019, 12:06 AM	#12
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	All you need to know about OLED in the year 2019 ... • https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1566209962 Sony's video processor chip seems to be doing the Motion process very slightly better, but the margin is insignificant overall. For all the 4K HDR OLED advantages over Kuro plasma TVs, this year's models or next year models are a good time to up the cinema ante experience @ home, IMHO.

10-11-2019, 03:29 PM	#13
John The Grudge Active Member Member since:Oct 2010 Location:Kelso Blu-ray collection:450 DVD collection:67 Prime collection:6	Am I missing something because I gather OLED has near perfect motion resolution. The problem is that 24fps is stuttery and the OLED's lack of motion blur makes this all too obvious. Without soap opera effect I think it's impossible to be better than OLED. Personally I think sticking to 24fps for films and TV shows is dumb. When the camera pans it looks like crap on even the best TVs. I think a game running at 120fps would really demonstrate OLED superiority when it comes to motion.

10-24-2019, 12:05 PM	#16
oddbox83 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Sep 2013 Location:UK	Has anyone else noticed what looks like an intermittent dropped frame on 50i content after the latest firmware update? I'm using a B8. My Oppo is sending the TV a 2160p50 upscaled signal for clarity on what I'm feeding the screen.

10-25-2019, 01:58 AM	#17
SuperFlyHighGuy Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2010 Location:north star 4K collection:50 Blu-ray collection:498 Trading Score:98	So motion isn't necessarily better on an OLED than other LEDs? I finally bought a 4K tv cause my HD CRT has color issues now, but the motion is so horrible I'm really considering taking it back. Can't afford an OLED now, so should I just wait and save up for a few more years or live with the terrible motion issues and hope I get used to it?

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