3D Blu-ray audio [including Dolby Atmos & DTS:X soundtrack list for 3D Blu-rays] - Blu-ray Forum

Rickyrockard · 09-14-2018, 08:36 PM

Apologies if this thread already exists but I couldn’t see one. If there is one, kill this thread...and me.

If anyone wants to tidy up and/or take over this thread I’m sure 13thman can do some Mod Magic (I’m more of a reader than a poster in this forum).

Here is a list of 3D Blu Rays where an object-based soundtrack is available in another format (UHD or Regular Blu Ray).

This may be a useful list for those who like to (legally) backup their discs and remux the soundtracks. I've linked those movies to the reviews where the Object-based soundtrack describes discrete use of the height channels or significantly improves upon the soundtrack available on the 3D Blu Ray and I've highlighted those movies which were deemed by the critics to be 'Must See' or had a >4/5 review for Audio & 3D on this site.

For the record, I generally used the UK release as my starting point for searching. Sources: 1 2 3

What movies have I missed?

Blu Rays

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UHD

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3D Blu Rays where an Object-based Soundtrack is present

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Wishlist (where an Object-based soundtrack was mixed for the theatrical release but is not available in any home format)

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Smaugone · 09-14-2018, 10:29 PM

Just for complete coverage, maybe a list of 3D BD that has object based audio. It would be a very short list.
The Mummy, Gods of Egypt (dts:x), Secret Life of Pets, Ghost in the Shell, San Andreas and....?

xbs2034 · 09-14-2018, 10:34 PM

Goosebumps is another example, 5.1 on the 3D Blu and Atmos on the 2D

xbs2034 · 09-14-2018, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smaugone

Just for complete coverage, maybe a list of 3D BD that has object based audio. It would be a very short list.
The Mummy, Gods of Egypt (dts:x), Secret Life of Pets, Ghost in the Shell, San Andreas and....?

There are plenty of other ones, Transformers 4 and 5, Everest, Batman v Superman, the new Ninja Turtles films, Pacific Rim Uprising, Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (which comes out this week). And there are others, but just ones I know off the top of my head.

Freakyguy666 · 09-15-2018, 01:42 AM

Fortunately, the vast majority of movies in this category don’t benefit very much from the objects based mix. In fact, many times the bass response in the non-Atmos mix is superior. Add-in the fact that objects based receivers can upmix to approximate a native objects based mix, and I don’t think you’re missing much.

In fact there are only a handful where the objects based mixes are vastly superior (i.e. BR2049, Gravity, & RPO). And for those rare cases....they invented muxing!

davidbe · 09-15-2018, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Smaugone

Just for complete coverage, maybe a list of 3D BD that has object based audio. It would be a very short list.
The Mummy, Gods of Egypt (dts:x), Secret Life of Pets, Ghost in the Shell, San Andreas and....?

Here is a list of 39 3D Blu-rays released with Atmos or DTS:X (excludes foreign language films and IMAX documentaries):

Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice
The BFG
Despicable Me 3
Enchanted Kingdom (BBC Earth)
Everest
Ghost in the Shell
Gods of Egypt
Goosebumps
The Great Wall
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2
The Huntsman: Winter's War
Insurgent
In the Heart of the Sea
Jupiter Ascending
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
King Arthur Legend of the Sword
Kraftwerk: The Catalogue
The Legend of Tarzan
Lichtmond 4: The Journey
Mad Max: Fury Road
Metallica: Through the Never
Minions
The Mummy
Pacific Rim Uprising
Pan
Pixels
The Secret Life of Pets
San Andreas
Sing
Star Trek Beyond
Suicide Squad
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Out of the Shadows
Terminator Genisys
Transformers 4: Age of Extinction
Transformers 5: The Last Knight
Warcraft: The Beginning
xXx: Return of Xander Cage

Active3D · 09-15-2018, 06:09 AM

Here is a list of 3D Blu Rays where an object-based soundtrack is available in another format...

What does "object-based" mean?

Rickyrockard · 09-15-2018, 06:27 AM

Essentially DTS:X, Dolby Atmos or Auro.

The difference is that when a movie is mixed nowadays individual elements (objects) of sounds can be ‘placed’ in the theatre and the software translates that to what sounds need to come from which channel. It also means that the engineer only has to create one mix rather than a mix for 2.0, 5.1, 7.1 etc.

In addition, object-based soundtracks have height channels (speakers above the viewer).

BLMN · 09-15-2018, 04:21 PM

I’m still to find a Blu-ray (3D preferably) with auro 3D.

Freakyguy666 · 09-15-2018, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidbe

Here is a list of 39 3D Blu-rays released with Atmos or DTS:X (excludes foreign language films and IMAX documentaries):

Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice
The BFG
Despicable Me 3
Enchanted Kingdom (BBC Earth)
Everest
Ghost in the Shell
Gods of Egypt
Goosebumps
The Great Wall
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2
The Huntsman: Winter's War
Insurgent
In the Heart of the Sea
Jupiter Ascending
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
King Arthur Legend of the Sword
Kraftwerk: The Catalogue
The Legend of Tarzan
Lichtmond 4: The Journey
Mad Max: Fury Road
Metallica: Through the Never
Minions
The Mummy
Pacific Rim Uprising
Pan
Pixels
The Secret Life of Pets
San Andreas
Sing
Star Trek Beyond
Suicide Squad
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Out of the Shadows
Terminator Genisys
Transformers 4: Age of Extinction
Transformers 5: The Last Knight
Warcraft: The Beginning
xXx: Return of Xander Cage

Pixels 3D is 5.1 not ATMOS.

8traxrule · 09-16-2018, 12:02 AM

King Arthur is also only 5.1 on the 3D disc, though the Warner Home Video opening on it is in Atmos. The 2D disc is in Atmos.

davidbe · 09-16-2018, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

Pixels 3D is 5.1 not ATMOS.

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Originally Posted by 8traxrule

King Arthur is also only 5.1 on the 3D disc, though the Warner Home Video opening on it is in Atmos. The 2D disc is in Atmos.

I stand corrected on both of these.

xbs2034 · 09-16-2018, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidbe

Incorrect.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Pixel...lu-ray/137008/

Read the audio portion of the review, he mentions the 2D disc having Atmos and 3D having 5.1. At least both are included in the same set (when Atmos is 4K exclusive, one has to make two purchases to get both that sound mix and 3D)

Smaugone · 09-20-2018, 12:15 AM

Question for you re-muxers, are you putting them on disc, or hard drive or ?

Rickyrockard · 09-24-2018, 08:11 AM

All of the above! It depends what you have to play them back on. Burning to Blu Ray obviously carries an additional cost but playing from USB or network share will depend on you having the right hardware (player, decent/wired network).

4Reel · 09-25-2018, 09:43 PM

I know it's not highlighted green, but I thought The Great Wall had good effects in both 3D and Atmos that it would be among the top of my list if you're watching a movie for both.

Rickyrockard · 09-25-2018, 10:01 PM

Fair enough! Thanks for highlighting that movie.

The Atmos soundtrack sounds like it really makes use of the height channels. I’ve not highlighted green as there is no 3D review of that movie on this site. It’s all subjective, just trying to have a consistent rule.

Rickyrockard · 12-30-2018, 11:13 AM

I've added The Lion King (1994) and How To Train Your Dragon/2 to the list.

Rickyrockard · 12-30-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by VonMagnum

@Straxrule - Gravity does not do panned dialog correctly. It SHIFTS suddenly at certain points from center to side and does the panning better off-screen than on. It's what I'd call a "partial" pan (lots of movies shift the voices once off-screen or at the edges, but don't pan across the screen).

If you want a TRUE panned dialog movie, watch something like Toy Story 1-3. They do PERFECT panning (and do some great stuff for 6.1 in the second movie).

Interesting. Thanks. Are you able to give examples (timestamps) of when the panning on Gravity is not what you'd want/hope for?

Rickyrockard · 12-30-2018, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VonMagnum

Dolby Surround creates singular overheads (i.e. front, middle and back speakers on the left all have the SAME signal and the same for the right height speakers) with very little content moved to them. Neural X does a MUCH better job and creates individual channels in overhead. I have 6 overhead speakers so I definitely want a good overhead mix.

Dolby Surround and Neural X are competing upmixers (Auro-3D has one called "Auromatic" as well on some Denon and Marantz receivers. It has both 2D (bed only) and 3D (bed and heights) modes. Which one sounds best is, of course somewhat subjective, but if you want more than crickets in your ceiling speakers, both Auro-matic and Neural X do a better job. Neural X in particular is very aggressive and puts height information where it belongs.

In short, I always choose Neural X for movies. I use either Auro-matic or Multi-channel stereo if I want to expand music beyond two channels. I avoid DSU (Dolby Surround Upmixer) like the plague.

The sad thing is that Dolby wants to force companies to not allow these other two upmixers to be used with any kind of a Dolby signal. That is horse manure as anything less than an Atmos mix is universal (5.1, 6.1, 7.1 and less) and the carrier (Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio or even straight PCM in some cases) doesn't matter one bit. Fortunately, I have yet to see a receiver maker obey these rules (save for DTS Virtual X which simulates height speakers and won't work with a Dolby bitstream signal) and it doesn't apply to PCM audio (i.e. if your player decodes to PCM first as many have the option to do) it will work with any upmixer (including Virtual X) regardless.

Again, interesting. Are you able to give some specific examples of Neural X vs DS?

Personally, for me, I am less interested in what Atmos/DTS:X/overhead channels do for panning. Where I feel the overheads really pay off is when the Score is mixed to use the overheads (splitting the instruments in the same way that an aggressive stereo mix does). I noticed it quite a bit when I watched The Haunting of Hill House on Netflix.

09-14-2018, 08:36 PM	#1
Rickyrockard Expert Member Member since:Aug 2009 Location:England 4K collection:60 Blu-ray collection:213	3D Blu-ray audio [including Dolby Atmos & DTS:X soundtrack list for 3D Blu-rays] Apologies if this thread already exists but I couldn’t see one. If there is one, kill this thread...and me. If anyone wants to tidy up and/or take over this thread I’m sure 13thman can do some Mod Magic (I’m more of a reader than a poster in this forum). Here is a list of 3D Blu Rays where an object-based soundtrack is available in another format (UHD or Regular Blu Ray). This may be a useful list for those who like to (legally) backup their discs and remux the soundtracks. I've linked those movies to the reviews where the Object-based soundtrack describes discrete use of the height channels or significantly improves upon the soundtrack available on the 3D Blu Ray and I've highlighted those movies which were deemed by the critics to be 'Must See' or had a >4/5 review for Audio & 3D on this site. For the record, I generally used the UK release as my starting point for searching. Sources: 1 2 3 What movies have I missed? Blu Rays [Show spoiler] UHD [Show spoiler] 3D Blu Rays where an Object-based Soundtrack is present [Show spoiler] Wishlist (where an Object-based soundtrack was mixed for the theatrical release but is not available in any home format) [Show spoiler] Last edited by Rickyrockard; 04-28-2023 at 04:48 PM.

09-14-2018, 10:29 PM	#2
Smaugone Special Member Member since:Sep 2012 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:327	Just for complete coverage, maybe a list of 3D BD that has object based audio. It would be a very short list. The Mummy, Gods of Egypt (dts:x), Secret Life of Pets, Ghost in the Shell, San Andreas and....?

09-14-2018, 10:34 PM	#3
xbs2034 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Feb 2012	Goosebumps is another example, 5.1 on the 3D Blu and Atmos on the 2D

09-15-2018, 01:42 AM	#5
Freakyguy666 Banned Member since:Jan 2014 Blu-ray reviews: 3	Fortunately, the vast majority of movies in this category don’t benefit very much from the objects based mix. In fact, many times the bass response in the non-Atmos mix is superior. Add-in the fact that objects based receivers can upmix to approximate a native objects based mix, and I don’t think you’re missing much. In fact there are only a handful where the objects based mixes are vastly superior (i.e. BR2049, Gravity, & RPO). And for those rare cases....they invented muxing!

09-15-2018, 06:09 AM	#7
Active3D Active Member Member since:Apr 2013	Here is a list of 3D Blu Rays where an object-based soundtrack is available in another format... What does "object-based" mean?

09-15-2018, 04:21 PM	#9
BLMN Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2011 Location:Southern NH 4K collection:253 Blu-ray collection:736 DVD collection:36 Digital collection:7 Trading Score:8	I’m still to find a Blu-ray (3D preferably) with auro 3D.

09-16-2018, 12:02 AM	#11
8traxrule Power Member Member since:Jul 2009 Blu-ray collection:1	King Arthur is also only 5.1 on the 3D disc, though the Warner Home Video opening on it is in Atmos. The 2D disc is in Atmos.

09-20-2018, 12:15 AM	#14
Smaugone Special Member Member since:Sep 2012 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:327	Question for you re-muxers, are you putting them on disc, or hard drive or ?

09-24-2018, 08:11 AM	#15
Rickyrockard Expert Member Member since:Aug 2009 Location:England 4K collection:60 Blu-ray collection:213	All of the above! It depends what you have to play them back on. Burning to Blu Ray obviously carries an additional cost but playing from USB or network share will depend on you having the right hardware (player, decent/wired network).

09-25-2018, 09:43 PM	#16
4Reel Member Member since:Jul 2018 4K collection:212 Blu-ray collection:250	I know it's not highlighted green, but I thought The Great Wall had good effects in both 3D and Atmos that it would be among the top of my list if you're watching a movie for both.

09-25-2018, 10:01 PM	#17
Rickyrockard Expert Member Member since:Aug 2009 Location:England 4K collection:60 Blu-ray collection:213	Fair enough! Thanks for highlighting that movie. The Atmos soundtrack sounds like it really makes use of the height channels. I’ve not highlighted green as there is no 3D review of that movie on this site. It’s all subjective, just trying to have a consistent rule.

12-30-2018, 11:13 AM	#18
Rickyrockard Expert Member Member since:Aug 2009 Location:England 4K collection:60 Blu-ray collection:213	I've added The Lion King (1994) and How To Train Your Dragon/2 to the list.

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