How much longer till we have 8k movies - Blu-ray Forum

Jim Pez · 05-28-2019, 08:22 AM

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

partridge · 05-28-2019, 10:10 AM

8K is about tv companies trying to outdo each other, it's certainly not about us consumers!

The vast majority of content out there is still HD and will be for a while yet, I don't even know if 4k would ever become the norm for tv? HD is good enough for tv shows, only nature programmes really benefit from 4k/HDR, though sport looks good too.

Everything you watch on an 8K set will be upscaled, if you're ok with that then great, but 8K is not needed by anyone (IMO)

slimdude · 05-28-2019, 10:11 AM

I wouldn't focus too much on 8K right now because, there is no 8K content available at all, and it won't be for a very long time. Satellite and cable companies are still trying to adapt and broadcast in 4K, lest than 8K for that matter. 8K TVs are on the market for the early adopters, who always want to be the first to have the latest and the greatest of every new technology, and to pay an arm, leg and a foot for it, whether if the content is available or not. Personally I haven't even thought about 8K, and I'm not going to.

Nitroboy · 05-28-2019, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Pez

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

Fake 8K mind you

brian9229 · 05-28-2019, 10:43 AM

No interest beyond 4K whatsoever.

78deluxe · 05-28-2019, 11:29 AM

Only interest in 8k is if they add a 3D spec that enables passiclve 4k 3D along with 1080P 3D.

Hopefully that will see the light of day. Will use my 4k 3D OLED until it dies (hopefully never).

ronboster · 05-28-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Pez

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2&highlight=8k

Blu MacReady · 05-28-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Pez

I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

What! They didn’t wait for you? Swines!

jblank · 05-28-2019, 01:47 PM

Hopefully a VERY long time. You're going to need a 100' screen to even make it noticeable. It's simply not practical, 4K is more than adequate plus TV channels aren't even taking advantage of 4K yet.

DJJez · 05-28-2019, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by partridge

8K is about tv companies trying to outdo each other, it's certainly not about us consumers!

The vast majority of content out there is still HD and will be for a while yet, I don't even know if 4k would ever become the norm for tv? HD is good enough for tv shows, only nature programmes really benefit from 4k/HDR, though sport looks good too.

Everything you watch on an 8K set will be upscaled, if you're ok with that then great, but 8K is not needed by anyone (IMO)

exactly. thats all it is. a damn competition between the tv companies when 4k is still so new

AKORIS · 05-28-2019, 02:10 PM

as far as physical media............. never.

nick4Knight · 05-28-2019, 02:10 PM

In terms of Hollywood forever could be an option... There is no reason to go to 8K but there is benefit to MASTERING in 8K and then authoring to disc at 4K. Supersampled images are usually always better than native ones.

"8K movies" might be a thing in future on streaming. But again that will be a compromised compressed image so really what is the point when you could just deliver a less compressed 4K stream from an 8K master?

Unless you are talking about a commercial theatre screen sizes could never take advantage of the 8K resolution. I just think this is a non-starter for the industry. 8K content is only gonna be in the TV/streaming space to sell TV's. Not to sell quality film and digital shot movie content. Which is what 4K UHD is doing right now. It's aiming for a benchmark. And hitting it most times!

dcowboy7 · 05-28-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by slimdude

I wouldn't focus too much on 8K right now because, there is no 8K content available at all, and it won't be for a very long time.

If i search on 8k videos it finds them - are you saying they arent really 8k ??

gkolb · 05-28-2019, 05:48 PM

They could be. NHK currently shows 8K content for a few hours every day in Japan.

Pretty sure there is some other true 8K content out there.

jibucha · 05-28-2019, 07:14 PM

8K :: it's coming (already here?)

Japan :: do you really 'believe' that this is a 'passing fad'?

or, 'the early stages of - what is to come'?

8K (consumer displays) :: make a lot of sense (especially 65" and up)

scaling (advanced algorithms/processors) will 'enhance' all lower resolution content as viewed

'native 8K content' ::that's an unknown (at this point in time) as to 'just when it will become available' (although already so, in Japan)

in closing, i look forward to when i will own an 8K display

HeavyHitter · 05-28-2019, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brian9229

No interest beyond 4K whatsoever.

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

JohnAV · 05-28-2019, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

Until they offer 8K games common place to the masses forget about it. Yes they do exist but the setup is hefty in requirements.

nick4Knight · 05-28-2019, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

People had said the same about 4K and even 1080p.

But barely anyone knew about HDR/WCG would be tied into 4K until around 2014 or 2015 really. I guess the industry could try to append some amazing new standard of contemporary filmmaking artificially to 8K but it won't be on disc, still. That much we know because of space reasons so far is limited.

Whereas in the 2K/blu-ray days a) we knew 4K was a thing... (4K DCP/DI, not to mention "sony mastered in 4K" series), and b) we knew that 66, 100 and 128GB disc space was a thing blu-ray disc had up it's sleeve.

You don't have those similarities yet. Again, the industry could tie some next gen movie making PQ/AQ improvements artificially pushing them only to an 8K spec? But that is not something we can foresee yet.

Lee A Stewart · 05-28-2019, 10:35 PM

I believe that the content creators have had enough of trying to stay up with the TV manufacturers. TVs are now on a 5 year cycle for the "latest and greatest" which is way too short of a time period for the content creators. Sure - they will and have already embraced 8K cameras but as stated - strictly for down-sampling to 4K/2K. They are just getting a handle on 4K HDR/WCG. No way will they do another expensive upgrade to their workflow for at least another 10 years.

Japan decided long ago to skip over 4K and go right to 8K. If you want to see 8K content on an 8K TV . . . move to Japan. Bon Voyage!

sapiendut · 05-28-2019, 10:39 PM

Japan have been working on 8K since HD days, so it’s not about manufacturers outdoing one another. Even at CES 8K was shown literally one year before 4K was released to the public.

05-28-2019, 08:22 AM	#1
Jim Pez Senior Member Member since:Aug 2016 4K collection:285 Blu-ray collection:760 DVD collection:6	How much longer till we have 8k movies I don't even have a 4k player yet and already Samsung has an 8k tv.

05-28-2019, 07:14 PM	#15
jibucha Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:45	8K :: it's coming (already here?) 8K :: it's coming (already here?) Japan :: do you really 'believe' that this is a 'passing fad'? or, 'the early stages of - what is to come'? 8K (consumer displays) :: make a lot of sense (especially 65" and up) scaling (advanced algorithms/processors) will 'enhance' all lower resolution content as viewed 'native 8K content' ::that's an unknown (at this point in time) as to 'just when it will become available' (although already so, in Japan) in closing, i look forward to when i will own an 8K display

05-28-2019, 10:10 AM	#2
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	8K is about tv companies trying to outdo each other, it's certainly not about us consumers! The vast majority of content out there is still HD and will be for a while yet, I don't even know if 4k would ever become the norm for tv? HD is good enough for tv shows, only nature programmes really benefit from 4k/HDR, though sport looks good too. Everything you watch on an 8K set will be upscaled, if you're ok with that then great, but 8K is not needed by anyone (IMO)

05-28-2019, 10:11 AM	#3
slimdude Banned Member since:Apr 2009 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:8	I wouldn't focus too much on 8K right now because, there is no 8K content available at all, and it won't be for a very long time. Satellite and cable companies are still trying to adapt and broadcast in 4K, lest than 8K for that matter. 8K TVs are on the market for the early adopters, who always want to be the first to have the latest and the greatest of every new technology, and to pay an arm, leg and a foot for it, whether if the content is available or not. Personally I haven't even thought about 8K, and I'm not going to.

05-28-2019, 10:43 AM	#5
brian9229 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Vermont / Steelbook™ - 481 4K collection:411 Blu-ray collection:1553 DVD collection:71 Digital collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:59	No interest beyond 4K whatsoever.

05-28-2019, 11:29 AM	#6
78deluxe Power Member Member since:Jan 2016 4K collection:113 Blu-ray collection:2385 DVD collection:442 MA collection:5 Digital collection:25 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:1	Only interest in 8k is if they add a 3D spec that enables passiclve 4k 3D along with 1080P 3D. Hopefully that will see the light of day. Will use my 4k 3D OLED until it dies (hopefully never).

05-28-2019, 01:47 PM	#9
jblank Power Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Bristol, Tennessee 4K collection:283 Blu-ray collection:373 Trading Score:131	Hopefully a VERY long time. You're going to need a 100' screen to even make it noticeable. It's simply not practical, 4K is more than adequate plus TV channels aren't even taking advantage of 4K yet.

05-28-2019, 02:10 PM	#11
AKORIS Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Beautiful Pacific Northwest 4K collection:662 Blu-ray collection:3655 Blu-ray reviews:19	as far as physical media............. never.

05-28-2019, 02:10 PM	#12
nick4Knight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Perth, Australia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:386 Blu-ray collection:716	In terms of Hollywood forever could be an option... There is no reason to go to 8K but there is benefit to MASTERING in 8K and then authoring to disc at 4K. Supersampled images are usually always better than native ones. "8K movies" might be a thing in future on streaming. But again that will be a compromised compressed image so really what is the point when you could just deliver a less compressed 4K stream from an 8K master? Unless you are talking about a commercial theatre screen sizes could never take advantage of the 8K resolution. I just think this is a non-starter for the industry. 8K content is only gonna be in the TV/streaming space to sell TV's. Not to sell quality film and digital shot movie content. Which is what 4K UHD is doing right now. It's aiming for a benchmark. And hitting it most times!

05-28-2019, 05:48 PM	#14
gkolb Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2012 Location:Bakersfield, CA 4K collection:980 Blu-ray collection:2942 DVD collection:273	They could be. NHK currently shows 8K content for a few hours every day in Japan. Pretty sure there is some other true 8K content out there.

05-28-2019, 10:35 PM	#19
Lee A Stewart Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jan 2019 Location:Albuquerque, NM	I believe that the content creators have had enough of trying to stay up with the TV manufacturers. TVs are now on a 5 year cycle for the "latest and greatest" which is way too short of a time period for the content creators. Sure - they will and have already embraced 8K cameras but as stated - strictly for down-sampling to 4K/2K. They are just getting a handle on 4K HDR/WCG. No way will they do another expensive upgrade to their workflow for at least another 10 years. Japan decided long ago to skip over 4K and go right to 8K. If you want to see 8K content on an 8K TV . . . move to Japan. Bon Voyage!

05-28-2019, 10:39 PM	#20
sapiendut Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Canada 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:3	Japan have been working on 8K since HD days, so it’s not about manufacturers outdoing one another. Even at CES 8K was shown literally one year before 4K was released to the public.

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