"Resurrection" - Coming from Vinegar Syndrome in September 2021

[DuckLeQuack]

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178741&i=1&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178740&i=0&l=0

Thoughts on the drastic changes?

Personally, not impressed. It seems the German grading on at least some caps gives off much better atmosphere.

[A Tortured Duckling]

Originally Posted by DuckLeQuack

[Show spoiler]https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178741&i=1&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178740&i=0&l=0

Thoughts on the drastic changes?

Personally, not impressed. It seems the German grading on at least some caps gives off much better atmosphere.

You.

Me.

Tomorrow at noon, in front of the saloon.

You best prepare yourself because I don't take kindly to new ducks strolling into town.

There can be only one.

[Donut]

I can certainly see a whole lot more in those new screencaps. That makes it appealing to me. Though the previous release does indeed capture more of a cold and dreary atmosphere, which is fine, but everyone's faces looking pink still really bothers me.

[DR Herbert West]

I definitely prefer the new scan.

[latehong]

I prefer the colors and details of the new scan too, but doesn't it look horizontally stretched a bit? Especially in these shots:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178748&i=8&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...78750&i=10&l=0

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by DuckLeQuack

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178741&i=1&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178740&i=0&l=0

Thoughts on the drastic changes?

Personally, not impressed. It seems the German grading on at least some caps gives off much better atmosphere.

Looks like a gamma mistake to me. A switch. 0-255 vs 16-235. Way too bright.

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by latehong

I prefer the colors and details of the new scan too, but doesn't it look horizontally stretched a bit? Especially in these shots:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...178748&i=8&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...78750&i=10&l=0

aspect ratio may be incorrectly set to 1.85:1 when it should be 1.78:1

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

I definitely prefer the new scan.

I prefer the mood/details of the older scan; but I prefer the color-grading of the new one
I can't win.
I've seen 'amateurs' re-grade movies, but I'd have zero clue how to do that and preserve quality.

[bilbofett]

Going through the caps aholic pics again,.. I subjectively see more dynamic range and finer details on the German scan (perhaps because its darker w/ less 'boosted' resolution?). I hate that pink-green hue from the older master, but I think the gamma is jacked on the new master, they probably mistakenly set it to 0-255 when it should be 16-235 (X-files did the same mistake on S8 or S9?).
Every scene is re-framed between the two! In the scene between Lambert and Orser sitting outside, you can see the top of his coffee cup and watch on the US version, whereas most of the hand and the watch are cropped out on the German one. It's like this for every single scene.
It's frustrating because the overall bit-rate is something like 20 on the German, and 40 on the US. What a missed opportunity.
And why couldn't they just port the commentary over? And the 20 mins of deleted scenes?
Sorry VS if you're reading this. Thanks for the work you put in. 7.75/10 just going off these images. If you didn't boost the brightness would've been an 8.5/10. Commentary + deleted scenes = 9/10.

[Markgway]

The film was meant to replicate the moody, gloomy style of Se7en, so the darker transfer is almost certainly more accurate to the filmmakers' intent. Too dark? Possibly. But the new VS transfer is certainly far too bright. The DE transfer is very red, noticeable in the skin tones, but whether that's another intentional effect or a grading SNAFU, I don't know.

[pixote]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

Going through the caps aholic pics again,.. I subjectively see more dynamic range and finer details on the German scan (perhaps because its darker w/ less 'boosted' resolution?). I hate that pink-green hue from the older master, but I think the gamma is jacked on the new master, they probably mistakenly set it to 0-255 when it should be 16-235 (X-files did the same mistake on S8 or S9?).
Every scene is re-framed between the two! In the scene between Lambert and Orser sitting outside, you can see the top of his coffee cup and watch on the US version, whereas most of the hand and the watch are cropped out on the German one. It's like this for every single scene.
It's frustrating because the overall bit-rate is something like 20 on the German, and 40 on the US. What a missed opportunity.
And why couldn't they just port the commentary over? And the 20 mins of deleted scenes?
Sorry VS if you're reading this. Thanks for the work you put in. 7.75/10 just going off these images. If you didn't boost the brightness would've been an 8.5/10. Commentary + deleted scenes = 9/10.

Are the deleted scenes good? I’m a VS subscriber and have a copy of this on the way but I actually prefer the German screencaps because of the atmosphere. The red skin tones don’t bother me as much. Trying to decide if I should grab a copy of the German edition the next time I import from Amazon Germany

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by Markgway

The film was meant to replicate the moody, gloomy style of Se7en, so the darker transfer is almost certainly more accurate to the filmmakers' intent. Too dark? Possibly. But the new VS transfer is certainly far too bright. The DE transfer is very red, noticeable in the skin tones, but whether that's another intentional effect or a grading SNAFU, I don't know.

that's how the original master was done, extra pink+green, he says so in the commentary.
Seems they backed way off on that for the new remaster.

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by pixote

Are the deleted scenes good?

I've not seen them.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

that's how the original master was done, extra pink+green, he says so in the commentary.
Seems they backed way off on that for the new remaster.

In that case the VS is completely borked.

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by Markgway

In that case the VS is completely borked.

we could lower the brightness (or gamma) a few ticks when watching.
The more savvy could do a re-encode w/ the gamma adjusted.
I still think the German release has more detail.
The framing is different between the two.

[Jay H.]

It's always fun watching Christopher Lambert murder the English language...

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

It's always fun watching Christopher Lambert murder the English language...

unlike Arnold, it did not become his trademark!

[DuckLeQuack]

Originally Posted by A Tortured Duckling

You.

Me.

Tomorrow at noon, in front of the saloon.

You best prepare yourself because I don't take kindly to new ducks strolling into town.

There can be only one.

HUH?? WHAT'S THAT??? How dare a pitiful little duckling like you go so far as to even think, even fantasize about challenging a ROYAL DUCK from the MOST SUPREME MOST IMPERIAL LeQuack lineage???


You know what? Go duck yourself!

[A Tortured Duckling]

Originally Posted by DuckLeQuack

HUH?? WHAT'S THAT??? How dare a pitiful little duckling like you go so far as to even think, even fantasize about challenging a ROYAL DUCK from the MOST SUPREME MOST IMPERIAL LeQuack lineage???


You know what? Go duck yourself!

Okay, you're right. I'm sorry.

[pixote]

I ended up finding a cheap copy of the German Disc ($6 shipped) so I'm going to watch it and the VS edition and decide which I prefer. The VS disc showed up yesterday, the German will probably show up next week. I'm interested to see the deleted scenes on the German disc