me I am a LCD man and always will be one. have a samsung LN46A650 & T240HD had to get that out first
I know this will be a battle brawl but don't kill me are plasma dead they just don't know it yet.
plasma manufaturing is going down down in the US at circuit city the plasma are 35% off but LCD are only 25%
at best buy on 40" and up LCD have 69 models and plasma only 29 models.
here is a small list of manufacturers that at best buy you can't buy plasma.
sony
sharp
RCA
toshiba
sylvania
mitsubishi
and these two are stoping all production of plasma now.
pioneer
vizio
this is one of the only companies backing plasma 99.9% but even they have a new line of LCD.
panasonic
if we can get samsung to stop plasma production LCD can win like Blu-ray over HD-DVD and someday over DVD
Last edited by mustang-gt-2002; 02-18-2009 at 02:49 PM.
I don't think plasma's will die any time soon. Panasonic and Samsung will continue to make these televisions and there are a handful of high-end plasma television manufacturers.
I was not surprised by vizio backing out of the plasma market, not really a market for a low cost brand especially when trying to compete against Panasonics affordable lines. I was very distressed to hear that Pioneer was pulling out of the plasma market, but I don't imagine they were selling nearly as many televisions as Panasonic of Samsung.
I will continue to buy Plasma until OLED proves it's place in the market.
this is one battle where nothing good would come out of either losing. So I don't know why you want that. Also where did you here that Pioneer was stopping making plasma's?
I can't wait till oled becomes more mainstream with bigger sizes and affordable prices.
Those are the only sets that are better than Plasmas. It will be a number of years before there's a 50" OLED for $2,000 (it will be more like $6,000+). I hope there here in at least the next 3yrs, unfortunaley that's probably just wishful thinking...
I just don't understand why people think LCDs are better than plasmas. I was gung-ho on getting an LCD and then I was shown the light. Every Plasma I have seen that is supposed to be that LCDs equivalent is much better. You don't have uniformity issues. Blacks are much better, with the exception of LED LCD, and the picture on the whole has much more depth to it. If you own an LCD because of room conditions, I can understand that, but for less money, you can have a better product.
To start new threads, at a bare minimum, some base level of linguistic skills should be mandatory around here. Reading the OP's thread title and post gave me a migraine.
That’s funny – in 20 years when most of us have OLED’s or some other new technology you’ll be stuck with the worst TV technology on the market, haha.
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are plasma dead they just don't know it yet.
The answer of course is no, neither is LCD, both will be around for quite some time.
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plasma manufaturing is going down
Actually plasma was the only technology in North America to see an increase in shipments in Q4/08, setting a record for the technology in a single quarter. Plasma was also up more in shipments over the year over LCD in percentages.
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down in the US at circuit city the plasma are 35% off but LCD are only 25%
at best buy on 40" and up LCD have 69 models and plasma only 29 models.
Wow, that’s some pretty powerful arguments you have there! Not!
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and these two are stoping all production of plasma now.
pioneer
vizio
Together they make up less than 10% of the PDP market.
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this is one of the only companies backing plasma 99.9% but even they have a new line of LCD.
Panasonic
Panasonic has had LCD’s for years and years. They bring out new LCD and plasma lines every year.
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if we can get samsung to stop plasma production LCD can win like Blu-ray over HD-DVD and someday over DVD
That’s a pretty stupid analogy I have to say. HDTV adoption is not at risk by having competing technologies, Blu-ray Disc was.
With all the hubbub about the "doomed" plasma market, I think it's important to keep things in perspective and see what the numbers actually say.
Display Search's 2008 numbers show that for the first time ever LCD shipments were down over the previous year, albeit only by 2%. This is likely shortlived due to the economy.
Plasma managed a 10% increase over 2008 in North America with a 28% increase in the 4th quarter.
AUSTIN, TEXAS, February 12, 2008—As the US economy deteriorated in Q4’08 and concerns about consumer spending for the holidays increased, shipments of TV sets in North America fell 7% to 10.7M units according to preliminary results from DisplaySearch. Retailers were careful to avoid an inventory hangover, so they reduced orders to manufacturers in anticipation of weaker demand. As expected, shipments of LCD TVs, the most popular TV technology, fell on a Y/Y basis for the first time ever, from 8.9M units in Q4’07 to 8.7M in Q4’08. In contrast, shipments of plasma TVs, which are typically cheaper than similarly-sized LCD TVs, increased by 28% Q/Q and 10% Y/Y. The PDP shipment total of 1.3M units was a new record for quarterly shipments.
Some additional highlights for the quarter include
North America LCD TV shipments increased by 9% Q/Q due to seasonal effects, but excessive inventory heading into Q4’08 and weaker demand during the 2008 holiday season led to the first-ever Y/Y quarterly shipment decline, falling 2% to 8.7M units. This was stronger than the projected 8% decline, however, as aggressive discounting at retail kept sell-through unit volume higher; the impact on revenues will be more severe. Some of the best deals during the holidays were for 40-52” screen sizes, so the 40”+ share of LCD TV shipments rose from 30% in Q3’08 to 37% in Q4’08, as consumers snapped up bargains.
Plasma TV shipments were expected to be less impacted by increased consumer price sensitivity, given their less expensive price points compared to similar LCD TV sizes and resolutions. However, the holiday season saw stronger-than-expected demand for these sets, as prices for 50” models fell below $1000 for the first time. Plasma TV shipments increased 28% Q/Q and 10% Y/Y to a record of more than 1.3M units, and plasma was the only TV technology to see Y/Y shipment growth in Q4’08.
Samsung had the #1 overall flat-panel TV unit share for the sixth straight quarter, up to more than 20% for the first time. Samsung’s strong flat-panel TV share can be attributed to success in both LCD and plasma market segments, ranking #1 and #2, respectively. Samsung had the weakest Q/Q growth of the top five flat panel TV brands, but had the second-strongest Y/Y growth and significantly outperformed all other flat-panel TV brands in 2008 as a whole.
Sony was #2 in combined flat panel TV share at 14.2%, a 3 point share gain from Q3’08, on 29% Q/Q unit shipment growth. Sony sells only LCD TVs in the consumer market, like Sharp, so their combined flat panel TV share is actually only LCD TVs. Sony’s Q4’08 LCD TV unit share was 16.3%, the highest at any time during the past three years.
Vizio returned to #3 in overall flat-panel TV unit share, increasing from 9.0% to 12.3%, the biggest unit share gain among the top five brands. Strong shipment growth in LCD TVs offset a decline in plasma TV shipments, particularly above 40”. Vizio had the strongest Q/Q shipment growth in LCD TV among the top brands and ranked #3 in both LCD TV and plasma TV technologies.
Display Search also predicts other markets will come in to play outside of the consumer market to provide growth in both plasma and LCD markets, despite overall predictions for both technologies still being down over previous economies.
As the worldwide economy shifts from consumer to business spending, many advertisers have had their ad dollars cut severely, and are looking to target their message to their new core audience, the B2B buyer. With more business being done locally and more professionals seeking alternate means of transportation to save money, mass transit is becoming more attractive, especially in major metropolitan areas. Dynamic digital displays on rail platforms and other transportation hubs allow advertisers to focus on business professionals without having to rely on mass-media to reach captive audiences.
Conversely, consumers are staying close to home and opting to go to the movies rather than on vacation. This trend is leading many movie theaters to overhaul their signage with electronic menu boards, dual-function electronic displays that can tie into POS systems to help concessionaires promote what is readily available in stock, while allowing advertisements for unrelated products.
In terms of technology growth, both LCD and plasma are set to see year-on-year growth in deployments in commercial spaces. However, production investments in LCD technology and its cost competitiveness against plasma, especially in key 32- to 42-inch sizes, will allow LCD to continue to outpace plasma-based solutions. For larger sizes, however, the battle continues, as plasma has a cost advantage, but new thin bezel LCD displays allow for almost seamless video walls.
So try and ignore the doom and gloom articles, these are the same people forecasting the death of Blu-ray and the PS3 for almost three years.
I just don't understand why people think LCDs are better than plasmas. I was gung-ho on getting an LCD and then I was shown the light. Every Plasma I have seen that is supposed to be that LCDs equivalent is much better. You don't have uniformity issues. Blacks are much better, with the exception of LED LCD, and the picture on the whole has much more depth to it. If you own an LCD because of room conditions, I can understand that, but for less money, you can have a better product.
Where did any one say this in this thread? And besides "Sonny" was talking about OLED LCD's.... I don't think you need to prove your point on which is better, they both have their pro's and they both have their con's...
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If plasma is going away, s'plain why the Pioneer Kuro Pro Elite has been the #1 rated TV for 2 years running.
Did you read any of the articles? Just do a Google search and you will have your answer in about 5 minutes...
That’s funny – in 20 years when most of us have OLED’s or some other new technology you’ll be stuck with the worst TV technology on the market, haha.
Why does this instantly have to start a war between LCD's and Plasma's????
dobyblue, honestly how can you make a claim like that? How do you know something won't be better than OLED's in 20 years??? Who knows maybe by then you'll be the one watching your praised OLED and we'll be watching holographic TV's or something.
Vizio didn't need to be in the plasma game anyway. They are a low end, entry level LCD manufacturer and great for those on a tight budget. That's why they are sold at Walmart. It makes perfect sense for them to stop production.
Pioneer, were the total opposite of that. They were the high-end plasma. I think many consumers fall somewhere in the middle. I know I do.
I almost bought an LCD and I knew it was either going to be a Sony or a Samsung and 40". I read some threads here and was convinced to look at a plasma, specifically a Panasonic. For me, there is simply no comparison and [it's my opinion that] for movie lovers, there's no choice but a plasma.
I've had my Panny 50PZ80U for about 2 and a half months. I have a bigger tv than I thought I'd ever be able to afford and the best part is I got it for under $1200 shipped.
Why does this instantly have to start a war between LCD's and Plasma's????
dobyblue, honestly how can you make a claim like that? How do you know something won't be better than OLED's in 20 years??? Who knows maybe by then you'll be the one watching your praised OLED and we'll be watching holographic TV's or something.
You don't have to be rude to prove a point...
Praised OLED? What are you on about? Where do I go about praising OLED's.
I said OLED "or some other new technology" - if that's OLED, holographic, SED, whatever!
This thread is facetious at best, I simply responded in kind and wasn't rude about it either, but satirical. If you're wondering what might start a war between LCD's and plasma's....read the first post!!!!
In 20 years hopefully Pioneer will have returned to the plasma market and I'll be watching the new PRO-195FD signature model with infinite contrast technology.
It is odd that you chose to ignore everything else in my post.
Praised OLED? What are you on about? Where do I go about praising OLED's.
I said OLED "or some other new technology" - if that's OLED, holographic, SED, whatever!
This thread is facetious at best, I simply responded in kind and wasn't rude about it either, but satirical. If you're wondering what might start a war between LCD's and plasma's....read the first post!!!!
Correct you got me there, you did say or some other new technology. But just because he is a LCD man now doesn't mean he cant change his mind...
Also I have read the first post!!! He was only stating some fact's or claimed facts, but not trying to start a war over it... Except the last line, but that is only his opinion...
But, let me step out of this one. I don't want to get involved. I love technology what ever it maybe LCD, Plasma, OLED whatever. I just get what I can afford and settle with that...
It all depends on the consumers preferences. Both have thier advantages and disadvantages over one another. I bought a LCD over a plasma because on occasions I like to watch/streamline movies via my VGA cable to my LCD. Can't do that with plasma. Both are great technologies. But before plasma dies out, I think DLP with die out before plasma.
me I am a LCD man and always will be one. have a samsung LN46A650 & T240HD had to get that out first
I know this will be a battle brawl but don't kill me are plasma dead they just don't know it yet.
plasma manufaturing is going down down in the US at circuit city the plasma are 35% off but LCD are only 25%
at best buy on 40" and up LCD have 69 models and plasma only 29 models.
here is a small list of manufacturers that at best buy you can't buy plasma.
sony
sharp
RCA
toshiba
sylvania
mitsubishi
and these two are stoping all production of plasma now.
pioneer
vizio
this is one of the only companies backing plasma 99.9% but even they have a new line of LCD.
panasonic
if we can get samsung to stop plasma production LCD can win like Blu-ray over HD-DVD and someday over DVD
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are plasma dead they just don't know it yet
had to get that out first
are plasma dead they just don't know it yet.
And besides "Sonny" was talking about OLED LCD's.... I don't think you need to prove your point on which is better, they both have their pro's and they both have their con's... 
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