Benioff and Weiss Dismissed By HBO

[kemcha]

The fallout from the disastrous Games of Thrones Season 8 continues. While they inked a $250 million contract from Netflix, HBO has passed on the Games of Thrones duo and have no plans on continuing to work with the duo and that their Star Wars deal may be up in the air, with the latest report indicating how that they have scaled back and are only working on the first new film in their Star Wars trilogy, with the others being handled by others.

It remains to be seen whether Netflix will re-evaluate their deal with the pair and what will happen with their Star Wars trilogy.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/...up-in-the-air/
http://collider.com/star-wars-new-trilogy-update/

[pi2loc]

Not surprising.

However, they still managed to seal a $250 million deal with Netflix. How and why? I don't know and at this point I don't care. I never thought they were incredible writers to begin with. They adapted GRRM books pretty well but once they ran out of original material to adapt, their 'talent' was proven to be subpar.

[EvaDK]

It seems pretty clear that the duo was in a hurry to leave GOT behind, so they could get started on scripting + pre-production on Star Wars - back when a new SW trilogy was most likely planned for theatrical release in 2021 and on wards.

Don't know if I would call GOT S8 disastrous though, that's a very strong word. Underwhelming, for sure.

[duggie walker]

Yeah, more distortion.

HBO didn't pass on them, per se. They passed on paying them the nine figure sum they were asking for. Netflix agreed to it. They call it negotiation.

I've no feelings about these guys one way or the other. I thought the last season of GOT was fine but I'm not a big enough fan to feel personally hurt by their decisions. Ditto for Star Wars. But to paint them as being somehow "rejected" is fanciful.

They asked for nine figures, they got it. They won.

[kemcha]

I never saw the appeal of The Game of Thrones. I enjoyed the novels but that was about it. Personally, I thought that Game of Thrones was over-hyped and that was a major turn-off for me which makes me not want to see it. This doesn't just happen with TV shows but also with movies. It's why I didn't bother going to see The Sixth Sense with Bruce Willis or Interstellar with Matthew McConaughey or Inception with Leonardo DiCrapio.

I'm just always under the idea that if a studio thinks they need to overhype a movie, make it more than what it seems, that it often kills whatever interest I might have in that movie. The problem I always have is that the marketing for any movie or any television series never, and I mean NEVER, lives up to the hype being put out there by the distribution company or the production studio and that they try too hard to sell their content to the viewing public.

There are a lot of movies, franchises and TV shows that I have enjoyed that I never needed some production studio to sell me on how good it is. When the original Independence Day movie came out, the first Matrix movie with Keanu Reeves and even an animated feature called Lilo and Stitch. These were all great movies that didn't need someone trying to oversell the concept to me, as a movie fan.

Movies and television shows don't need to be oversold if they are good on their own merits. There have also been many other TV shows that I have enjoyed. Such as Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, Eureka, Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, Dark Matter, The Expanse. These shows also didn't need to be oversold as they stood fine on their own because they were good.

Game of Thrones, I don't know. I just didn't like how hard the production studio and HBO were pushing the series out there. I also don't like it when some production studio starts adapting a movie or a television series from its original source before that source has even completed telling the story. With a fantasy novel series like Game of Thrones, it was just too early for HBO to adapt that before George R.R. Martin was finished with his saga. I think Dragonrider's of Pern should have been adapted before Game of Thrones because there are just so many novels to draw upon. It's also like Terry Brooks "Shannara" series, that has many novels out there to which a production studio could produce into infinity. I think many production studios have tried to get the "Pern" series adapted for many years and the most recent efforts to bring it to the screen expired.

I think the last good series that HBO produced that I really enjoyed was Black Sails. The character were so rich and there was a lot of good storytelling there. Something that is lacking in a lot of movies and TV shows that have come along since then.

Who knows, maybe HBO will wise up and adapt the Dragonrider's of Pern, with around 30 novels already published (not to mention a lot of stories to draw upon). There's also Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series.

[Todd Tomorrow]

They actually ditched HBO for a far more lucrative deal with Netflix, possibly after the concept of Confederate didn’t go down that well on social media. Fan bias will always beat facts though won’t it ? They idea that this is some fallout due to season 8 of GoT and that Benioff & Weiss were “dismissed” by HBO is toxic-fan-wishfulfilment rather than anything to do with facts. HBO needs show runners like them them far more than they need HBO.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/8/20...ame-of-thrones

[oilers73]

I don't know who they are, and I don't care.

[octagon]

Boy, those two just can't catch a break.

[Farerb]

Netflix made a mistake, they should have went after GRRM and get the rights to his other stories instead of these hacks, but whatever... They are probably gonna be irrelevant anyway after every major studio launches its streaming service.

[stvn1974]

Benioff and Weiss had a lot of nerve coming up with that ending for Game Of Thrones. Damon Lindelof already perfected the terrible television show finale.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by kemcha

The fallout from the disastrous Games of Thrones Season 8 continues. While they inked a $250 million contract from Netflix, HBO has passed on the Games of Thrones duo and have no plans on continuing to work with the duo and that their Star Wars deal may be up in the air, with the latest report indicating how that they have scaled back and are only working on the first new film in their Star Wars trilogy, with the others being handled by others.

It remains to be seen whether Netflix will re-evaluate their deal with the pair and what will happen with their Star Wars trilogy.

Fallout? More like falling into a vat of cash.

These two are hottest property in Tinseltown, as the deal with Netflix, who beat out Amazon, Disney and HBO, and at one time, Apple, for their next projects, was just inked.

Their Star Wars deal is golden, as they are responsible for the first film post-Skywalker. They are following the same model as GoT, the biggest serialization in history, by assigning directors as they write and produce the trilogy.

[MosHighDef]

[MosHighDef]

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

They actually ditched HBO for a far more lucrative deal with Netflix, possibly after the concept of Confederate didn’t go down that well on social media. Fan bias will always beat facts though won’t it ? They idea that this is some fallout due to season 8 of GoT and that Benioff & Weiss were “dismissed” by HBO is toxic-fan-wishfulfilment rather than anything to do with facts. HBO needs show runners like them them far more than they need HBO.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/8/20...ame-of-thrones

This.

You guys go ahead and spout off whatever BS makes you feel good, though.

[Destinys Memory]

Benioff/Weiss: "We've signed a new $300 million deal with Netflix and will produce content for them."

The Internet: "OMG! HBO just DESTROYED Benioff and Weiss! How will they ever SURVIVE being FIRED?! Will Netflix FIRE THEM next?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUL7...ature=youtu.be

[Cremildo]

I bet roughly 100% of entertainment industry people would like to be in their shoes right now: successful, filthy rich, with a promising future at Disney and Netflix.

[BluProofie]

I get that people are still angry at them for a TV show(it’s been 3 months, move on) but they very clearly weren’t “dismissed” by HBO. They got a huge deal at Netflix.

[maxpower1]

Originally Posted by kemcha

I never saw the appeal of The Game of Thrones. I enjoyed the novels but that was about it. Personally, I thought that Game of Thrones was over-hyped and that was a major turn-off for me which makes me not want to see it. This doesn't just happen with TV shows but also with movies. It's why I didn't bother going to see The Sixth Sense with Bruce Willis or Interstellar with Matthew McConaughey or Inception with Leonardo DiCrapio.

I'm just always under the idea that if a studio thinks they need to overhype a movie, make it more than what it seems, that it often kills whatever interest I might have in that movie. The problem I always have is that the marketing for any movie or any television series never, and I mean NEVER, lives up to the hype being put out there by the distribution company or the production studio and that they try too hard to sell their content to the viewing public.

There are a lot of movies, franchises and TV shows that I have enjoyed that I never needed some production studio to sell me on how good it is. When the original Independence Day movie came out, the first Matrix movie with Keanu Reeves and even an animated feature called Lilo and Stitch. These were all great movies that didn't need someone trying to oversell the concept to me, as a movie fan.

Movies and television shows don't need to be oversold if they are good on their own merits. There have also been many other TV shows that I have enjoyed. Such as Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, Eureka, Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, Dark Matter, The Expanse. These shows also didn't need to be oversold as they stood fine on their own because they were good.

Game of Thrones, I don't know. I just didn't like how hard the production studio and HBO were pushing the series out there. I also don't like it when some production studio starts adapting a movie or a television series from its original source before that source has even completed telling the story. With a fantasy novel series like Game of Thrones, it was just too early for HBO to adapt that before George R.R. Martin was finished with his saga. I think Dragonrider's of Pern should have been adapted before Game of Thrones because there are just so many novels to draw upon. It's also like Terry Brooks "Shannara" series, that has many novels out there to which a production studio could produce into infinity. I think many production studios have tried to get the "Pern" series adapted for many years and the most recent efforts to bring it to the screen expired.

I think the last good series that HBO produced that I really enjoyed was Black Sails. The character were so rich and there was a lot of good storytelling there. Something that is lacking in a lot of movies and TV shows that have come along since then.

Who knows, maybe HBO will wise up and adapt the Dragonrider's of Pern, with around 30 novels already published (not to mention a lot of stories to draw upon). There's also Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series.

Not sure I understand the reasoning. Most fans of anything won't let something like advertising hype affect their interest to the point of completely avoiding checking it out for themselves. And I think most of the shows you mentioned were actually pretty well hyped (independence day, DEFINITELY hyped, superbowl ad 6 months before release), so maybe you are selectively observing what you consider hype.

Some people seem to have such a vendetta over this GOT thing to post slanted threads like this. It was just a show, had a great run, some parts at the end got rushed and could have been better under other circumstances, but we got what we got. Like it or don't and move on. I could care less what happens to the producers, good or bad. Some here act like they killed your dog.

[kemcha]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Fallout? More like falling into a vat of cash.

These two are hottest property in Tinseltown, as the deal with Netflix, who beat out Amazon, Disney and HBO, and at one time, Apple, for their next projects, was just inked.

Well, the ink isn't dried on that contract just yet and I'm sure media companies like Netflix have clauses written into the contract that allow them to terminate. But, it's a matter of wait and see. I think Netflix is going to find out fast just how much of a hack these two are. Wait until they turn in their first script. But, I would hazard a guess to say that if Disney/Lucasfilm parts ways with these two then expect Netflix to follow soon afterwards.

Originally Posted by maxpower1;

Not sure I understand the reasoning. Most fans of anything won't let something like advertising hype affect their interest to the point of completely avoiding checking it out for themselves.

Some people seem to have such a vendetta over this GOT thing to post slanted threads like this. It was just a show, had a great run, some parts at the end got rushed and could have been better under other circumstances, but we got what we got. Like it or don't and move on. I could care less what happens to the producers, good or bad. Some here act like they killed your dog.

Hate to say it but most fans do. It really is inappropriate to say "most fans" because you really don't know and I doubt "most fans" are online. When people look for recommendations, they sure as hell don't frequent message boards, they get their recommendations from consumer reviews, mostly off Amazon or they read reviews by entertainment sites and magazines. If I'm unsure of something, I surely don't rely on reviews on Blu-ray.com. That isn't a slight but rather that the professional reviews tend to be biased or slanted. It's the same impression that one gets when reading reviews off Anime News Network for recommendations on anime home video releases.

That's not to say it's a complaint but rather that their reviews are biased or slanted toward a particular something. But, what also tends to put me off is the way actors, directors, producers or studios behave.

When professionals in the entertainment industry start attacking fans in the open, such as on social media and whatnot because they don't like what people are saying, attacking them in such a vitriolic fashion is only going to convince them to boycott whatever it is you're working on or producing. Take a look at what happened after Captain Marvel was released. Brie Larson attacking fans and they responded by not only attacking the movie with their reviews but they backtracked and started sinking the reviews on The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Solo didn't need any help on that front at all since it was already a failed movie.

But, it just all starts with how hard these studios are pushing their various projects. The sci-fi and fantasy genre has always been a smaller genre of movies and television and not everyone follows it. IN the end, Hollywood needs to stop with their hard-selling and they also need to stop attacking their fans who go to the movie theaters to watch their movies. It just all goes hand in hand.

[Shingster]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

GoT, the biggest serialization in history, by assigning directors as they write and produce the trilogy.

On what planet is Game of Thrones even remotely close to being the biggest serialization in history?