Tonewinner...yeah, Chinese..but

[prerich]

I'm curious. I'm good on power amps, but Summithifi USA has the Tonewinner 7 channel 300w/p all channels driven into 8ohms for sale at $1300 I could have bought two of those and had change left over for what I paid for my MC8207.
It's a good looking amp - I will say that. I just wish we had a professional review.
https://summithifiusa.com/collection...00pa-amplifier

[DrasticPlastic]

I see 180x7 all channels driven, but still looks pretty nice, especially with both XLR and RCA inputs.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by DrasticPlastic

I see 180x7 all channels driven, but still looks pretty nice, especially with both XLR and RCA inputs.

I stand corrected!!!! Good catch!!! but your also correct that it looks pretty nice and the extra touch of having XLR in's ....yes very nice!
I'm happy with my MC8207 - but this has me thinking if anything drastic should happen. I also found a review on YouTube and the guy is pretty reliable. Spec of Tech

7 CHANNEL AMPLIFIER 300 WATTS PER CHANNEL $1259? - Tonewinner AD-7300PA Review & Demo - YouTube

He's recently reviewed the Anthem AVM70 vs the Marantz AV7706 as well.

[prerich]

Tonewinner is at it again!!! Just saw the review for the Tonewinner prepro at $1199 with XLR's (however it only has 1 xlr for subs if you need more you will have to use the RCAs...but every othe channel has XLRs). It also has Atmos and DTS-X. The room correction is proprietary (Tonewinner's own) but it comes with a hefty calibration mic ...although that could have been thought out better as well (XLR-to 1/4 to 3.5) however - $1199!!!! Ok here's the link to an initial review:

$1199 Budget 13.3 Channel A/V Processor Pre/Pro, IT SOUNDS GOOD? Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, Dolby Vision! - YouTube

[prerich]

So for the price of a Marantz AV7706 I could have a Tonewinner Prepro and a 7 channel power amp.....not bad (however the AV7706 is in another league when it comes to features - as it should).

[LordoftheRings]

I saw that too three days ago; it's missing Auro-3D ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5wO...ature=youtu.be

[prerich]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I saw that too three days ago; it's missing Auro-3D ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5wO...ature=youtu.be

Yeah - it's missing Auro-3d but how many actually configure their systems for Auro 3D? I thought about it, until I realized that I would lose a subwoofer input (I would have to split the output as the Auro 3d uses the secondary Sub output for the VOG channel).
You can't find a prepro with balanced output (or a receiver at that matter) for less than $2000.

[LordoftheRings]

It needs to be reviewed by Audio Science Review (Amir) to get an objective point of view.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It needs to be reviewed by Audio Science Review (Amir) to get an objective point of view.

Agreed. Although the guy who's putting Tonewinner out there happens to be named Amir as well.
Audio Science Review is very honest concerning measurements. I was happy to see the Topping dacs highly rated.

[DrasticPlastic]

I saw this pre-pro vid when he released it and it does look extremely promising. It does have atmos, but doesn't appear to have dts x pro, which makes no sense given how many channels it has, and so far there's no mention of it having upmixers like dolby surround and dts neural x, but I would guess it will have those when it's officially released. I'm in the market for a pre/pro with at least 13 channels, and I don't need xlr so I'm keeping an eye on this. I'm interested to see how their proprietary room correction works and if it also gives you the opportunity to curtain the correction like you can using the audyssey app. I have 3 subs, but I only use RCA connections anyhow, not to mention I'm also using a minidsp so I only need 1 sub out anyhow, but I know this won't be the case for many. The small form factor makes sense to me as well and leaves me wondering why so many pre/pros on the market now are as big as they are, without the amps in them, why do they need to be so tall? The HTP-1 is on the smaller side, but it's more than I'm looking to spend. I probably won't be in the market to buy a processor until next year, so we'll see how this pans out, otherwise I'm strongly considering the Anthem AVM-70.

[Scarriere]

Originally Posted by DrasticPlastic

I'm strongly considering the Anthem AVM-70.

Make sure you research before doing that.
I've read the whole thread over at AVS on the new MRX avrs and it ain't pretty.
I wanted one, 540 or 740, but sure the heck won't be getting one now.
I'll stick with the good sound and reliability of Yamaha.

[nonametofame]

Originally Posted by DrasticPlastic

I saw this pre-pro vid when he released it and it does look extremely promising. It does have atmos, but doesn't appear to have dts x pro, which makes no sense given how many channels it has, and so far there's no mention of it having upmixers like dolby surround and dts neural x, but I would guess it will have those when it's officially released. I'm in the market for a pre/pro with at least 13 channels, and I don't need xlr so I'm keeping an eye on this. I'm interested to see how their proprietary room correction works and if it also gives you the opportunity to curtain the correction like you can using the audyssey app. I have 3 subs, but I only use RCA connections anyhow, not to mention I'm also using a minidsp so I only need 1 sub out anyhow, but I know this won't be the case for many. The small form factor makes sense to me as well and leaves me wondering why so many pre/pros on the market now are as big as they are, without the amps in them, why do they need to be so tall? The HTP-1 is on the smaller side, but it's more than I'm looking to spend. I probably won't be in the market to buy a processor until next year, so we'll see how this pans out, otherwise I'm strongly considering the Anthem AVM-70.

That's why it's cheap. Those licensing fees add up. They have to pay Dolby, DTS, IMAX, Auro fees to include those features. Denon/Marantz can afford to include them because of their high volume sales.
Boutique brands like Emotiva, Anthem, Arcam, pass those fees onto the consumers. If you have the HTP-1, and you want the premium Dirac with the Bass Control, that's another $500 you have to pony up, to add on to the "free" Dirac they have installed, after paying the base $4k price tag.
Want that bass control feature built in?, Then you can purchase the AudioControl X7 and X9, but those start at $6,000. I wonder why.

[DrasticPlastic]

Originally Posted by Scarriere

Make sure you research before doing that.
I've read the whole thread over at AVS on the new MRX avrs and it ain't pretty.
I wanted one, 540 or 740, but sure the heck won't be getting one now.
I'll stick with the good sound and reliability of Yamaha.

What are the issues exactly? From what I've read on the AVM-70 the main issues are that ARC Genesis is/was still in beta, which I believe it's out of beta now. The hardware seems pretty solid, and nobody is complaining of poor sound quality. I likely won't make a purchase until next year, so hopefully by the time I'm ready to buy they will be including an HDMI board that supports HDMI 2.1

I've looked at Yamaha Pre/Pros, but none of them support more than 11 channels, which is the main reason I'm upgrading, I need at least 13.1 and want something a bit nicer or better sounding than what I can get from a Denon/Marantz, not that there is any thing wrong with either of those.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Scarriere

Make sure you research before doing that.
I've read the whole thread over at AVS on the new MRX avrs and it ain't pretty.
I wanted one, 540 or 740, but sure the heck won't be getting one now.
I'll stick with the good sound and reliability of Yamaha.

ARC issues are real....One of the reasons I have the Marantz AV7706....especially since I already had the Audyssey App when I had the Denon X4300H, so I could tailor XT32 with no problems.

[sperezmore]

I'm very happy with my ToneWinner AD-7300PA Version 2.0 Hi-End Audio 7-Channel Power Amplifier. Works awesome pair with the Yamaha Aventage RX-A2080 9.2 Channel Receiver.

I can highly recommend it





Regards,

[prerich]

Originally Posted by sperezmore

I'm very happy with my ToneWinner AD-7300PA Version 2.0 Hi-End Audio 7-Channel Power Amplifier. Works awesome pair with the Yamaha Aventage RX-A2080 9.2 Channel Receiver.

I can highly recommend it





Regards,

Very attractive piece of equipment indeed!!!!!
Great updates on the flooring and adding a rug!!!

[prerich]

Originally Posted by DrasticPlastic

I saw this pre-pro vid when he released it and it does look extremely promising. It does have atmos, but doesn't appear to have dts x pro, which makes no sense given how many channels it has, and so far there's no mention of it having upmixers like dolby surround and dts neural x, but I would guess it will have those when it's officially released. I'm in the market for a pre/pro with at least 13 channels, and I don't need xlr so I'm keeping an eye on this. I'm interested to see how their proprietary room correction works and if it also gives you the opportunity to curtain the correction like you can using the audyssey app. I have 3 subs, but I only use RCA connections anyhow, not to mention I'm also using a minidsp so I only need 1 sub out anyhow, but I know this won't be the case for many. The small form factor makes sense to me as well and leaves me wondering why so many pre/pros on the market now are as big as they are, without the amps in them, why do they need to be so tall? The HTP-1 is on the smaller side, but it's more than I'm looking to spend. I probably won't be in the market to buy a processor until next year, so we'll see how this pans out, otherwise I'm strongly considering the Anthem AVM-70.

No it doesn't have DTS-X Pro....neither does the Marantz AV7706 (will it get it via an firmware update). The HTP-1 is going for $4k right? That's almost three times the price of this prepro. For the price theirs a lot offered with this prepro. My Marantz has more features but cost twice as much.

[DrasticPlastic]

Originally Posted by prerich

No it doesn't have DTS-X Pro....neither does the Marantz AV7706 (will it get it via an firmware update). The HTP-1 is going for $4k right? That's almost three times the price of this prepro. For the price theirs a lot offered with this prepro. My Marantz has more features but cost twice as much.

You mentioned you had a Denon 4300 before you got the Marantz 7706... I currently have a 4300, do you find the sound quality and/or channel separation to be noticeably better when going from the receiver to the pre/pro?

[prerich]

Originally Posted by DrasticPlastic

You mentioned you had a Denon 4300 before you got the Marantz 7706... I currently have a 4300, do you find the sound quality and/or channel separation to be noticeably better when going from the receiver to the pre/pro?

Better ...however that's to be expected, I'm not using RCA's , I've gone totally XLR for connection to my power amps.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It needs to be reviewed by Audio Science Review (Amir) to get an objective point of view.

I hear Amir has one in his possession now!!!!