After Dark Fate, do you consider Cameron is a loser? - Blu-ray Forum

BluBonnet · 11-06-2019, 04:22 PM

Given the lukewarm box-office for Terminator Dark Fate, as well as what happens in the controversial first five minutes of the movie, do you consider James Cameron a loser?

Elgie · 11-06-2019, 04:34 PM

Yeah, James, go cry to your billions of dollars.

BluBonnet · 11-06-2019, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Elgie

Yeah, James, go cry to your billions of dollars.

He'll still miss the adulation...

Al_The_Strange · 11-06-2019, 04:40 PM

No.

In fact, I don't see why Cameron's to blame for the box office performance since he didn't completely write or direct the thing. Him endorsing the movie means little to me at this point. I understand he might have done some things in the editing room, but story issues still fall on the writers (of which there are many--maybe too many) and Tim Miller.

Even then, why should anybody involved be called a loser in the first place? Cameron, Miller, the actors, the writers all made a film--that's more of a win than anything I've done with my life.

For Cameron specifically, he could make a movie as bad as The Room, but I still wouldn't label him as a "loser" precisely because of his past successes, as a filmmaker, as a deep sea explorer, and a trucker. I respect him for the mix of blue collar, scientific, and artistic experiences.

I do see how people can call him a loser based on his ego and how he might treat other people, but the same could be said for loads of other directors, artists, and famous people.

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Didn't realize Cameron had as much involvement with the story's opening.

Chaotic · 11-06-2019, 04:41 PM

It was his idea to kill of John. Thats why he's getting the blame. And he helped write the story.

Al_The_Strange · 11-06-2019, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

It was his idea to kill of John. Thats why he's getting the blame. And he helped write the story.

Thanks, I didn't realize he had that much input in the story/writing.

BluBonnet · 11-06-2019, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

In fact, I don't see why Cameron's to blame for the opening scene or the box office performance since he didn't write or direct the thing.

Cameron told the LA Times that what happens to John Connor in the movie was his idea and his alone. I don't care much, but some people are saying it ruined the franchise for them

Al_The_Strange · 11-06-2019, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Cameron told the LA Times that what happens to John Connor in the movie was his idea and his alone. I don't care much, but some people are saying it ruined the franchise for them

My mistake, I responded without realizing this. You and Chaotic set me straight.

Gosh darn that James Cameron, what a loser! How dare he write this smut! *flips a table*

BluBonnet · 11-06-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

My mistake, I responded without realizing this. You and Chaotic set me straight.

Gosh darn that James Cameron, what a loser! How dare he write this smut! *flips a table*

KJH2018 · 11-06-2019, 06:30 PM

Terminator, Aliens and Judgment Day. He's definitely no loser, though his last good film was the oscars spanking Titanic.

As for The Terminator franchise, it ends at T3 for me. Salvation was alright, miles better than Genisys. And after seeing that, along with the Dark Fate trailer I don't even want to see it about it. These new Terminator films don't even come close to the 3rd / 4th films and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as T1 / T2.

I'll wait on Dark Fate till it's on Netflix or find a cheap copy in a charity shop.

thecooldud · 11-06-2019, 08:37 PM

He's certainly done. He had a great run in the 80s and 90s but what has he done since? One terrible overhyped movie. And yeah, it is beyond bizarre that he's responsible for the biggest **** you to the Terminator series and fans imaginable.
He's just old, he's lost his fire and sold out for a bit of cash. Time to toddle off into retirement.

banthafett · 11-06-2019, 08:59 PM

A loser at making movies? No.

But he is one of the biggest dbag tools in Hollywood.

BluBonnet · 11-06-2019, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thecooldud

He's certainly done. He had a great run in the 80s and 90s but what has he done since? One terrible overhyped movie. And yeah, it is beyond bizarre that he's responsible for the biggest **** you to the Terminator series and fans imaginable.
He's just old, he's lost his fire and sold out for a bit of cash. Time to toddle off into retirement.

"A bit of cash"? You have a gift for understatement....

Britbuffguy · 11-07-2019, 12:02 AM

He was a loser when he publically dropped his wife for a Titanic cast member.

BluBonnet · 11-07-2019, 12:04 AM

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He was a loser when he publically dropped his wife for a Titanic cast member.

Oh you mean Suzy Amis? She's cute. Or was, she stopped acting.

R3P0 · 11-07-2019, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Oh you mean Suzy Amis? She's cute. Or was, she stopped acting.

No He Means Linda Hamilton for her

BluBonnet · 11-07-2019, 04:49 PM

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No He Means Linda Hamilton for her

I'm pretty sure it's Suzy, she's the one who was in Titanic.

AintNoSin · 11-07-2019, 04:53 PM

Nah. The flopping of Dark Fate just means that not even James Cameron could resurrect a franchise that had been on the decline for that long.

BluBonnet · 11-07-2019, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Nah. The flopping of Dark Fate just means that not even James Cameron could resurrect a franchise that had been on the decline for that long.

Well, that and also he's lost the Midas touch.

AintNoSin · 11-07-2019, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Well, that and also he's lost the Midas touch.

We'll see. The last film he directed made $2.7 billion.

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11-06-2019, 04:22 PM	#1
BluBonnet Blu-ray King Top contributor Member since:Oct 2009 Trading Score:1	After Dark Fate, do you consider Cameron is a loser? Given the lukewarm box-office for Terminator Dark Fate, as well as what happens in the controversial first five minutes of the movie, do you consider James Cameron a loser?

11-06-2019, 04:34 PM	#2
Elgie Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2018	Yeah, James, go cry to your billions of dollars.

11-06-2019, 04:40 PM	#4
Al_The_Strange Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Apr 2009 Location:Out there...past them trees... Home Theater Gallery:126 4K collection:1140 Blu-ray collection:4958 DVD collection:530 Digital collection:1013 Blu-ray reviews: 132 Trading Score:32	No. In fact, I don't see why Cameron's to blame for the box office performance since he didn't completely write or direct the thing. Him endorsing the movie means little to me at this point. I understand he might have done some things in the editing room, but story issues still fall on the writers (of which there are many--maybe too many) and Tim Miller. Even then, why should anybody involved be called a loser in the first place? Cameron, Miller, the actors, the writers all made a film--that's more of a win than anything I've done with my life. For Cameron specifically, he could make a movie as bad as The Room, but I still wouldn't label him as a "loser" precisely because of his past successes, as a filmmaker, as a deep sea explorer, and a trucker. I respect him for the mix of blue collar, scientific, and artistic experiences. I do see how people can call him a loser based on his ego and how he might treat other people, but the same could be said for loads of other directors, artists, and famous people. EDIT: Didn't realize Cameron had as much involvement with the story's opening.

11-06-2019, 04:41 PM	#5
Chaotic Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Denver, CO	It was his idea to kill of John. Thats why he's getting the blame. And he helped write the story.

11-06-2019, 06:30 PM	#10
KJH2018 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2018 Location:United Kingdom 4K collection:43 Blu-ray collection:476	Terminator, Aliens and Judgment Day. He's definitely no loser, though his last good film was the oscars spanking Titanic. As for The Terminator franchise, it ends at T3 for me. Salvation was alright, miles better than Genisys. And after seeing that, along with the Dark Fate trailer I don't even want to see it about it. These new Terminator films don't even come close to the 3rd / 4th films and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as T1 / T2. I'll wait on Dark Fate till it's on Netflix or find a cheap copy in a charity shop.

11-06-2019, 08:37 PM	#11
thecooldud Banned Member since:Jul 2017 Location:The interior of my own mind 4K collection:7 Blu-ray collection:928 Blu-ray reviews:1	He's certainly done. He had a great run in the 80s and 90s but what has he done since? One terrible overhyped movie. And yeah, it is beyond bizarre that he's responsible for the biggest **** you to the Terminator series and fans imaginable. He's just old, he's lost his fire and sold out for a bit of cash. Time to toddle off into retirement.

11-06-2019, 08:59 PM	#12
banthafett Senior Member Member since:Oct 2012 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	A loser at making movies? No. But he is one of the biggest dbag tools in Hollywood.

11-07-2019, 12:02 AM	#14
Britbuffguy Blu-ray Champion Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Madison, WI 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:323 DVD collection:23 Trading Score:62	He was a loser when he publically dropped his wife for a Titanic cast member.

11-07-2019, 04:53 PM	#18
AintNoSin Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Above the Convenience Store 4K collection:136 Blu-ray collection:594 DVD collection:299 Digital collection:212 iTunes collection:18	Nah. The flopping of Dark Fate just means that not even James Cameron could resurrect a franchise that had been on the decline for that long.

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