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Old 04-24-2022, 01:04 PM   #21
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Not surprised about Netflix. The political stance they've taken, the price increase, and mediocre content they have all play into it.

Imo, Netflix is kind of done. Disney+ is where it's at.

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CNN+ Shutting Down Less Than a Month After Launch

New ownership is rethinking CNN's place in its streaming ecosystem.


Less than a month after it launched, the streaming service CNN+ will wind down operations, as its new corporate owner Warner Bros. Discovery rethinks the news giant’s streaming strategy. The service will shut down on April 30, after launching on March 29, a source familiar with the plans said.

CNN employees were set to be informed of the decision Thursday by incoming CNN CEO Chris Licht.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...6ab039a7423e93
When I heard this news it made me laugh because CNN+ was a terrible idea straight up. If people don't want to watch CNN, what would make them think they would pay for CNN+? Haha.

CNN is losing viewers, yet they thought this would have worked.. somehow.
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Old 04-24-2022, 02:48 PM   #22
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I think one of Netflix's biggest problems is that they cancel so many shows after 1 season. Personally I hold off watching a show until it's been confirmed it's getting a second season. If they committed automatically to giving all new shows at least two seasons, more people would take a chance on shows. Jupiter's Legacy and Cowboy Bebob being two recent examples.
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Old 04-24-2022, 03:33 PM   #23
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Cancelling Santa Clarita Diet was one of their biggest headscratchers. It was a huge hit, both audience wise and critically speaking. But it apparently wasn't enough to match Netflix's rigid metrics, so they cancelled it. It sucks that it ended on a cliffhanger. I'm still hoping it can be revived for one final season, or a movie.
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Old 04-24-2022, 04:34 PM   #24
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I think one of Netflix's biggest problems is that they cancel so many shows after 1 season. Personally I hold off watching a show until it's been confirmed it's getting a second season. If they committed automatically to giving all new shows at least two seasons, more people would take a chance on shows. Jupiter's Legacy and Cowboy Bebob being two recent examples.
On the other hand, they also saved or renewed some shows that were cancelled elsewhere, such as Lucifer, Longmire, Clone Wars etc.
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Old 04-24-2022, 07:38 PM   #25
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On the other hand, they also saved or renewed some shows that were cancelled elsewhere, such as Lucifer, Longmire, Clone Wars etc.
Good point. Was very happy myself with some more seasons of Lucifer.
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Old 04-25-2022, 01:31 PM   #26
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Disney and HBO have proven that most people want quality, not quantity.
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Old 04-25-2022, 01:40 PM   #27
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Disney and HBO have proven that most people want quality, not quantity.
Quality or Streaming, those are the choices.

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Quality or Streaming, those are the choices.
Great, the disc troll found this thread.
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Old 04-25-2022, 01:59 PM   #29
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The disc lover from Blu Ray dot com. That's me.

Is there no Streaming dot com ? (apparently not that links to Prime Video.)
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Old 04-25-2022, 02:04 PM   #30
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If you really did like disc as much as you say, you wouldn't be trolling the digital forums. You're in denial and it's not a good look.
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Old 04-25-2022, 02:05 PM   #31
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Do you really think I don't like discs ?

I watch streaming stuff sometimes. I subscribe to ATV+, Disney+, Netflix and I use my neighbors Hulu with live TV.

=Brian

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Old 04-26-2022, 03:25 PM   #32
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This is a long read and is focused on the spectacular implosion of CNN+, but it covers a lot of WB/HBO/Discovery areas as well.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...3DRSS_business

The near-instant collapse of CNN+ amounted to one of the most spectacular media failures in years, a $300 million experiment that ended abruptly with layoffs in the offing and careers in disarray. The corporate tug of war over its fate exposed deep philosophical divides about the future of digital media, as executives struggle to navigate a rapidly changing marketplace in which technology and consumer habits shift day to day.

And it reflected the awkward regulatory dance of two media giants merging even as a high-profile project hurtled toward completion. Discovery had some concerns about CNN+ but was constrained from directly guiding one of its streaming competitors until the deal closed.

Then came an ominous sign. On March 14, two weeks before CNN+ was to start, Gunnar Wiedenfels, Discovery’s chief financial officer, appeared at a Deutsche Bank conference and declared that Discovery+ and WarnerMedia’s HBO Max would be rolled up into a single giant “blowout” mega platform.

Wiedenfels did not mention CNN+. After that conference, Morse asked again if his team could speak with Discovery; for a third time, no such meeting took place.

His concerns were well-founded.

Discovery executives were skeptical of CNN+. Zaslav and his team had experienced bad luck with single-topic streaming services; their niche platforms dedicated to cars, food and golf were costly and ended in failure.

A cable-TV pioneer known in the industry simply as “Zas,” Zaslav had devised the deal that brought together Discovery and Warner Bros., a late-career move that made him one of the most powerful people in media.

Discovery believed in the power of big-tent streaming services, especially given the crowded market. It was also about to assume $55 billion in debt stemming from the merger, and executives needed to find $3 billion in savings.

Despite the skepticism radiating from Discovery, Kilar — who oversaw Zucker’s exit and has a reputation as an iconoclast — did not consider scrapping the start of CNN+. He assumed that Discovery had fully understood when it agreed to the merger that WarnerMedia was readying an ambitious new digital CNN product.

He forged ahead. “It would be hard to overstate how important this moment is for CNN,” he wrote on Twitter on the day the service started.

Zaslav and his team were confounded. Discovery was poised to take over the company within weeks. Why not just delay?

Still, aides to Zaslav admitted one advantage: They would get a look at CNN+’s performance, akin to a movie’s opening-night box office. Maybe once they looked under the hood, CNN+ would exceed their low expectations.

The next day, some unflattering statistics were reported by CNBC and Axios. CNN executives were dismayed. And they grew suspicious of their new superiors from Discovery, believing they had leaked the data to create a pretext to shut down the service.

Supporters of CNN+ lamented that the streaming service was not given much of a chance and argued that the decision was harmful to the CNN brand, a misstep that would leave the network unprepared for a future in which few Americans still watch cable TV.

For the rank-and-file, it was a brutal blow. Commiserating over doughnuts, employees were told by Rebecca Kutler, CNN+’s head of programming, that they were not required to come into the office if they did not have a specific responsibility.

Kasie Hunt, who left a MSNBC job for CNN+, ended her final show Friday with a tribute to her staff. “They left stable jobs; some of them moved across the country; they all took huge risks,” she said. “If you are hiring journalists, they are the best in class.”
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Old 04-26-2022, 03:25 PM   #33
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Old 04-26-2022, 03:34 PM   #34
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you can say that again
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a $300 million experiment that ended abruptly
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The New York Times has a good behind the scenes breakdown:

Inside the Implosion of CNN+

Seen as the future of CNN, the streaming channel was suddenly killed. Its soon-to-be owner, Discovery, had concerns but until the deal closed, it was constrained in guiding a competitor.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/b...ry-warner.html
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The New York Times has a good behind the scenes breakdown:

Inside the Implosion of CNN+

Seen as the future of CNN, the streaming channel was suddenly killed. Its soon-to-be owner, Discovery, had concerns but until the deal closed, it was constrained in guiding a competitor.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/24/b...ry-warner.html
This is probably the best and most informative article about streaming I have read.

Really interesting details!
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Some interesting numbers about the subscription streaming market:

https://the-media-leader.com/us-vide...growth-stalls/

In part the slowdown is probably because the pandemic boost is now over, and another that consumers are apparently reaching the limit of how many subscriptions they are willing to pay for (4.7 on average). Also interesting that Amazon, HBO Max, Disney+ and even Paramount+ gain more new subscribers now than Netflix. Hulu and Peacock look even worse. More consolidation coming, I guess.

I'm a bit concerned about the growth of ad-supported services. Hopefully ad-free tiers will remain available in the long run. I hate ads with a passion.
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Some interesting numbers about the subscription streaming market:

https://the-media-leader.com/us-vide...growth-stalls/

In part the slowdown is probably because the pandemic boost is now over, and another that consumers are apparently reaching the limit of how many subscriptions they are willing to pay for (4.7 on average). Also interesting that Amazon, HBO Max, Disney+ and even Paramount+ gain more new subscribers now than Netflix. Hulu and Peacock look even worse. More consolidation coming, I guess.

I'm a bit concerned about the growth of ad-supported services. Hopefully ad-free tiers will remain available in the long run. I hate ads with a passion.
I don't mind as long as it's limited. Paramount+ has a limited ad plan and the ads are barely noticeable IMO.
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CNN definitely has name recognition. I think the question is more what that brand is worth now and in the near-to-medium term.

But even if CNN could negotiate deals allowing them to have an app with a livestreaming service, I just don't see that being a successful streaming service anywhere near what allegedly was spent on CNN+. Granted, they could've invested more in content for true learning (like a big budget version of Curiosity Stream), and that probably would've been more successful, but I think there are limitations to the brand (as with any of the legacy major media companies - maybe a "PBS+" would be the one possibility).
Definitely agree with all this.
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