Mulan 4K UHD (1998)

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by nichart

Not necessarily or we would have Jungle Book, Cinderella and Dumbo in 4k. Yet we do have Princess and the Frog with no live action. There is no logic here.

The Jungle Book, Cinderella and Dumbo are not digital films. It's more complex than upscaling and applying HDR.
The Princess and the Frog is part of the Revival films, which is why it was released together with them.

[mysticwaterfall]

Glad to finally get confirmation of this, one of my favorite Disney movies.

[Wummyhulk]

Speaking of the Jungle Book, any news on the signature collection release?

[nichart]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

Stop stealing my face and putting it in the P.S I Love You poster.

P.S Reason I said that is because a Hercules live action remake is in talks.

But you seem like the type to scream sweet nothings into Hillary Swanks ear. Lol. Perhaps I should find a new one, been my image for the past 10 years.

It doesnt surprise me one bit about live action Hercules. I'm sure they have plans for all of them.

Originally Posted by farerb

The Jungle Book, Cinderella and Dumbo are not digital films. It's more complex than upscaling and applying HDR.
The Princess and the Frog is part of the Revival films, which is why it was released together with them.

I understand that it's not as easy as everyone thinks it is, i was just trying to point out the lack of logic to what gets upgraded v what doesn't. Better example,... I can watch The Black Cauldron in 4k on D+ which means they did an upgrade for that. And yet they didnt do classics like Jungle Book etc... They HATE The Black Cauldron.

[pikachufan1336]

I had to do a double take.
I thought this movie didn't do well on blu ray markets, despite it's popularity among millennial.

So Cinderella doesn't get a 4k but Mulan does? DId this movie skyrocket in sales all of a sudden?
Is this part of the signature collection?!?

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

I had to do a double take.
I thought this movie didn't do well on blu ray markets, despite it's popularity among millennial.

So Cinderella doesn't get a 4k but Mulan does? DId this movie skyrocket in sales all of a sudden?
Is this part of the signature collection?!?

Mulan's getting a remake, Pocahontas does not.
Mulan is a digital film, Cinderella is not.

[nichart]

Originally Posted by farerb

Mulan is a digital film, Cinderella is not.

May have digital elements, but still hand drawn animation.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by nichart

May have digital elements, but still hand drawn animation.

Point is it was completed in a computer. Being hand drawn is irrelevant.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by nichart

May have digital elements, but still hand drawn animation.

Here's the gist of what's being explained; Mulan is an inherently digital movie. It was animated digitally. Cinderella and Disney's other pre Rescuers Down Under films were animated on cels and photographed on film. There is a distinct difference between the both of these.

Also this release is clearly being timed to coincide with the remake.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Here's the gist of what's being explained; Mulan is an inherently digital movie. It was animated digitally. Cinderella and Disney's other post Rescuers Down Under films were animated on cels and photographed on film. There is a distinct difference between the both of these.

I hate to be that guy, but you mean digitally composited. To this day, almost all animation is still hand-drawn on clear sheets of paper (in Japanese referred to as Genga), which is then digitally scanned frame by frame and composited against a background, CG elements, colored in, and so on. Now, there is an increase in "webgen" animators who do stuff 100% digitally (on a tablet), but while more common in the west than Japan, it's still a really uncommon thing.

If Disney kept the original source artwork, they could re-composite it into a higher resolution, but given Mulan's vintage, I sadly doubt it.

[pikachufan1336]

I wasn't talking about digital (though I know it is). I was Curious why Disney would bother re-releasing this one. It's not that successful is it?

[hoejunter]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

I wasn't talking about digital (though I know it is). I was Curious why Disney would bother re-releasing this one. It's not that successful is it?

To cash in on the remake which is out very soon.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by pikachufan1336

I wasn't talking about digital (though I know it is). I was Curious why Disney would bother re-releasing this one. It's not that successful is it?

If it hadn't been successful, Disney wouldn't have bothered with a remake, at least not theatrically. It got a remake, it gets a 4K release.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by professorwho

I hate to be that guy, but you mean digitally composited.

Yes I am aware, I was referring to the final photography and animation process. It's digitally animated regardless if it's inked digitally or not because it's completed (animated) on a computer. It's not inked or painted physically or photographed on film. Hence, you have Rescuers Down Under labeled the first digitally animated film for example.

To this day, almost all animation is still hand-drawn on clear sheets of paper (in Japanese referred to as Genga), which is then digitally scanned frame by frame and composited against a background, CG elements, colored in, and so on. Now, there is an increase in "webgen" animators who do stuff 100% digitally (on a tablet), but while more common in the west than Japan, it's still a really uncommon thing.

They don't do it on cels, it's all scanned on paper and the linework is isolated as a part of the process before it's colored or digitally inked. (The source work from the animators is not done on a computer if you think that's what I was implying. most productions are physical art that's scanned and colored/scanned and inked and colored)

There are numerous videos detailing this process both with scanned pencil linework and digital inks. Some productions simply digitally manipulate the pencilwork and some scan pen-inked images. You'd be hard pressed to find cels in any workflow where the intention isn't to be as analog as possible; there's simply no need to use them.

If Disney kept the original source artwork, they could re-composite it into a higher resolution, but given Mulan's vintage, I sadly doubt it.

All they'd need is the final source file to re-composite which is how they've been doing their CAPS movies already. It's not an upscale of a master. There's no scanning of anything needed because that would require re-coloring it all barring backgrounds. And knowing Disney and CAPS, they probably inked it digitally too. It's a confirmed digital ink and paint setup. Likely all that physically exists are the backgrounds and animation pencils.

[Farerb]

In addition, maybe 4K releases are important to us, but IMO they're insignificant to Disney's home department, it doesn't really say anything about what film they have more appreciation for. Wreck-it Ralph was the first WDAS film to be released on 4K ffs.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

They don't do it on cels, it's all scanned on paper and the linework is isolated as a part of the process before it's colored or digitally inked. (The source work from the animators is not done on a computer if you think that's what I was implying. most productions are physical art that's scanned and colored/scanned and inked and colored)

There are numerous videos detailing this process both with scanned pencil linework and digital inks. Some productions simply digitally manipulate the pencilwork and some scan pen-inked images. You'd be hard pressed to find cels in any workflow where the intention isn't to be as analog as possible; there's simply no need to use them.

Genga isn't cels, actually (cels are cels in Japanese), but yes, everything you say is true.

The last time I heard of a modern production using cels was Studio MDHR's work on the video game Cuphead.

[rexcrk]

I wonder if this will be part of a batch. As a Disney Movie Club member, I like when they do a bunch a time so I can get a good discount!

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Genga isn't cels, actually (cels are cels in Japanese), but yes, everything you say is true.

The last time I heard of a modern production using cels was Studio MDHR's work on the video game Cuphead.

When you said "clear sheets of paper" my brain saw clear and went "he's talking about cels" and thusly there is my textwall! lmao I'm sorry for the lecture.

[The Mad Kiwi]

As others are saying, this is surprisingly welcome news, and it's got me wondering what will become of the other Renaissance films. Hunchback's got a live-action remake on the horizon, but Pocahontas, Hercules, and Tarzan don't. Could Disney pull the same thing they did with the Revival-era films and Pixar films and release them in one fell swoop? If not, it'd be nice to at least get Pocahontas this year for its 25th anniversary (though Hunchback is the Renaissance film I'm most craving).

As for Mulan, I'd love for this to be the steelbook art:

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by The Mad Kiwi

As others are saying, this is surprisingly welcome news, and it's got me wondering what will become of the other Renaissance films. Hunchback's got a live-action remake on the horizon, but Pocahontas, Hercules, and Tarzan don't. Could Disney pull the same thing they did with the Revival-era films and Pixar films and release them in one fell swoop? If not, it'd be nice to at least get Pocahontas this year for its 25th anniversary (though Hunchback is the Renaissance film I'm most craving).

How much better can the colors possibly look on those movies? Don't the Blu-Rays look fine enough already?