HDMI Scaling.. I'm pissed!!!!

[msnoopy22]

So I've been search for an AV Receiver. Just about to demo a couple. I get to my local Sound & Vison store. The salesman tells me that the receiver I have been looking at the Pio Elite's SC05, Denon 2309/10, Denon 1909/10. Onkyo 607. Dont do this "HDMI Scaling". He goes on to tell me that they will upscale thru the analog signal. They will upconvert to a 1080p signal, but not thru the HDMI. He says if I want to get a receiver that does the upscaling thru HDMI I need to get an Intergra 8.9, Denon 5309, or a Yamaha 3900.

THE PRICE JUST JUMP $1,000!!!!!!!!! My price range is $750-$1,000. Now I have to spend $1,800 to get what I want. He explained if I stayed at my price point that I would have to run a coax cable to get audio. I am extremely dissapointed. I'm back to the drawing board.

He did say the Integra 8.9 was the best bang for the buck at $1,800 because it has 65 amp

PLEASE HELP!!! Is this saleman lying to me???? or Do I really have to go up $1,000 to get an AV Receiver that will upconvert an HDMI signal to 1080p????

[CasualKiller]

What exactly do you need it for? I can only think of analog/component uses for scaling.

[Oddiophile]

Video processors in AV receivers are not very good. If you want GOOD video scaling your better off getting a receiver without it and adding a DVDO Edge stand alone video processor. The Edge will beat most if not all receivers out there and most DVD & blu-ray players with up-conversion. http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/

[funnymanbing]

He said that you would have to run a coax cable to get audio from a SC05? That's not right.

[cembros]

your tv will scale everything to 1080p through hdmi anyway, thats why you dont see this option in to many receivers. As for needing to connect audio through coax at that price range, thats bull you can find 200 dollar receives that will run audio through hdmi. Get the pioneer sc05 at best buy for 999 buck (you can get them to go lower) and be done with it.

[CasualKiller]

Nevermind, found my answer here:

Page 19-20

http://www.yamaha-uk.com/pdf/hdmi.pdf

Still don't see the point of it

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by cembros

your tv will scale everything to 1080p through hdmi anyway, thats why you dont see this option in to many receivers. As for needing to connect audio through coax at that price range, thats bull you can find 200 dollar receives that will run audio through hdmi. Get the pioneer sc05 at best buy for 999 buck (you can get them to go lower) and be done with it.

+1....sounds like the salesman was exactly that, trying to upsell you a more expensive piece of equipment to fatten his pockets. Listen to cembros and get the SC-05, it is an incredible receiver and as soon as I find one for the right price myself, it will be my next receiver as well.

[funnymanbing]

That salesman is trying to take you for a ride. I'd recommend the SC05 too, but don't buy it from that guy.

[SlmShdy1]

Basically, the receivers you're looking at in your price range, will take an analog signal (480i, 480p, etc.) and upconvert it to 1080p via HDMI. Whatever that guy is telling you is bull****. As for the audio, what everyone here is saying is right. You wouldn't need digital coax for sound. Those receivers will do audio through HDMI.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Video processors in AV receivers are not very good. If you want GOOD video scaling your better off getting a receiver without it and adding a DVDO Edge stand alone video processor. The Edge will beat most if not all receivers out there and most DVD & blu-ray players with up-conversion. http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/

While I read the website, explain this Edge machine more to me - it looks interesting...

[msnoopy22]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

Basically, the receivers you're looking at in your price range, will take an analog signal (480i, 480p, etc.) and upconvert it to 1080p via HDMI. Whatever that guy is telling you is bull****. As for the audio, what everyone here is saying is right. You wouldn't need digital coax for sound. Those receivers will do audio through HDMI.

The saleman told me that say if I would run my Satelite (DISHNETWORK) to my AV RECEIVER via HDMI, that the receiver wouldn't upconvert the signal thru HDMI to 1080p. He said if I wanted it to go up to 1080p I would have to run it thru the component cable. He then went on to say that if I wanted audio I would need to run it thru Digital Coax or Digital Optical.

In essence, he told me if I was watching a standard def. signal say like MTV. I need to run component and the Digital optical. I thought it was bull. He even brought out a chart with HDMI pass thru saying that the HDMI 720p signal will never convert up to a 1080p signal by using the HDMI. He went on to tell me if I wanted a blu-ray type picture I would be wasting my money on the receivers that I was looking at.

So he's just full of it, right?

[cembros]

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

The saleman told me that say if I would run my Satelite (DISHNETWORK) to my AV RECEIVER via HDMI, that the receiver wouldn't upconvert the signal thru HDMI to 1080p. He said if I wanted it to go up to 1080p I would have to run it thru the component cable. He then went on to say that if I wanted audio I would need to run it thru Digital Coax or Digital Optical.

In essence, he told me if I was watching a standard def. signal say like MTV. I need to run component and the Digital optical. I thought it was bull. He even brought out a chart with HDMI pass thru saying that the HDMI 720p signal will never convert up to a 1080p signal by using the HDMI. He went on to tell me if I wanted a blu-ray type picture I would be wasting my money on the receivers that I was looking at.

So he's just full of it, right?

what tv do you have, most tv's will scale all sources to their native resolution through hdmi. This means that if you have a 1080p tv if you have your cable box connected through hdmi you will be getting a 1080p image no matter what. Now will sd signals looks any better being scaled to 1080p, ehhhh ya but it wont look high def. Now as far as i know cable boxes and sat boxes will pass the audio through hdmi so you will not need a seperate audio connection. Lets say though that the cable/sat box doesnt pass audio through hdmi and you do need a seperate connection for audio, that fact will not change if you spend $500 or $5000 on a receiver. So the guy is just trying to upsell you.

[msnoopy22]

Originally Posted by cembros

what tv do you have, most tv's will scale all sources to their native resolution through hdmi. This means that if you have a 1080p tv if you have your cable box connected through hdmi you will be getting a 1080p image no matter what. Now will sd signals looks any better being scaled to 1080p, ehhhh ya but it wont look high def. Now as far as i know cable boxes and sat boxes will pass the audio through hdmi so you will not need a seperate audio connection. Lets say though that the cable/sat box doesnt pass audio through hdmi and you do need a seperate connection for audio, that fact will not change if you spend $500 or $5000 on a receiver. So the guy is just trying to upsell you.

I have a Kuro 5020. I know that it suppose to upscale. I just read that article on the one about upscaling. Upscaling just fills the screen & gets rid of the black bars at the top & bottom.

What I want the AV Receiver to do is to convert my standard 480i picture into a 1080p picture via using the HDMI cable. He says the Pio SC 05 won't do it. He tells me that the Pio will only do it thru component. The Salesaman tells me I need this Integra 8.9, 8.8, or 9.9 with this Silicon Optix Reon HQV video processing chip (HQV Reon-VX Chip for High-Performance Video Processing) otherwise I'm can't get a Blu-ray type picture thru my satelite provider.

I want a Blu-ray type picture no matter what I'm watching (playstation 3/blu ray, DVD, Standard Def, High Def, 480i, 480p, 720p,1080i)... I need the receiver to take what ever I'm running to it & make it a Blu ray type (HD picture).

[CasualKiller]

So what is wrong with using component and upscaling that? It would be the same info if it was running through HDMI.

Just to be clear, if you have a 480 source you want to upscale, it probably doesn't have HDMI anyway, the Pioneer will do what you want it to. Connect via component or analog and it will upscale it and sent it out via HDMI.

Edit again> I don't think the salesman was upselling you I think what you asked him for and what you are looking for are 2 different things.

[msnoopy22]

Originally Posted by CasualKiller

So what is wrong with using component and upscaling that? It would be the same info if it was running through HDMI.

Just to be clear, if you have a 480 source you want to upscale, it probably doesn't have HDMI anyway, the Pioneer will do what you want it to. Connect via component or analog and it will upscale it and sent it out via HDMI.

Edit again> I don't think the salesman was upselling you I think what you asked him for and what you are looking for are 2 different things.

To tell you the truth: I just spent a bunch of money on "Monster HDMI Cables". I want to use them. I don't want to use the Components.

On the 480 source. The reason why I want it to upconvert is I don't want to be able to tell the difference btwn ESPNHD and ESPN(standard def). I want the receiver to just do it all!!

[CasualKiller]

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

To tell you the truth: I just spent a bunch of money on "Monster HDMI Cables". I want to use them. I don't want to use the Components.

On the 480 source. The reason why I want it to upconvert is I don't want to be able to tell the difference btwn ESPNHD and ESPN(standard def). I want the receiver to just do it all!!

Yeah so that is going to cost more money, most receivers at the lower range cannot peel off an HDMI source signal and reprocess it, you need additional onboard hardware ( hence the additional cost).



Edit> well you can ignore the frowny face, you can always purchase your Pioneer and the scaler that Odd posted, appears to be a solid unit....

[cembros]

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

To tell you the truth: I just spent a bunch of money on "Monster HDMI Cables". I want to use them. I don't want to use the Components.

On the 480 source. The reason why I want it to upconvert is I don't want to be able to tell the difference btwn ESPNHD and ESPN(standard def). I want the receiver to just do it all!!

well you really wasted your money, those monster cable arnt going to give you any better a picture than a 10 dollar hdmi. Even with the integra sd content isnt going to look like blu ray, it will look only marginally better than an image being scaled by you tv at best. Is that worth all that extra cash. Using an hdmi connection with a receiver that does not scale hdmi will prob give you a better picture than using component and having the receiver upscale the image. No technology is going to make espn look like espn hd, its not possible even with the most expencive video processor

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by msnoopy22

To tell you the truth: I just spent a bunch of money on "Monster HDMI Cables". I want to use them. I don't want to use the Components.

On the 480 source. The reason why I want it to upconvert is I don't want to be able to tell the difference btwn ESPNHD and ESPN(standard def). I want the receiver to just do it all!!

Watching a game on ESPN HD (& it is really HD) & watching a game on ESPN SD and having them look the same is just wishful thinking. Sorry.

[funnymanbing]

You're asking for the impossible. No magic in this world will make a 480i SD picture look as good as a 1080p or 1080i image. Sorry.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by funnymanbing

You're asking for the impossible. No magic in this world will make a 480i SD picture look as good as a 1080p or 1080i image. Sorry.

or a 720p image