You Don't Nomi (Showgirls documentary) - July 21, 2020

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

Yes, Showgirls has a huge cult following and it's not really middle-aged straight men wanting to look at some boobs either... many of the camp aspects of the film have endeared it to gay men as well as other groups of people who enjoy it on a "so bad it's good" level. It wouldn't be appropriate to wrap this up with a documentary on sex thrillers of the 90s because the films appeal to different audience demographics.

Fair enough, although I really have no interest in hearing a handful of 'die hard' fans discuss this movie, as this is apparently what this docu is;

(Director) McHale focused on the die-hard fandom spawned by this piece of high-camp cinema, placing it above stars Berkley and Gina Gershon, who stole the Paul Verhoeven (“Basic Instinct”) flick as catty Cristal “Darlin'” Connors, backstabbing headliner of the Stardust Casino’s “Goddess” revue.

“We talked to people who were involved in the [renaissance] of ‘Showgirls,’” he says. “It’s coming from the opinions of people who were involved in its afterlife.”

Their doc does feature cast interviews — with the exception of Nomi herself.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/04/showgi...er-it-flopped/

[Bumblefeet]

Originally Posted by UnionJackMix

I've never seen any movie with digital censoring! Please tell me you're joking and just painted on the bra yourself there!

It made for a funny video yes, if you want to get a look at how movies are initially rated (and stuff gets cut or adjusted as a result) I recommend the documentary "This Film Is Not Yet Rated (2006)".

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by UnionJackMix

I've never seen any movie with digital censoring! Please tell me you're joking and just painted on the bra yourself there!

I wish I had the forethought to do that, pretty sure it was VH1 who first bothered to try and make a TV friendly version of it.

I know I had the same reaction you did, but saw it for myself then just found it hilarious. Even had an advertising thought: "Digital bras: what they lack in support, they make up for in coverage".

I was wrong, it was Logo not VH1. Kind of safe for work?

Kind of safe for work?

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

Fair enough, although I really have no interest in hearing a handful of 'die hard' fans discuss this movie, as this is apparently what this docu is.

Then don't watch it.

Fin.

[Aunt Peg]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyhorse

My wife and I both still make fun of, and crack up every time we think about, the pool sex scene. Such amazing over-acting by Liz there.



I'm certainly interested, but bummed to hear no one involved in the film is in the doc. Not even Penny (Rena Riffel)? Speaking of which, I still need to see Pennies from Heaven.

Also curious how many other members here know who Aunt Peg is, without googling.

Though nobody from the film is interviewed for the documentary there is plenty of archival footage and a few talking heads that actually have some very interesting things to say. There are also clips from most of Verhoeven's others films as his career is covered to some degree as well.

The film is almost like an essay and director Jeffrey McHale is such a fan of the film.

Must admit that I never liked Showgirls when it came out. I found it sort of good in a bad movie way but it never appealed to me like most of Verhoeven's other films.

When Showgirls came out on Blu Ray a purchased it to give it another go given the cult following its developed over the years. I watched the film again last September a week before seeing You Don't Nomi (on the big screen at a film festival) and enjoyed it much more this time around. I still don't think it really works but I certainly appreciate its appeal for others more so then I did.

You Don't Nomi is probably only for fans of Showgirls and/or fans of Paul Verhoeven even if you aren't a big Showgirls fan. But having said that it NEVER feels like a DVD 'special feature'. It stands on its own unlike 78/52 which was about the shower scene from Psycho which felt like nothing more than an over extended special feature on a DVD.

[Scoot79]

I'm going to pass on You Don't Nomi as it sounds very disappointing due to the focus not being on the cast and crew of Showgirls, but the fans instead. That reminds me of the current crop of Blu-ray/DVD special features that we've had for the film since the V.I.P. DVD in 2004. A commentary track and interviews with people who had nothing to do with the production of the film. Sorry, I'd rather hear from Paul Verhoeven, Elizabeth Berkley, Gina Gershon, etc.


Instead, I'll be waiting for the other documentary. Goddess: The Fall and Rise of Showgirls. New interviews from most cast members with the unfortunate exception of Berkley.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...e-of-showgirls

[Noremac Mij]

Thanks. It’s a Versays.

[prkchopexpress]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

OK I'll bite; is this really such a cult classic that it deserves a standalone docu? Wouldn't it be better to just do a documentary on Verhoeven's entire output or perhaps sex thrillers of the 90s?

At the time Showgirls came out I was too young to see it, but I remember it flopping but also encountered it many times in VHS stores and later DVD bins.
I also remember it being the movie that middle-age married men could get away with renting that wasn't a porno.

With today's access to hardcore porn on the web, it's funny to think back about those pre-internet days where these type of movies got rented because people just wanted to see a pair of boobs.

I own Showgirls on blu-ray and despite the nudity and sex, it's actually a more compelling parabel on Vegas by Verhoeven, and works better that way. But put it next to Basic Instinct and you have one movie that's cinema and another that's exploitation pulp.

To get back to my point, everything seems to be getting a seperate documentary and with many of these documentaries I often question wether they really add much analysis or meaning, and aren't simply an excuse to hear people discuss these movies, often not remembering much about them or getting praised for when they do LOL. Cause I imagine many of the people who worked on it probably wanted to forget they ever did given the reception it got.

It's a shame that most if not all interviews for movies done at that time were press junket prepped answers to sell the movie, with only A-list actors allowed to kavetch about their roles from time to time. But how relevant is a documentary when it's made 20 years after the fact?

it’s odd to think that this was only looked down on in the us, but was actually more well received in other parts of the world.

i’m not saying that the us is very stupid... no i am saying that.

[JackForrester]

Originally Posted by prkchopexpress

it’s odd to think that this was only looked down on in the us, but was actually more well received in other parts of the world.

i’m not saying that the us is very stupid... no i am saying that.

I know one film has zero relation to the other, but same thing happened to Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me at the time of its release. Oh wait, Kyle MacLachlan was in both films. Maybe the US hates him?

[willieconway]

Originally Posted by JackForrester

I know one film has zero relation to the other, but same thing happened to Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me at the time of its release. Oh wait, Kyle MacLachlan was in both films. Maybe the US hates him?

Yeah, F that guy.

[JackForrester]

Originally Posted by willieconway

Yeah, F that guy.

I knew it

[moviegeek1992]

Originally Posted by meremortal

Perhaps it might've been pretty risque back then. I don't think I've seen this movie since around 1996 as a kid on vhs. Some of you guys have cool wives - I'd never get to watch this with mine and she'd probably get triggered if she even knew I owned it.

Does your wife not approve because it’s an erotic movie or something else about it?

[Scoot79]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Thanks. It’s a Versays.

Oh yeah. Versayce. I love Versayce.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

OK I'll bite; is this really such a cult classic that it deserves a standalone docu?

I generally don't buy documentaries but I'm buying this one!

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Scoot79

Oh yeah. Versayce. I love Versayce.

[Show spoiler]

You are my god(dess).

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Bumblefeet

Fair enough, although I really have no interest in hearing a handful of 'die hard' fans discuss this movie, as this is apparently what this docu is;

(Director) McHale focused on the die-hard fandom spawned by this piece of high-camp cinema, placing it above stars Berkley and Gina Gershon, who stole the Paul Verhoeven (“Basic Instinct”) flick as catty Cristal “Darlin'” Connors, backstabbing headliner of the Stardust Casino’s “Goddess” revue.

“We talked to people who were involved in the [renaissance] of ‘Showgirls,’” he says. “It’s coming from the opinions of people who were involved in its afterlife.”

Gosh, I'm glad I read through the thread. I preordered it the second I opened the OP, but then cancelled by the time I got here LOL.

I'd give it a try on Netflix or something, but not something I need to own, much less at $30.

[UnionJackMix]

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[UnionJackMix]

Originally Posted by sleeperbloke

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[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by sleeperbloke

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[latehong]

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