Blu-ray vs HD DVD: New Article

[cartier]

Originally Posted by BluDrew

How old is everyone in here? 15, 16? One would think that serious high-def movie afficionados would articulate their sentiments in a less vitriolic fashion. Behaving like prepubescent hoodlums accomplishes nothing. Instead, why don't you write the writer, speak to the speaker, debate convincingly and share your desire to support Blu-ray as adults, not undisciplined school children.

If you truly wish to elevate the discourse, try not to base someone's ability to "articulate their sentiments" by defining them by age. We all know there are plenty of individuals considered to be adults yet are quick to make vulgar comments and teenagers able to communicate without profanity. Age should not be reduced to a deciding factor in ones intelligence, articulation, nor psychological maturity, physical maturity is a different matter.

That being said, I can appreciate your age comment as an intent to call attention to the use of foul language. However at the same time you risk insulting teenagers and and instead it can cause all kinds of defense mechanisms to be raised especially among adults. People are less likely to hear the intelligence of your argument if your first comment is meant or interpreted as an insult.

By the way I am 24, and I believe the person who started this web site is 16.

[POTC123]

IMO, you can look at it one way, HD-DVD, all it is, is DVD, with HD stuck on the front, and by comparisson has less quality. blu-ray is a new format all together, hence an actual step in quality.

[erowe83]

Originally Posted by POTC123

IMO, you can look at it one way, HD-DVD, all it is, is DVD, with HD stuck on the front, and by comparisson has less quality. blu-ray is a new format all together, hence an actual step in quality.

What? Uhhh dont get me wrong I highly prefer Blu-ray but HD-DVD is a huge step in quality from DVD just like Blu-ray...

[Lt. Drebin]

Originally Posted by POTC123

IMO, you can look at it one way, HD-DVD, all it is, is DVD, with HD stuck on the front, and by comparisson has less quality. blu-ray is a new format all together, hence an actual step in quality.

Hmm...wow. Don't even have to do any real world comparisons, huh. Sold.

[matthewrounds]

Originally Posted by ReduxInflux

That’s not all. Engineers who’ve worked with both formats say Blu-ray is a pig to program. While extremely flexible, its programming language, BD-Java, requires lots of low-level code for even the simplest of instructions. The highly skilled programmers needed to do the job don’t exactly grow on trees. And because of the program’s complexity, even the best produce their share of bug-ridden software.

As an Engineer this kind of comment makes me sick. Engineers take on complex problems to find easy solutions. If everyone could do it there would be no reason for Engineers in the world. On the other hand Computer Science seems to be more prevalent than ever. MS doesn't want to employ engineers because they might actually get a product that works. Instead they employ hardcore programmers who were taught JAVA before they were ever taught C or C++. Never compare a Computer Science Programmer to an Engineer who can program, the difference is light years in favor of the engineer because they can see the bigger picture.

[erowe83]

Originally Posted by matthewrounds

As an Engineer this kind of comment makes me sick. Engineers take on complex problems to find easy solutions. If everyone could do it there would be no reason for Engineers in the world. On the other hand Computer Science seems to be more prevalent than ever. MS doesn't want to employ engineers because they might actually get a product that works. Instead they employ hardcore programmers who were taught JAVA before they were ever taught C or C++. Never compare a Computer Science Programmer to an Engineer who can program, the difference is light years in favor of the engineer because they can see the bigger picture.

thats true but if it is a major difference in difficulty (which I HIGHLY doubt) then it would favor HD-DVD. But I think this is a complete lie.

[doctorD]

The thing that is most interesting to me on this article is that if they have more HD DVD standalone players out there then why are all of those people buying more movies? Also, if they are banking on the interactivity of HDi, then why weren't there more sales on movies like 300?

It appears to me that outside of paying other studios off, the only other way for the HD DVD group hope to get more consumers is to try to mis-inform consumers over the internet like this article is trying to do. I'm beting that this writer hasn't even gone out to investigate for himself to see how each process is performed. It sounds like he is going off of hersay.

I still think that as long as BDA advertising market takes off, the Disney tour should be a big help, and educate consumers Blu ray will sale.

That's my $.02 anyways!

[BluDrew]

Originally Posted by cartier

If you truly wish to elevate the discourse, try not to base someone's ability to "articulate their sentiments" by defining them by age. We all know there are plenty of individuals considered to be adults yet are quick to make vulgar comments and teenagers able to communicate without profanity. Age should not be reduced to a deciding factor in ones intelligence, articulation, nor psychological maturity, physical maturity is a different matter.

That being said, I can appreciate your age comment as an intent to call attention to the use of foul language. However at the same time you risk insulting teenagers and and instead it can cause all kinds of defense mechanisms to be raised especially among adults. People are less likely to hear the intelligence of your argument if your first comment is meant or interpreted as an insult.

By the way I am 24, and I believe the person who started this web site is 16.

One's ability, or rather inability, to express themselves without relentless drivel that serves no purpose other than to spur additional relentless drivel and censored expletives is behavior indicative of a "stereotypical" adolescent. It is not a broad brush to paint a particular age group or IQ level, and it is not the age or IQ that is the issue per se. It is the unreserved, uninhibited and crass nature of the dialog which reflects poorly on the poster, on the discussion and on the forum as a whole. It is akin to an online form of Tourette's Syndrome. However, whereas the actual condition is neurological and uncontrollable, the online form is invoked on a whim, and done so willingly. This is what is the issue.

At any rate, subsequent comments have been much better.

[ReduxInflux]

Originally Posted by BluDrew

How old is everyone in here? 15, 16? One would think that serious high-def movie afficionados would articulate their sentiments in a less vitriolic fashion. Behaving like prepubescent hoodlums accomplishes nothing. Instead, why don't you write the writer, speak to the speaker, debate convincingly and share your desire to support Blu-ray as adults, not undisciplined school children.

ha ha ha. aside from age - your sentiments regarding knee jerk vulgarities are mine on every thread i read.

now about the article - my main concern in reading it was the authoring bit. is bd-j really that difficult to author? enough to deter studios from supporting it? i don't think so. why would the paramount techies, against the lesser judgment of their executive branch, reportedly prefer blu-ray over hd-dvd if this was the case?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Spankey

Written by the HD-DVD Group...

And how can you spot a pro-HD post?

FIELD GUIDE:
1) "Like, it's not going to matter anyway, we'll all have holo-cubes someday!"
2) "Paramount people are smart, because they make decisions about things!"
3) "Yeah, well Sony bribes people too!"
4) "People really want to download...It's so cool! We'll get new wires for it someday, 'n everthing!"
5) "Wow, the players are so cheap! I bought one at a 7-11!"
6) "Picture-in-picture and download content...Nobody ELSE has got that!"
7) "Their Java's all messed up--That's what I heard six month's ago!"
8) "Blu-Ray people like to argue...They're just kids who play video games!"
9) (Any use of the words "Kool" and "Aid".)

[moweeis]

Originally Posted by stofferdk

heard it all before ):

Denmark is SWARMING with HD-DVD zealots. and I mean, even the nerds choose HD-DVD here.

Yesterday, I had some friends over, and I was like 1 vs them all,

their major argument was "well, HD fits on HD-DVD", why choose the more expensive format?"

omgoth

However Blu-ray still manages to sell almost 2:1 here in Denmark aswell. I just think you know the wrong ppl

[CAB]

Originally Posted by EricJ

And how can you spot a pro-HD post?

FIELD GUIDE:
1) "Like, it's not going to matter anyway, we'll all have holo-cubes someday!"
2) "Paramount people are smart, because they make decisions about things!"
3) "Yeah, well Sony bribes people too!"
4) "People really want to download...It's so cool! We'll get new wires for it someday, 'n everthing!"
5) "Wow, the players are so cheap! I bought one at a 7-11!"
6) "Picture-in-picture and download content...Nobody ELSE has got that!"
7) "Their Java's all messed up--That's what I heard six month's ago!"
8) "Blu-Ray people like to argue...They're just kids who play video games!"
9) (Any use of the words "Kool" and "Aid".)

Dude you left out my favorite!

10) Who cares about Disney? They only make movies for 8 year olds. (like Basic Instinct)

-CB

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by CAB

Dude you left out my favorite!

10) Who cares about Disney? They only make movies for 8 year olds. (like Basic Instinct)

-CB

(Um, that's Sony, but just replace with any of the Miramax/Dimension titles.)

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by BluDrew

How old is everyone in here? 15, 16?

Some people are.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by cartier

By the way I am 24, and I believe the person who started this web site is 16.

Who do you think started the site?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by CAB

Dude you left out my favorite!

10) Who cares about Disney? They only make movies for 8 year olds. (like Basic Instinct)

Darn, thanks to our dear Mr. Graffeo, I forgot the evergreen classic:

11) "Only HD lets you play your regular DVD's too! "

[JTK]

Originally Posted by cartier

If you truly wish to elevate the discourse, try not to base someone's ability to "articulate their sentiments" by defining them by age. We all know there are plenty of individuals considered to be adults yet are quick to make vulgar comments and teenagers able to communicate without profanity. Age should not be reduced to a deciding factor in ones intelligence, articulation, nor psychological maturity, physical maturity is a different matter.

That being said, I can appreciate your age comment as an intent to call attention to the use of foul language. However at the same time you risk insulting teenagers and and instead it can cause all kinds of defense mechanisms to be raised especially among adults. People are less likely to hear the intelligence of your argument if your first comment is meant or interpreted as an insult.

By the way I am 24, and I believe the person who started this web site is 16.

Excellent post.

*blinks*

Iceman and/or Marwin is/are only 16?! That's news to me!

[gandley]

I like how they bring up the PiP/interactivity features, but as i own HD-DVD i have played with all this and its pratically useless if you have a screen 40ins or smaller. The PiP window is just too dang small for one thing.
On a 40ins TV i find myself, with 20/20 vsion having to really squint to see whats going on. i had to get up and go silly close to the screen to make it worth while.

Now with my projector its fine as the window then becomes a decent size but how many average joe's have a projector or even a 40ins screen?.

Its a useless gimmick, that should just be on a seperate disc, or you should be able to make the widow bigger or fill the screen. i didnt seem to be able to do that.

the title was tokyo drift, it also has a feature that when a car crashes it brings up a damage report with cost to repair, problem is it fills the half the screen and is gone in two seconds so you can barly read it. but whats the freaking point?.
then theres the silly GPS graphic that lets you follow the cars. again pointless rubbish. and the worst crime, the u control logo stays on the screen when selected, it dosent fade out so you have to turn it on off the whole time. or else its there burnaing a hole in your plasma....

perhaps its me, but so far, interactivity is plain shit on HD-DVD. Gimmick gimmick gimmick, thats all it is.

there real purpose here is to use the web based interativity for transactional purposes. that means later down the road they will stop the gimmicky stuff as it dosent make any money and put more effort into the transactional content.

result is they just want your green and are currently window dressing to lure people in.

should that of been in the rant thread though?