128GB Pioneer flagship BDR-2209 is the world’s fastest 16x internal Blu-ray drive - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 01-14-2014, 04:42 AM

The Pioneer flagship BDR-2209 is the worlds fastest 16x internal Blu-ray drive that also supports 128GB BDXL media

$99.99 estimated list price (currently around $85.99 at newegg.com as of 1-14-2014)

Pioneer in late 2013 released their 4th generation top of the line 128GB BDXL Blu-ray drive that writes single layer 25GB Blu-ray discs up to 16x writing speed. At 16x writing speed this makes the flagship Pioneer BDR-2209 computer drive the worlds fastest Blu-ray drive with the bonus of full support for 100GB and 128GB BDXL optical media.

Product Overview PDF

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-2209

The Pioneer BDR-2209 for around $85.99 street price comes with PowerDVD 10 software that allows consumers to play Blu-ray discs. Some other brands of Blu-ray computer drives do not come with any software to play Blu-ray discs.

Just like all intenal Pioneer BDXL Blu-ray drives to date, the BDR-2209 contains only an e-SATA one interface at 1.5Gbps speed. Since external USB 3.0 Pioneer BDXL Blu-ray drives are offering 5Gbps transfer speed over the USB 3.0 interface, the ideal internal BDXL drive should contain an e-SATA III jack that offers 6Gbps transfer speed. Of course, since optical discs are much slower then solid state drives and hard drives, e-SATA one at 1.5Gbps transfer speed should be fast enough. However e-SATA III interfaces can sometimes handshake better with e-SATA III and e-SATA II motherboards. Also e-SATA III 6Gbps interface is a popular spec that consumers look for. So in the future hopefully Pioneer will use e-SATA III interfaces on future BDXL Blu-ray internal drives.

dobyblue · 01-17-2014, 02:46 PM

This is actually a great price. 14x DL writing, what speeds are discs up to now? There's a good deal on Amazon that gets you 50 TDK 50GB blanks (4x) for $1.95/disc which is by far the cheapest I've seen for a good brand.

I'm very tempted to snap this one up from Newegg but am tapped right now from my 60VT60 purchase, hopefully the price won't go the wrong way in the coming months.

clem842 · 02-09-2014, 09:16 PM

Seems like a great price

rami7250 · 02-17-2014, 06:40 PM

What is the speed (MB Per Sec) of this drive?

alwoo · 05-30-2014, 02:41 PM

I'm looking to get a BD burner for data on my computer, but am quite confused.

I see drive manufacturers advertising 14x and 16x, but only 4x discs. In fact, I emailed pioneer for their "disc compatability list" and on their own list they only go to 8x on one TDK disc (good luck finding which one I think)

Is anyone here actually burning at a faster speed, and with which discs and drive? I'd like to be you

BD-R(TL) (4x format disc)
Writing speed : 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x
No.
Maker Manufacturer ID
Strategy Status
Remarks
CAV CAV CAV CAV CAV CAV
2x 4x 6x 8x 4x 6x 8x 10x 12x 14x
1 Panasonic "PAN___RC4" Y Y - - - - - - - -
2 TDK "TDKBLDRNC" Y Y Y Y

jkspawn · 07-22-2016, 06:00 AM

Does anyone know if this drive will read 4K UHD discs?

Mezzanine · 07-22-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jkspawn

Does anyone know if this drive will read 4K UHD discs?

No you can´t. Just tried.

HDTV1080P · 07-23-2016, 05:52 PM

So far I have not been able to get any brand or model of BD-ROM drive to read a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc (I have only tried a few different models). The computer industry needs to develop certified 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray drives that are able to read the new discs. Then companies like Cyberlink need to develop software to read the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs.

There are 4K Ultra HD desktop computer monitors and graphics cards that support HDCP 2.2. We just need certified 4K Ultra HD BD-ROM drives and software to make everything work. Maybe in the year 2017+.

Years ago one could walk into a store and see computers with standard BD-ROM drives installed. The other day I was in a retail store and none of the lower end or higher end computers had a BD-ROM drive installed. They all had a DVD-ROM drives which is half the cost. DVD-ROM drives are around $20-$25+ and BD-ROM drives start at around $50+. In the year 2016 all desktop computers and Laptop computers should be pre-installed with BD-ROM drives, however the computer industry still sees Blu-ray as a luxury option that most consumers will not use. Today consumers watch 1080P streaming videos and movies online with their computer instead of using Blu-ray.

LordCrumb · 07-24-2016, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

So far I have not been able to get any brand or model of BD-ROM drive to read a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc (I have only tried a few different models). The computer industry needs to develop certified 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray drives that are able to read the new discs. Then companies like Cyberlink need to develop software to read the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs.

There are 4K Ultra HD desktop computer monitors and graphics cards that support HDCP 2.2. We just need certified 4K Ultra HD BD-ROM drives and software to make everything work. Maybe in the year 2017+.

Years ago one could walk into a store and see computers with standard BD-ROM drives installed. The other day I was in a retail store and none of the lower end or higher end computers had a BD-ROM drive installed. They all had a DVD-ROM drives which is half the cost. DVD-ROM drives are around $20-$25+ and BD-ROM drives start at around $50+. In the year 2016 all desktop computers and Laptop computers should be pre-installed with BD-ROM drives, however the computer industry still sees Blu-ray as a luxury option that most consumers will not use. Today consumers watch 1080P streaming videos and movies online with their computer instead of using Blu-ray.

I had to order my Laptop online to get one with a BD drive. I've never seen a Laptop in any store here with one.. only DVD.

rdodolak · 07-24-2016, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

So far I have not been able to get any brand or model of BD-ROM drive to read a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc (I have only tried a few different models).

Try the LG WH16NS40 or WH14NS40.

HDTV1080P · 07-26-2016, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Try the LG WH16NS40 or WH14NS40.

Were you able to get it to read 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs? Even if the drive were to read the discs, there is no software on the market yet that plays 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movies.

AngelGraves13 · 09-22-2016, 11:29 PM

Last Pioneer drive I had wouldn't read any blu-ray over 4X. I switched to LG and can read up to 8X for DL and 12X for SL.

HDTV1080P · 09-23-2016, 04:33 PM

The latest Pioneer BDXL BD-ROM (BD-R) drives known as the BDR-2209 have a BD-R writing speed of 16 times, however single layer BD-R and BD-ROM are 12 times read speed. Dual layer BD-R and BD-ROM are 8 times read speed.

HDTV1080P · 09-23-2016, 04:48 PM

The Pioneer BDR-2209 was released to Amazon customers on October 31st 2013. This Blu-ray drive is almost 3 years old. Pioneer, LG, and other consumer electronic optical disc drive manufactories need to start announcing and releasing new models for 2016 or 2017 that support 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs.

Nu4695 · 09-20-2018, 11:16 PM

It's been a while now. Does anyone know if any new optical drives have come out? Especially those that can write on 500GB or 1TB discs?

Yes, Blu-ray discs that can hold 300GB, 500GB, 1TB were suppose to come out in 2015 but I still haven't found one (in stores or online).

HDTV1080P · 09-21-2018, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu4695

It's been a while now. Does anyone know if any new optical drives have come out? Especially those that can write on 500GB or 1TB discs?

Yes, Blu-ray discs that can hold 300GB, 500GB, 1TB were suppose to come out in 2015 but I still haven't found one (in stores or online).

Possibly in 10+ years 300GB, 500GB, and 1TB optical discs might come out. Optical discs that use M-Disc technology can last up to 1,000 years and are the most reliable way to back up data. However many consumers still prefer to use hard drives and USB flash drives to backup data that sometimes only have a 10 year shelf life (plus strong magnetic fields and EMP's can destroy hard drives and USB drives).

The only major improvement in optical drives is that the latest BDXL models like the Pioneer BDR-211UBK for $129.99 list price has a official Ultra HD Blu-ray disc logo. Consumers with the latest computers that support SGX technology can now play 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs.

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/P...ves/BDR-211UBK

Nu4695 · 09-21-2018, 03:49 AM

Thanks!

LexInHD · 09-25-2018, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu4695

It's been a while now. Does anyone know if any new optical drives have come out? Especially those that can write on 500GB or 1TB discs?

Yes, Blu-ray discs that can hold 300GB, 500GB, 1TB were suppose to come out in 2015 but I still haven't found one (in stores or online).

Those would be professional optical drive media capacities used for archival purposes and they are not compatible with any consumer optical drives. No capacity beyond BD-XL's 128GB is on the table for consumers, as the optical disc industry has more or less collapsed over the past six years and the big names (Sony and Panasonic) have to protect their very expensive professional market products, which cost several thousand dollars per-unit for the low-end hardware.

HDTV1080P · 09-25-2018, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nu4695

It's been a while now. Does anyone know if any new optical drives have come out? Especially those that can write on 500GB or 1TB discs?

Yes, Blu-ray discs that can hold 300GB, 500GB, 1TB were suppose to come out in 2015 but I still haven't found one (in stores or online).

I was only thinking about the consumer market. Technically up to 3.3TB of storage is available now for the professional market. Sony makes 3.3TB optical disc generation 2 archive cartridges for $188.57 each (write once). They are used in special high-end external optical drives. Ideal for companies, studios, and government agencies that have a lot of computer data, video, or audio to back up for a long period of time. The advantage of the cartridge design is that it prevents the optical disc from getting scratched, finger prints, etc.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ive_3_3tb.html

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/opti...e-generation-2

https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/peta...alable-library

HDTV1080P · 09-25-2018, 11:35 PM

Copying and pasting data to a solid state drive, hard drive, or USB flash drive is the easiest way to back up media. However the advantage of optical media is EMI/RFI and EMP proof. Plus the M Disc Blu-ray and DVD technology well last a minimum of 1,000 years in theory. While its possible that a hard drive, or USB flash drive under ideal conditions can last more then 10 years, in reality many fail after 10 years.

Overall the consumer has decided to backup their data on faster and easier to use solid state drives, hard drives, and USB drives at the cost of having a lot less reliability when compared to high end optical media.

01-14-2014, 04:42 AM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	128GB Pioneer flagship BDR-2209 is the world’s fastest 16x internal Blu-ray drive The Pioneer flagship BDR-2209 is the worlds fastest 16x internal Blu-ray drive that also supports 128GB BDXL media $99.99 estimated list price (currently around $85.99 at newegg.com as of 1-14-2014) Pioneer in late 2013 released their 4th generation top of the line 128GB BDXL Blu-ray drive that writes single layer 25GB Blu-ray discs up to 16x writing speed. At 16x writing speed this makes the flagship Pioneer BDR-2209 computer drive the worlds fastest Blu-ray drive with the bonus of full support for 100GB and 128GB BDXL optical media. Product Overview PDF http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-2209 The Pioneer BDR-2209 for around $85.99 street price comes with PowerDVD 10 software that allows consumers to play Blu-ray discs. Some other brands of Blu-ray computer drives do not come with any software to play Blu-ray discs. Just like all intenal Pioneer BDXL Blu-ray drives to date, the BDR-2209 contains only an e-SATA one interface at 1.5Gbps speed. Since external USB 3.0 Pioneer BDXL Blu-ray drives are offering 5Gbps transfer speed over the USB 3.0 interface, the ideal internal BDXL drive should contain an e-SATA III jack that offers 6Gbps transfer speed. Of course, since optical discs are much slower then solid state drives and hard drives, e-SATA one at 1.5Gbps transfer speed should be fast enough. However e-SATA III interfaces can sometimes handshake better with e-SATA III and e-SATA II motherboards. Also e-SATA III 6Gbps interface is a popular spec that consumers look for. So in the future hopefully Pioneer will use e-SATA III interfaces on future BDXL Blu-ray internal drives. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 01-14-2014 at 04:47 AM.

05-30-2014, 02:41 PM	#5
alwoo New Member Member since:May 2014	How do you burn at over 8x? I'm looking to get a BD burner for data on my computer, but am quite confused. I see drive manufacturers advertising 14x and 16x, but only 4x discs. In fact, I emailed pioneer for their "disc compatability list" and on their own list they only go to 8x on one TDK disc (good luck finding which one I think) Is anyone here actually burning at a faster speed, and with which discs and drive? I'd like to be you BD-R(TL) (4x format disc) Writing speed : 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x No. Maker Manufacturer ID Strategy Status Remarks CAV CAV CAV CAV CAV CAV 2x 4x 6x 8x 4x 6x 8x 10x 12x 14x 1 Panasonic "PAN___RC4" Y Y - - - - - - - - 2 TDK "TDKBLDRNC" Y Y Y Y

01-17-2014, 02:46 PM	#2
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	This is actually a great price. 14x DL writing, what speeds are discs up to now? There's a good deal on Amazon that gets you 50 TDK 50GB blanks (4x) for $1.95/disc which is by far the cheapest I've seen for a good brand. I'm very tempted to snap this one up from Newegg but am tapped right now from my 60VT60 purchase, hopefully the price won't go the wrong way in the coming months.

02-09-2014, 09:16 PM	#3
clem842 New Member Member since:Jan 2011	Seems like a great price

02-17-2014, 06:40 PM	#4
rami7250 Junior Member Member since:Feb 2014	What is the speed (MB Per Sec) of this drive?

07-22-2016, 06:00 AM	#6
jkspawn Junior Member Member since:Sep 2014	Does anyone know if this drive will read 4K UHD discs?

07-23-2016, 05:52 PM	#8
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	So far I have not been able to get any brand or model of BD-ROM drive to read a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc (I have only tried a few different models). The computer industry needs to develop certified 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray drives that are able to read the new discs. Then companies like Cyberlink need to develop software to read the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. There are 4K Ultra HD desktop computer monitors and graphics cards that support HDCP 2.2. We just need certified 4K Ultra HD BD-ROM drives and software to make everything work. Maybe in the year 2017+. Years ago one could walk into a store and see computers with standard BD-ROM drives installed. The other day I was in a retail store and none of the lower end or higher end computers had a BD-ROM drive installed. They all had a DVD-ROM drives which is half the cost. DVD-ROM drives are around $20-$25+ and BD-ROM drives start at around $50+. In the year 2016 all desktop computers and Laptop computers should be pre-installed with BD-ROM drives, however the computer industry still sees Blu-ray as a luxury option that most consumers will not use. Today consumers watch 1080P streaming videos and movies online with their computer instead of using Blu-ray.

09-22-2016, 11:29 PM	#12
AngelGraves13 Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2011 Location:North Hollywood, CA 4K collection:1673 Blu-ray collection:3897 DVD collection:77 iTunes collection:267	Last Pioneer drive I had wouldn't read any blu-ray over 4X. I switched to LG and can read up to 8X for DL and 12X for SL.

09-23-2016, 04:33 PM	#13
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The latest Pioneer BDXL BD-ROM (BD-R) drives known as the BDR-2209 have a BD-R writing speed of 16 times, however single layer BD-R and BD-ROM are 12 times read speed. Dual layer BD-R and BD-ROM are 8 times read speed.

09-23-2016, 04:48 PM	#14
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The Pioneer BDR-2209 was released to Amazon customers on October 31st 2013. This Blu-ray drive is almost 3 years old. Pioneer, LG, and other consumer electronic optical disc drive manufactories need to start announcing and releasing new models for 2016 or 2017 that support 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs.

09-20-2018, 11:16 PM	#15
Nu4695 New Member Member since:Sep 2018	It's been a while now. Does anyone know if any new optical drives have come out? Especially those that can write on 500GB or 1TB discs? Yes, Blu-ray discs that can hold 300GB, 500GB, 1TB were suppose to come out in 2015 but I still haven't found one (in stores or online).

09-21-2018, 03:49 AM	#17
Nu4695 New Member Member since:Sep 2018	Thanks!

09-25-2018, 11:35 PM	#20
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Copying and pasting data to a solid state drive, hard drive, or USB flash drive is the easiest way to back up media. However the advantage of optical media is EMI/RFI and EMP proof. Plus the M Disc Blu-ray and DVD technology well last a minimum of 1,000 years in theory. While its possible that a hard drive, or USB flash drive under ideal conditions can last more then 10 years, in reality many fail after 10 years. Overall the consumer has decided to backup their data on faster and easier to use solid state drives, hard drives, and USB drives at the cost of having a lot less reliability when compared to high end optical media.

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