Quick way to lose credibility

[Aaron]

I'm sure that this thread will be closed shortly.

[buckshot]

personally I think its funny. I think the average 40 something will look at the news area and others before the forum. and when they do stumble in here they'll probably feel young again and throw a dirt clot or two. maturity is over rated anyway stupid.

and blu dock saint I am ashamed (shaking head judgementally). kidding of course.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

ok, now I know you are full of it.

Back it up then? If every HD DVD supporter dumped their HD DVD player and bought blu-ray and all those dual format people (like myself) kept buying both, how long would it be until Universal and Paramount switched sides? It wouldn't take long.

See I knew it...It's almost like the "it's cus i'm black stuff" you hear. It's like it was all building up to pull this card out.

Oh.. come on. All I'm saying is it certainly seems like people like myself are not welcomed much at all. I support blu-ray. I shouldn't be treated like a 2nd class citizen just because I choose to support HD DVD as well.

you wanna learn about HDDVD, go to HDDVD.com, and or Zealot central AVMS. Trust me, (US) we've heard all the arguments, thats why we are here...to avoid it, and the likes of people like you...trying to "Educate" us.

How many does it take, for you to realize, we don't want none, we gave at the office.

That's fair. I still believe you need to know your enemy to beat them though.

And I do think someone with who supports HD DVD should be welcomed here so long as they aren't coming with the intention of just posting how they think HD DVD is better and blu-ray sucks. As I've said, HD DVD supporters are potential blu-ray customers. And many have the potential to be big customers.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by Aaron

I'm sure that this thread will be closed shortly.

That's something I don't understand. Why? I think this is a pretty decent conversation. Just because there is some disagreement, does that mean the thread should get closed?

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

That's something I don't understand. Why? I think this is a pretty decent conversation. Just because there is some disagreement, does that mean the thread should get closed?

It's a troll magnet.

[Deane Johnson]

I thought most of the 8 year olds were the ones who bought HD-DVD players.

[Dadds]

So its really called HD-DVD? I never knew that. Maybe it was the font that threw me off.

[dobyblue]

I think HD DUD sucks balls.

[grip24]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I think HD DUD sucks balls.

LOL......THIS IS MADNESS !!!!!!!!!!

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

Its just a fact. I'm not saying who will win - I do think blu-ray will win. You brought it up. Sony did release on VHS, although it took them a very long time, so it is plausible to think they'd do the same.

Super duper hypothetically I suppose if and a really big IF Hddvd somehow managed to squeeze past Blu-ray and DVD then in the year 18 pudding (if HDDVD isn't beaten out by something else) It could be marginally acceptable that IF Blu-ray is still in existence, they could release...on HD-DVD,,,maybe.

No. I OWN 12 movies. I use netflix for the rest. And I believe my reason for not seeing a difference is probably 720P. I've tried to get good answers on whether 1080P is needed to see a real benefit and I've yet to get a good answer. I will have 1080P in the future, so I think the benefit of PQ is valid - I just haven't seen it myself.

So, this pretty much sums up a waste of like 3 pages of replies from me.
You have a 720p set, and you can't see the difference. Ok,first off there is more to resolution than lines. Contrast ratio, brightness, black levels, sharpness, Hue etc. all play an intricate part...as well as display type.

I can speak from experience here, since I owned two 720p sets that are now replaced by 1080p sets in the last year since owning the two HD formats.

YES THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 720p and 1080p but usually in a 1080p set all the aforementioned things are improved as well, so that could be a contributing factor.
now 1080i vs. 1080p, not so much...but still noticeable (to me) in the way of scaling artifacts introduced such as Jaggies, and Moire'.

No, I have nothing made up. I think blu-ray will win. I like both. I simply aim to get a better understanding of the differences and benefits. You can see a difference and hear a difference. I can't today. If someone would simply say "Duh.. its because the difference can't be seen on a 720P image", then I'd say, ok, thanks.

I do want to listen to the more advanced audio codecs though, that's just going to be a awhile.

"Duh.. its because the difference can't be seen on a 720P image"


IB4tL

[Kololo]

lol this thread has turned very funny

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by Kololo

Now I love Blu Ray, and want it to win too.

But seriously saying stuff like HD DUD & Para***** is just pathetic.
Look at it from this point of view;

Random man in mid 40's browsing the net trying to decide which format to go for & stumbles into this site. Now while here he sees people using these names & he is automatically going to assume Blu Ray owners must be 13 year olds with PS3/pathetic fan boys.

We all want Blu to win, why not be mature about it. Why lower our selves to the standards of HD DVD companys by using such lame terms.

Seems to me that what Para***** did by taking a bribe (no matter the amount) lacks way more maturity then someone calling them names like Para*****. Now I'm not justifying the name calling just on maturity alone, I actually feel they acted that way, so that's the way I will think of them and describe them. Last time I checked we still had a 1st amendment. I'm sure myself and others can use WAY WORSE descriptive language then we have, however we are being respectful to forum rules, etc.

[atomik kinder]

I would agree that it can be childish. If you think this forum is bad, check out some of the others. Blew-Ray, Sony-ray are just among the few names thrown about. It happens everywhere you go, so if someone perusing the forum here sees this, I don't think he or she would be shocked...unless this was the first forum they ever visited.

[dadkins]

I got a Blu-ray laptop! Screw all the dumb sh**!
I got Blu for whoop a$$ PQ.
I got Blu(laptop) for data storage - BD burner drive.
I got Blu becuase it is the best format - and the highest selling format(HD) to date!

All the kiddies can switch, can boycott, can pee themselves all they want... I'm Blu!

"Are ya ready ta rock?"

[Blu As Hell]

Awww come on Kololo.....I'm 30 now i'm trying to hold on to my youth. Besides you got admit "Para*****" is hilarious.

[BTBuck1]

what thread were we merged with? it's so hard to follow now...it might as well have all been deleted then. Posts are all out of place etc. there are several differen't conversations all intermingled, looks more like an aol chatroom in here.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

I think thats fairly inaccurate. Format neutral are not sustaining the war. Its those that are only supporting 1 format that are.

And your last comment - are you saying those that are neutral shouldn't post here? This should only be a site for those in love with blu-ray? hmm.. maybe I should setup a new site - forum.i-love-blu-ray.com?

Discussion people like myself and even those pro-HD DVD is good since it helps promote learning. Heck, I would think it would be great for the support of blu-ray to get all the info from the die hard HD DVD supporters. To beat the enemy, you need to know the enemy.

I had an hd dvd player most likely before you, and actually had owned two before last August.

Look up any pro review of the very first hd dvd players and you will find they were a mess with regards to functionality.
My two players both froze randomly during playback of brand new hd dvd's.
Sometines it would freeze and stutter with loss of audio sync, and sometimes it would just freeze up until shut off.
Both my players completely locked up a few times, they were a bit loud, and rediculously slow at any function.
Both asked if I wanted to view the HD side or the SD side of a disc, problem is that these were sd dvd's as I never owned a combo disc.
No memory on hd dvd's for where you left off in a movie which any cheap dvd player has

Everytime I pushed stop menu ect, my projector would have to re-sync which was also a very slow process.
One of my two players also had buzzing via the analog audio connections.

Can you imagine how I feel everytime some fool says that hd dvd was a complete format from the beggining when nothing could be farther from the truth.
No 5.1 DD-THD was available for at least a month or so on any player.
Not that it matters because less than 10% of hd dvd's even have HD audio even now, with 100% of all Sony, Disney as well as Fox titles having one or more forms of HD audio.
I can't even fathom anyone preffering pip over actual HD audio.

I found a lot of VC-1 titles to look soft and combed over for noise reduction which seems to strip the soul out of some releases and highly prefer AVC or even MPEG-2 with enough space.

BD has been a breath of fresh air in comparrison to hd dvd for me with players that function as they should and HD audio which makes most movies that much better than core dd 5.1

I chose the right path with BD, washed my hands of the inferior format, and will not be looking back.

Paramount as well as Microsoft both believe that downloads are the future and dual format owners had better wake up quick as to being a big part of the problem.


In case you haven't noticed, BD only owners rarely switch to both formats after owning BD but lots of hd dvd owners have been.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by GTP

I had an hd dvd player most likely before you, and actually had owned two before last August.

Look up any pro review of the very first hd dvd players and you will find they were a mess with regards to functionality.
My two players both froze randomly during playback of brand new hd dvd's.
Sometines it would freeze and stutter with loss of audio sync, and sometimes it would just freeze up until shut off.
Both my players completely locked up a few times, they were a bit loud, and rediculously slow at any function.
Both asked if I wanted to view the HD side or the SD side of a disc, problem is that these were sd dvd's as I never owned a combo disc.
No memory on hd dvd's for where you left off in a movie which any cheap dvd player has

Everytime I pushed stop menu ect, my projector would have to re-sync which was also a very slow process.
One of my two players also had buzzing via the analog audio connections.

Can you imagine how I feel everytime some fool says that hd dvd was a complete format from the beggining when nothing could be farther from the truth.
No 5.1 DD-THD was available for at least a month or so on any player.
Not that it matters because less than 10% of hd dvd's even have HD audio even now, with 100% of all Sony, Disney as well as Fox titles having one or more forms of HD audio.
I can't even fathom anyone preffering pip over actual HD audio.

I found a lot of VC-1 titles to look soft and combed over for noise reduction which seems to strip the soul out of some releases and highly prefer AVC or even MPEG-2 with enough space.

BD has been a breath of fresh air in comparrison to hd dvd for me with players that function as they should and HD audio which makes most movies that much better than core dd 5.1

I chose the right path with BD, washed my hands of the inferior format, and will not be looking back.

Paramount as well as Microsoft both believe that downloads are the future and dual format owners had better wake up quick as to being a big part of the problem.


In case you haven't noticed, BD only owners rarely switch to both formats after owning BD but lots of hd dvd owners have been.

WOW, this is like the single most Bestest(is that a word) Post in the History of blu-ray.com....okay, maybe not that great, but it echoes my thoughts ENTIRELY.

and he didn't even mention Where is 1080p in HDDVD players?
the a20 does some trickery to acheive it, which is basically 540p. and the XA2 well, he has a laundry list of opportunities. And oh, If HDDVD is the "Movie Buffs" format, then why no 24p on any player? Like the HDDVD fanboys always try and say that we say about Blu-ray..."just wait, it's comming" ok, but I thought it was a complete spec?

If the spec is complete, why so many firmware updates adding in mandatory features? why does my HD-A1 still have playback snags 1 1/2 yrs of updates later? It's like Toshiba takes one step forward and 2 steps back. Maybe by firmware 5.7 they'll get it right? Don't know, but I won't be investing in any more HDDVD only hardware. At best, HDDVD can Hope I may buy a combo player down the line to replace my buggy A1.

Well, gotta go...I gotta go boil some water on the stove, because I want to watch one of my combo discs. No problem though, because if I start up my A1 now, by the time the water is at boiling temp, my player will be ready to play...

[Blu As Hell]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

what thread were we merged with? it's so hard to follow now...it might as well have all been deleted then. Posts are all out of place etc. there are several differen't conversations all intermingled, looks more like an aol chatroom in here.

You're right, the merge didn't work out to well.

[Uxi]

I agree the original posters point, though I disagree with his ultimate stance.

I like the old saying that one should be either warm or cold, or be spit out.

PQ has been a wash while Blu-ray has delivered a better audio experience by virtue of it's superior record of lossless releases. That said, I'm not going to be deprived of certain movies so do buy both right now, though it's been many months since I've bought an HDDVD (have had a few given as gifts), but ultimately, one either believes BDA is right Blu-ray has the longetivity to not force later titles out of the spec, as DVD did, or they believe HDDVD is good enough before downloads take over. There isn't much groundroom for inbetween there.