Action Films.

[bruce_pullen]

Will they ever be back? Action without superpowers, films like The Rock (1996), Bad Boys (1995), and Live Free or Die Hard (2007).

Outside of prior franchises... Will they be back?

Or is it spandex from now on?

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

Will they ever be back? Action without superpowers, films like The Rock (1996), Bad Boys (1995), and Live Free or Die Hard (2007).

Outside of prior franchises... Will they be back?

Or is it spandex from now on?

I don't know about you but I certainly don't consider 2007, or even 1995 for that matter, far enough back to think original action movies have disappeared it does seem like the 90s was ripe with them though, at least much more than 2000s have been.

[uziel5000]

Would Wanted count as an action film? I know it had the bullet curve thing and all but its not a superhero film. I have yet to see it though so I don't know if its any good.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

I don't know about you but I certainly don't consider 2007, or even 1995 for that matter, far enough back to think original action movies have disappeared it does seem like the 90s was ripe with them though, at least much more than 2000s have been.

But their incidence is more uncommon. The release pattern is becoming more of the Western. My feeling is: classic Action is becoming like that. An occasional phenomenon: only rarely invested in.

The Western used to be big in the 50's and 60's. Then it slipped away to occasional glory. I believe with the Comic Madness underway. Action is becoming the Western. Probably to stay..., I hope not. But my instincts are seldom wrong.

Like what you said on the Western, the release pattern is ever so often. Action is being allowed to go there. And with Comics the tool of choice, before you know it: the studios won’t risk action without comics. We’re almost there. Wait and see.

I hope I’m wrong. But Hollywood has a short-term memory. …We can’t do action… It doesn’t make money.

Die Hard (1988), Lethal Weapon (1987), Speed (1994), The Rock (1996)… but that’s in the past. It’s on with spandex and green screens.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

But their incidence is more uncommon. The release pattern is becoming more of the Western. My feeling is: classic Action is becoming like that. An occasional phenomenon: only rarely invested in.

The Western used to be big in the 50's and 60's, and then it slipped away to occasional glory. I believe with the Comic Madness underway. Action is becoming the Western. Probably to stay..., I hope not. But my instincts are seldom wrong.

Like what you said on the Western, the release pattern is ever so often. Action is being allowed to go there. And with Comics the tool of choice, before you know it: the studios won’t risk action without comics. We’re almost there. Wait and see.

I hope I’m wrong. But Hollywood has a short-term memory. …We can’t do action… It doesn’t make money.

Die Hard (1988), Lethal Weapon (1987), Speed (1994), The Rock (1996)… but that’s in the past. It’s on with spandex and green screens.

very very true. comic book and superhero movies seem to be the big thing since 2000 on. another 90s example is Independence Day.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by uziel5000

Would Wanted count as an action film? I know it had the bullet curve thing and all but its not a superhero film. I have yet to see it though so I don't know if its any good.

Based on a comic, with comic rules. Bended bullets, jumping from building to building, the magical healing bath, it was greenlit because of it's comic roots. Not because it was an action film. It just happened to feel that way.

I loved the film. But it’s a comic story: with action scenes. Think about it. Origin story, what tradition uses origin stories? X-Men, Iron-Man, Batman, Superman, X-Men,… need I go on.

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

But their incidence is more uncommon. The release pattern is becoming more of the Western. My feeling is: classic Action is becoming like that. An occasional phenomenon: only rarely invested in.

The Western used to be big in the 50's and 60's. Then it slipped away to occasional glory. I believe with the Comic Madness underway. Action is becoming the Western. Probably to stay..., I hope not. But my instincts are seldom wrong.

Like what you said on the Western, the release pattern is ever so often. Action is being allowed to go there. And with Comics the tool of choice, before you know it: the studios won’t risk action without comics. We’re almost there. Wait and see.

I hope I’m wrong. But Hollywood has a short-term memory. …We can’t do action… It doesn’t make money.

Die Hard (1988), Lethal Weapon (1987), Speed (1994), The Rock (1996)… but that’s in the past. It’s on with spandex and green screens.

I think you would have to put economic hardships for companies on why they can't afford some movies like those in the past. I feel that once the economy rises again in about 5 years(hopefully less, but I don't foresee that) that we will see more of the classic action movies that we love so much because budgets will be higher.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

very very true. comic book and superhero movies seem to be the big thing since 2000 on. another 90s example is Independence Day.

Call me nuts, I think 9/11 is responsible. Since 02, action has gotten less and less. To be replaced with...

I believe filmmakers have made a conscious choice to avoid them. And now.., after years of comic success. And no films to prove Action viable, Hollywood has killed the genre. Or nearly, through neglect... and now..., they won't try. Through their own choices; Action is on life-support.

The last few years: The Bourne Identity (2002), Bad Boys 2 (2003), The Bourne Supremacy (2004), Casino Royale (2006), Live Free or Die Hard (2007), The Bourne Ultimatum (2007), The Quantum of Solace (2008).

They're all established franchises. They're name-brands, prior to the trend. All new action (new ideas), are low-budget and fringe. And only game and comic action: seem to get noticed. Sign of the times, I guess.

Is there a way back? I don't know?

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by drobswim13

I think you would have to put economic hardships for companies on why they can't afford some movies like those in the past. I feel that once the economy rises again in about 5 years(hopefully less, but I don't foresee that) that we will see more of the classic action movies that we love so much because budgets will be higher.

And the seven years.. before the downturn? What about then.

Times were good. Money was rolling in. Still no action. Just more men in tights. And Harry Potter. Explain that?

[mikejet]

Ummm...the Bourne and last two Bond films were action.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Ummm...the Bourne and last two Bond films were action.

Read above. I think you missed it.

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

The last few years: The Bourne Identity (2002), Bad Boys 2 (2003), The Bourne Supremacy (2004), Casino Royale (2006), Live Free or Die Hard (2007), The Bourne Ultimatum (2007), The Quantum of Solace (2008).

They're all established franchises. They're name-brands, prior to the trend. All new action (new ideas), are low-budget and fringe. And only game and comic action: seem to get noticed. Sign of the times, I guess.

Is there a way back? I don't know?

[uziel5000]

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

Based on a comic, with comic rules. Bended bullets, jumping from building to building, the magical healing bath, it was greenlit because of it's comic roots. Not because it was an action film. It just happened to feel that way.

I loved the film. But it’s a comic story: with action scenes. Think about it. Origin story, what tradition uses origin stories? X-Men, Iron-Man, Batman, Superman, X-Men,… need I go on.

Ohhhh. See I didn't know that it was based on comic. As I said I haven't seen it. Thanx for the correction.

[mikejet]

Shoot Em' Up, Crank, Hitman. There are action movies. Taken is recent. District B13 was great. Onk Bak, Tom Yung Goong and Ong Bak 2.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by uziel5000

Ohhhh. See I didn't know that it was based on comic. As I said I haven't seen it. Thanx for the correction.

You're welcome. Glad I could help.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Shoot Em Up (2007)
Hot Fuzz (2007)
The Internationalist (2009)


All three are standalone actioners. And we have other crap like Crank 1/2 and the Transporter films. I

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by gamma626

Shoot Em Up (2007)
Hot Fuzz (2007)
The Internationalist (2009)


All three are standalone actioners. And we have other crap like Crank 1/2 and the Transporter films. I

Hot Fuzz was amazing. Great homage to action films and makes me want a Point Break 2.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Shoot Em' Up, Crank, Hitman. There are action movies. Taken is recent. District B13 was great. Onk Bak, Tom Yung Goong and Ong Bak 2.

Shoot Em' Up, Crank, and Hitman. Did you read what I said.

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

They're all established franchises. They're name-brands, prior to the trend. All new action (new ideas), are low-budget and fringe. And only game and comic action: seem to get noticed. Sign of the times, I guess.

All new ideas: low budget and fringe (Shoot Em' Up, Crank). And only game and comic action: seem to get noticed (Hitman).

As for Kung-Fu, that is in because of it's similarity to comics. Slow-Mo, defied gravity, one-on-one action, it mirrors comics. Therefore, it doesn't indicate growth of what was. Sorry, but no dice.

[bruce_pullen]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Hot Fuzz was amazing. Great homage to action films and makes me want a Point Break 2.

Again, low-budget and fringe. The films are small independents, not major movies. That's my point. There's no effort to make action bigger. It's all minor.

Note: Hot Fuzz is a parody.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

Shoot Em' Up, Crank, and Hitman. Did you read what I said.


All new ideas: low budget and fringe (Shoot Em' Up, Crank). And only game and comic action: seem to get noticed (Hitman).

As for Kung-Fu, that is in because of it's similarity to comics. Slow-Mo, defied gravity, one-on-one action, it mirrors comics. Therefore, it doesn't indicate growth of what was. Sorry, but no dice.

those are two different questions though. You first asked "where did the action films go?".

Now we tell you and you say "but they aren't making money!"

Which one is it?

Ps idea! Original sci-fi.... Is it dead?

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by bruce_pullen

Again, low-budget and fringe. The films are small independents, not major movies. That's my point. There's no effort to make action bigger. It's all minor

Eagle Eye.