Panasonic TC-P50V10 available?

[_kirk_]

I'm seeing the 50" V10 available online at Vann's, and I'm highly tempted to bite on it and order one.

I've been browsing these forums and others (AVS) and read a review of the British version of the set, and I'm 95% certain that the V10 is the set I want to get, but just as a caution I thought I'd try to confirm a few things:

- Is it indeed true that the V10 has 96Hz setting for 24p playback as opposed to 48Hz on the G10 and below, and thus should avoid the flicker issue with 24p?

- Are there any known differences in picture quality on the preset THX settings between the G10 and the V10?

- Does the service menu on the Panasonics allow enough customizing to improve much upon the THX settings?

Basically, I'm trying to figure out if it's worth going with the V10. The 24p playback issue is likely enough of a deciding factor for me (if true) to go with the V10, and if the US model is similar to the UK model, it sounds like the out of the box THX setting is awfully good and may seriously reduce the need to get professional calibration done. The fact it's a slimmer and better looking TV with the single pane look would just be icing on the cake.

Thanks in advance...

[meloveHD]

Well, until a pro can get his hands on one and gets the chance to review the set its all kind of up in the air. It would certainly seem though that at least the 96Hz should improve (or maybe eliminate??) the G10 flicker. But unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any definite answers yet

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by _kirk_

I'm seeing the 50" V10 available online at Vann's, and I'm highly tempted to bite on it and order one.

I've been browsing these forums and others (AVS) and read a review of the British version of the set, and I'm 95% certain that the V10 is the set I want to get, but just as a caution I thought I'd try to confirm a few things:

- Is it indeed true that the V10 has 96Hz setting for 24p playback as opposed to 48Hz on the G10 and below, and thus should avoid the flicker issue with 24p?

- Are there any known differences in picture quality on the preset THX settings between the G10 and the V10?

- Does the service menu on the Panasonics allow enough customizing to improve much upon the THX settings?

Basically, I'm trying to figure out if it's worth going with the V10. The 24p playback issue is likely enough of a deciding factor for me (if true) to go with the V10, and if the US model is similar to the UK model, it sounds like the out of the box THX setting is awfully good and may seriously reduce the need to get professional calibration done. The fact it's a slimmer and better looking TV with the single pane look would just be icing on the cake.

Thanks in advance...

I really don't understand why this is such a huge issue with people. All you have to do with the G10 is keep it at 60hz. The G10 does 3:2 pulldown correctly so really, it's a wash. The V-10 will have improvements over the G-10 but the 24p playback is hardly one of the major reasons.

[_kirk_]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I really don't understand why this is such a huge issue with people. All you have to do with the G10 is keep it at 60hz. The G10 does 3:2 pulldown correctly so really, it's a wash. The V-10 will have improvements over the G-10 but the 24p playback is hardly one of the major reasons.

It's admittedly being picky, but the idea behind watching 24fps sources in 24p mode is to see a film with the same presentation as you would in a theater. I'm sure the picture is great with a good 3:2 pulldown at 60Hz, but it's not exactly what the filmmaker created - you don't get a totally accurate "film look", since the set is displaying every 4th frame twice (to make up the difference between 24fps and 30fps).

It's probably somewhat analogous to audiophiles who insist on listening to vinyl rather than CD's.

[_kirk_]

My V10 is scheduled for delivery tomorrow afternoon. Once I've got things running, I'll try to post some impressions and verify the 24p works without flicker, but it may be this weekend before I have everything good to go and time to post.

[mtbkr]

as i noted in my other thread. i am having a confrence call with panasonic about their "v" line of tv's. if their are any details that you need to know i will be talking with them directly.

[jibucha]

Hello

What's so great?

Pioneer Elite Destroyer?

Outstanding!

Studio Ref Mode
Pro Setting
THX Mode

Digital Cinema Color
Deep Color
x.v.Color

24p Cinematic Playback l 96Hz
Moving Picture Resolution l 1080-lines
NeoPDP Display

I was so close to acquiring both the Pioneer Elite Pro-101FD & Pro-111FD, but given so many issues revolving around professional display calibration; I am ordering immediately.

I thought just this morning that I would have to wait until either July or August to acquire this display, but thanks to the poster of this thread, I am now ordering; what a gift today!

Thank You

[_kirk_]

Originally Posted by jibucha

I was so close to acquiring both the Pioneer Elite Pro-101FD & Pro-111FD, but given so many issues revolving around professional display calibration; I am ordering immediately.

I thought just this morning that I would have to wait until either July or August to acquire this display, but thanks to the poster of this thread, I am now ordering; what a gift today!

Thank You

I was tempted to bite on some of the great deals that are out there on the Pioneers as retailers are trying to close out their inventory. But ultimately, money is still a factor and I couldn't rationalize the (at least) $1000 more that it would take to get one than what I spent on the V10. Hopefully the V10 justifies that decision...

[Homey]

Originally Posted by mtbkr

as i noted in my other thread. i am having a confrence call with panasonic about their "v" line of tv's. if their are any details that you need to know i will be talking with them directly.

Ask them the pricing on the TC-P65V10

[_kirk_]

Got the new TV (and the new receiver) unpacked and plugged in last night (after a lot of re-wiring and whatnot).

Here's the new TV:



(the lens flare from the camera flash is a nice effect)

[Little King]

Damn Sexy. I'm interested in purchasing V10, as are many here. Gotta give us some hands on report soon! One question for me, how does it fair when you watch TV with light? Is it as bright as current LCD's on the market?

[_kirk_]

I'm not going to be the best source for the answer to that question - my TV room is in the basement in a room with no windows and only one light, so even with lights on, the room will never be particularly bright.

[_kirk_]

OK, I picked up "Casino Royale" on BD on the way home and watched about 45 minutes of it.

First off - wow! This is why I dropped a few thousand on upgrading all my equipment to HD. The picture looked amazing. I guess the Kuro's might be somewhat better (according to most of the experts), but it's hard to imagine they're half again as much to twice as much better given the price differences. Really dark darks, but not so dark that subtle detail is lost in the darks. Color seems great, though I admit I haven't calibrated against reference images. I'm not surprised that the THX mode tested very well right out of the box - that's what I watched BD in, and it looked outstanding.

So I went into my PS3 settings and ensured that 24p playback was occurring, then experimented with the 24p refresh settings on the V10. At 48Hz, there was a frequent "flashing" kind of effect - this must be what people are talking about with the 24p mode on the G10's. It should be noted that I didn't perceive it happened constantly, but I did notice it. Switched it to 96Hz and...

...no flicker. Tried really hard to notice something, but I couldn't perceive any kind of refresh issue.

Now, maybe my eyes just aren't catching it, but it seems safe to say that the 96Hz refresh rate works as intended - not that this is a surprise, by all means that rate of refresh should eliminate the problems seen at 48Hz, but nice to know that it is confirmed.

Still haven't really experimented with custom settings much (other than turning contrast and brightness to 50 or below for the time being as I'm being slightly cautious with the set). Hopefully this weekend I'll get a little more time to play around and see what settings can be adjusted in what modes (and which, if any, are permanently greyed-out on this set).

One concern though - I fired up Rock Band 2 for the first time on the new TV, and it seemed like I might be getting a bit of gaming lag. I'll have to verify it's not just the controller batteries dying, but I'll be a bit disappointed if this persists.

[MasterSandman]

Originally Posted by _kirk_

One concern though - I fired up Rock Band 2 for the first time on the new TV, and it seemed like I might be getting a bit of gaming lag. I'll have to verify it's not just the controller batteries dying, but I'll be a bit disappointed if this persists.

I know on Guitar Hero, you can calibrate the lag in one of the option menus...you should be able to do that with Rock Band to help eliminate the lag too

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by _kirk_

OK, I picked up "Casino Royale" on BD on the way home and watched about 45 minutes of it.

First off - wow! This is why I dropped a few thousand on upgrading all my equipment to HD. The picture looked amazing. I guess the Kuro's might be somewhat better (according to most of the experts), but it's hard to imagine they're half again as much to twice as much better given the price differences. Really dark darks, but not so dark that subtle detail is lost in the darks. Color seems great, though I admit I haven't calibrated against reference images. I'm not surprised that the THX mode tested very well right out of the box - that's what I watched BD in, and it looked outstanding.

Yeah I really want to see some direct comparisons between the V10 and the Kuro elite. It would tremendously help me decide between them.

[4TA23]

One thing to remember about the V models up to 50" is they have a single pane of glass which greatly cuts down on reflections. My Pio 5020 has this and I never notice reflections at all so hopefully the V series has the same effect.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by 4TA23

One thing to remember about the V models up to 50" is they have a single pane of glass which greatly cuts down on reflections. My Pio 5020 has this and I never notice reflections at all so hopefully the V series has the same effect.

Yeah, the single pane of glass is such a simple & brilliant design. Its also aids in over-all PQ & enjoyment of the set.

Congrats to all the V10 owners!!! Enjoy umm. I can't wait to see someone pickup a 65" V10!

[Little King]

Thought the 54 inch had a single pane of glass too...

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Little King

Thought the 54 inch had a single pane of glass too...

It does.

[_kirk_]

Originally Posted by MasterSandman

I know on Guitar Hero, you can calibrate the lag in one of the option menus...you should be able to do that with Rock Band to help eliminate the lag too

I figured there must be something like this available. I'll dig in to the Rock Band menus to see if there's a calibration option.