Sleeping Beauty pq question - Blu-ray Forum

STARSCREAM · 02-12-2009, 07:35 AM

Hey guys, I just got done watching Sleeping Beauty and just like everyone else was astounded by the pq and the aq was great as well. The colors and animation are unreal!!

. I do have a question though, I was wondering why there were some scenes/moments that appeared outta focus/blurry on certain parts of the pic or character. To clarify, the whole pic is not like that but just certain parts like an animal or its face. For example, at timestamp 28 min. when she is sitting with animals in forest if you watch scene the animals in middle of screen are blurry/outta focus looking especially their faces. This occurs in other scenes as well but in alot of scenes everything looks crystal clear. I was just wondering why this is since it is animation I wondered why some of it looked outta focus.?

Twankies08 · 02-12-2009, 07:46 AM

Yeah I was wondering the same thing because I was watching it
and some of it was kinda blurry but I played it from the 28 stamp
like you said starscream and I can see what your talking about

STARSCREAM · 02-12-2009, 07:50 AM

Thanks for checking it out. At first I thought I was going crazy, then I threw in some other Blu's just to reassure myself it wasn't my equipment jacking up and they all looked fine, and then I came on here to look for any info on it but didn't see anybody saying anything about it. I just found it ackward since its animation and it threw me off. Plus, everyone raves about its pq (and deservedly so) but nobody mentions this. Oh, I might have put the wrong timestamp. Can't remember now but it's somewhere in there around 25-29 min. There is plenty of other instances were I noticed this as well though. Sometimes it was like only one animal or something on the whole screen that was like that.

Twankies08 · 02-12-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

Thanks for checking it out. At first I thought I was going crazy, then I threw in some other Blu's just to reassure myself it wasn't my equipment jacking up and they all looked fine, and then I came on here to look for any info on it but didn't see anybody saying anything about it. I just found it ackward since its animation and it threw me off. Plus, everyone raves about its pq (and deservedly so) but nobody mentions this. Oh, I might have put the wrong timestamp. Can't remember now but it's somewhere in there around 25-29 min. There is plenty of other instances were I noticed this as well though. Sometimes it was like only one animal or something on the whole screen that was like that.

No problem but im glad you brought it up because I didn't
even notice until I went back and looked like you said!

ThatArtGuy · 02-12-2009, 08:29 AM

Was it during a multi-plane camera sequence? That could be your answer right there.

TheSynergy · 02-12-2009, 08:40 AM

This movie is from the 50's I believe, restoration can only do so many things, there may be small things like that, hell even in the Godfather there are small artifacts here and there, so minor but noticable at times. The overall PQ is great, I wouldn't be too worried. =]

STARSCREAM · 02-12-2009, 08:41 AM

Not sure.

F-Man · 02-12-2009, 08:47 AM

This was done before computers, when they actually used a camera to film real drawings. Yes things can sometimes be out of focus.

STARSCREAM · 02-12-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by F-Man

This was done before computers, when they actually used a camera to film real drawings. Yes things can sometimes be out of focus.

Ahhh, bingo. Looks like there is my answer! I did not even think about that! Good info!

Robert Harris · 02-12-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSynergy

This movie is from the 50's I believe, restoration can only do so many things

Restoration has nothing to do with "focus." Sleeping Beauty was scanned from the original negative, which was fully intact.

bajor27 · 02-12-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatArtGuy

Was it during a multi-plane camera sequence? That could be your answer right there.

That's what I was thinking it might be

Joe Cain · 02-12-2009, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatArtGuy

Was it during a multi-plane camera sequence? That could be your answer right there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-Man

This was done before computers, when they actually used a camera to film real drawings. Yes things can sometimes be out of focus.

And (as ThatArtGuy alluded) multi-plane sequences frequently feature out-of-focus elements in the composition in order to mimic depth-of-field and provide flat pieces of artwork with the illusion of physical distance.

Pirate King · 02-12-2009, 12:49 PM

I have watched the movie twice and did not notice anything, so I believe that what you saw is normal. BTW I agree, the picture and audio are amazing. Walt would be proud

Ernest Rister · 02-12-2009, 01:07 PM

Just found the shot you're referencing - Aurora with animals, and the sides of the frame are bordered with tree leaves, like the camera is up in a tree looking slightly across and down at her.

It's a complicated shot, and appears to be a single multiplane setup, with the plane of the leaves over the animation of Aurora, away from us and down. The leaves are in razor sharp focus, Aurora and the animals are not. So, I'd have to guess its a non-moving multiplane glass shot.

bajor27 · 02-12-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Just found the shot you're referencing - Aurora with animals, and the sides of the frame are bordered with tree leaves, like the camera is up in a tree looking slightly across and down at her.

It's a complicated shot, and appears to be a single multiplane setup, with the plane of the leaves over the animation of Aurora, away from us and down. The leaves are in razor sharp focus, Aurora and the animals are not. So, I'd have to guess its a non-moving multiplane glass shot.

I must admit, all this multi-plane talk has me really anticipating Pinocchio.

Ernest Rister · 02-12-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bajor27

I must admit, all this multi-plane talk has me really anticipating Pinocchio.

I've seen a lot of what they've done for the Blu-Ray - you'll mostly be pleased. People aren't going to go ga-ga over the image the same way they did for Sleeping Beauty, simply because of the 4:3 aspect ratio. The look of the film is intentionally softer, anyway, and the backgrounds less complicated than Sleeping Beauty, so I'm already anticipating a lot of complaining that the image isn't as good as Sleeping Beauty.

I'll just tell you the film has never looked better. Its a release version of Pinocchio that Walt could have only dreamed of (and knowing Walt, he probably did).

Beta Man · 02-12-2009, 01:52 PM

I read a review (here perhaps? ) stating the PQ of Sleeping Beauty was too "Fake" and looked like Computer images rather than the "art" of the cells that were originally used when creating the film.....

That said, I think it looks great, but at the same time, I'm glad for the softer feel rather than it looking like the Pixar digitals.

Joe Cain · 02-12-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPSeanTaylor21

It was Unremarkable PQ...

Hardly.

Clark Kent · 02-12-2009, 04:31 PM

Sleeping Beauty on Blu-ray is simply stunning and a high watermark for animation released so far on the format. What you are seeing is a direct result of the original photography when they made the movie. Unlike today where they would scan the animation cels digitally, it was shot on film as that was the best technology of the time.

ryoohki · 02-12-2009, 06:48 PM

This happen a lot of time in Pre Computer Era. Any 2D animation shot on film can suffer from this..

02-12-2009, 07:35 AM	#1
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	Sleeping Beauty pq question Hey guys, I just got done watching Sleeping Beauty and just like everyone else was astounded by the pq and the aq was great as well. The colors and animation are unreal!! . I do have a question though, I was wondering why there were some scenes/moments that appeared outta focus/blurry on certain parts of the pic or character. To clarify, the whole pic is not like that but just certain parts like an animal or its face. For example, at timestamp 28 min. when she is sitting with animals in forest if you watch scene the animals in middle of screen are blurry/outta focus looking especially their faces. This occurs in other scenes as well but in alot of scenes everything looks crystal clear. I was just wondering why this is since it is animation I wondered why some of it looked outta focus.?

02-12-2009, 07:50 AM	#3
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	Thanks for checking it out. At first I thought I was going crazy, then I threw in some other Blu's just to reassure myself it wasn't my equipment jacking up and they all looked fine, and then I came on here to look for any info on it but didn't see anybody saying anything about it. I just found it ackward since its animation and it threw me off. Plus, everyone raves about its pq (and deservedly so) but nobody mentions this. Oh, I might have put the wrong timestamp. Can't remember now but it's somewhere in there around 25-29 min. There is plenty of other instances were I noticed this as well though. Sometimes it was like only one animal or something on the whole screen that was like that. Last edited by STARSCREAM; 02-12-2009 at 07:53 AM.

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02-12-2009, 07:46 AM	#2
Twankies08 Senior Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Panama City, Florida Blu-ray collection:168 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:18	Yeah I was wondering the same thing because I was watching it and some of it was kinda blurry but I played it from the 28 stamp like you said starscream and I can see what your talking about

02-12-2009, 08:29 AM	#5
ThatArtGuy Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Blu-ray collection:242 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:1	Was it during a multi-plane camera sequence? That could be your answer right there.

02-12-2009, 08:40 AM	#6
TheSynergy Junior Member Member since:Mar 2008	This movie is from the 50's I believe, restoration can only do so many things, there may be small things like that, hell even in the Godfather there are small artifacts here and there, so minor but noticable at times. The overall PQ is great, I wouldn't be too worried. =]

02-12-2009, 08:41 AM	#7
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	Not sure.

02-12-2009, 08:47 AM	#8
F-Man Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2008 Home Theater Gallery:1 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:282 Trading Score:1	This was done before computers, when they actually used a camera to film real drawings. Yes things can sometimes be out of focus.

02-12-2009, 12:49 PM	#13
Pirate King Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Texas Home Theater Gallery:25 Blu-ray collection:1851 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I have watched the movie twice and did not notice anything, so I believe that what you saw is normal. BTW I agree, the picture and audio are amazing. Walt would be proud

02-12-2009, 01:07 PM	#14
Ernest Rister Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:100 Blu-ray collection:590 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Just found the shot you're referencing - Aurora with animals, and the sides of the frame are bordered with tree leaves, like the camera is up in a tree looking slightly across and down at her. It's a complicated shot, and appears to be a single multiplane setup, with the plane of the leaves over the animation of Aurora, away from us and down. The leaves are in razor sharp focus, Aurora and the animals are not. So, I'd have to guess its a non-moving multiplane glass shot.

02-12-2009, 01:52 PM	#17
Beta Man Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Juuuuuuuust A Bit Outside.... Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:268 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:25	I read a review (here perhaps? ) stating the PQ of Sleeping Beauty was too "Fake" and looked like Computer images rather than the "art" of the cells that were originally used when creating the film..... That said, I think it looks great, but at the same time, I'm glad for the softer feel rather than it looking like the Pixar digitals.

02-12-2009, 04:31 PM	#19
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Sleeping Beauty on Blu-ray is simply stunning and a high watermark for animation released so far on the format. What you are seeing is a direct result of the original photography when they made the movie. Unlike today where they would scan the animation cels digitally, it was shot on film as that was the best technology of the time.

02-12-2009, 06:48 PM	#20
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	This happen a lot of time in Pre Computer Era. Any 2D animation shot on film can suffer from this..

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