Death Wish 4K UHD (1974) - Page 6 - Blu-ray Forum

Member-222782 · 01-09-2023, 01:39 PM

Oh, boy.

One of the most highly anticipated 4K releases in a LONG time is possibly bungled, or, worse, misrepresented.

I take it Robert Harris doesn't have a lot of fans on this forum. Nobody seems to be taking him seriously on the proper Kino BD thread - yet. He even says the Blu-ray looks better

Yikes.

John Earls Umbrella · 01-09-2023, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 7Mile

Some early reports and reviews of Escape from Alcatraz said is was a DNR'd mess. I thought it was a decent transfer, so I'm not losing all my hope on Death Wish. Either way, the quality of Paramount UHD's is like a coin toss, at best.

Some people also said Pelham 123 was a wax fest as well, which it definitely isn’t. Waiting is definitely a good policy with 4K classics releases.

By_His_Strypes · 01-09-2023, 02:21 PM

I have to think some of the varying reviews w/ some of these titles is probably due to different setups. I'm still going to pickup Death Wish at this point anyways.

singhcr · 01-09-2023, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinema84

Oh, boy.

One of the most highly anticipated 4K releases in a LONG time is possibly bungled, or, worse, misrepresented.

I take it Robert Harris doesn't have a lot of fans on this forum. Nobody seems to be taking him seriously on the proper Kino BD thread - yet. He even says the Blu-ray looks better

Yikes.

Yeah, he doesn't have a lot of fans here as his reviews seem hit and miss but when he describes a ton of DNR that's not a good thing. How can this be a new scan when the BD has more grain? Ugh. This was one I was really looking forward to getting.

HeavyHitter · 01-09-2023, 02:23 PM

Different studio, but I wonder if this is a Platoon situation.

dallywhitty · 01-09-2023, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Different studio, but I wonder if this is a Platoon situation.

Doubt it. Michael Winner's been dead for years.

AKORIS · 01-09-2023, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by By_His_Strypes

I have to think some of the varying reviews w/ some of these titles is probably due to different setups. I'm still going to pickup Death Wish at this point anyways.

I've always thought that.. it's the only way to explain some of these extreme differing opinions

HeavyHitter · 01-09-2023, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Doubt it. Michael Winner's been dead for years.

To clarify, I was thinking more along the lines of how the UHD BD of Platoon looked like an old scan DNR'd where as the older BD retained grain.

singhcr · 01-09-2023, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AKORIS

I've always thought that.. it's the only way to explain some of these extreme differing opinions

Perhaps, but it could also be that different viewers have differing levels of knowledge on the quality of a scan, compression, DNR, etc and/or their tolerance for it.

tama · 01-09-2023, 02:50 PM

I know this much, Kino will advertise if it's a master that's been preprepped by Paramount (Escape from Alcatraz, Nobody's Fool) or if it's been done by themselves outside of the supposed raw scan (Death Wish).

Keep in mind RAH has also mistaken artifacts as grain in the past with BD/UHD comparisons (Liberty Valance, The Godfather).

Geoff D · 01-09-2023, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by singhcr

Perhaps, but it could also be that different viewers have differing levels of knowledge on the quality of a scan, compression, DNR, etc and/or their tolerance for it.

While I think there has to be a certain baseline of quality in a setup so that people are able to assess the content 'as is', at the same time some folks could literally have the greatest home cinema gear known to humankind with a giant projektion screen and still wouldn't be able to see DNR, EE, bad compression etc. That's not a swipe at any one person's opinion regarding this particular movie, more a general observation.

El Sleezo · 01-09-2023, 02:58 PM

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/a-f...age-in-4k-uhd/

I couldn’t really agree with his opinion of COTC and other assorted Arrow releases either. Of course we’ll get caps soon, and all will be revealed.

BrandonJF · 01-09-2023, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinema84

Oh, boy.

One of the most highly anticipated 4K releases in a LONG time is possibly bungled, or, worse, misrepresented.

I take it Robert Harris doesn't have a lot of fans on this forum. Nobody seems to be taking him seriously on the proper Kino BD thread - yet. He even says the Blu-ray looks better

Yikes.

It's one thing to take a "wait-and-see" approach when Harris heaps praise on a title, but if Harris says something negative it must be really bad.

Then again, Harris also has his take on UHDs from 2K masters in that thread and it's as simplistic as it gets. He has no interest in UHDs from 2K masters since there is no resolution benefit and they only add HDR for the image to pop on OLEDs. Uh..... ok.

Matt89 · 01-09-2023, 03:16 PM

Yeahhhhh I wanna see caps before I make any judgments.

Member-222782 · 01-09-2023, 03:38 PM

I thought Harris' comment about OLEDs was strange. He suggests that those of us with the high end TVs are the ones that might see any benefit with this release. Well, thankfully I have an OLED so I guess I'll keep my preorder

PeterTHX · 01-09-2023, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinema84

He even says the Blu-ray looks better

.

Did he?

I thought he said there was no appreciable upgrade in 4K, not that the Blu is better.

lilboyblu · 01-09-2023, 04:18 PM

Giving the image a 4 out of 5 overall and a "Pass", he doesn't seem to find it that bad. It's just an inconsistent review.

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Originally Posted by Robert A. Harris

Image - 4 (Dolby Vision)

Audio – 5 (DTS-HD MA)

Pass / Fail – Pass

Plays nicely with projectors - Yes

Makes use of and works well in 4k - 2

Upgrade from Blu-ray - No

Member-222782 · 01-09-2023, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Did he?

I thought he said there was no appreciable upgrade in 4K, not that the Blu is better.

Direct Harris quotes:

"the Blu-ray disc has a more natural grain structure".

"the Blu has a more natural appearance".

"If I had to purchase one or the other, I’d go for the Blu-ray, and not the 4k".

Harris is, in essence, saying the Blu-ray is better.

LeDroitDeTuer · 01-09-2023, 04:55 PM

Will wait for caps and people from here to chime in. Even if the remastered Blu-Ray is an improvement on the existing Warner Bros one, it'll be worth picking up for me since I don't have that one.

Christian Muth · 01-09-2023, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lilboyblu

Giving the image a 4 out of 5 overall and a "Pass", he doesn't seem to find it that bad. It's just an inconsistent review.

He amended his review to add a lot more details when directly comparing it to the Blu-ray.

Chris

01-09-2023, 01:39 PM	#101
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	Oh, boy. One of the most highly anticipated 4K releases in a LONG time is possibly bungled, or, worse, misrepresented. I take it Robert Harris doesn't have a lot of fans on this forum. Nobody seems to be taking him seriously on the proper Kino BD thread - yet. He even says the Blu-ray looks better Yikes.

01-09-2023, 02:21 PM	#103
By_His_Strypes Banned Member since:Oct 2014 4K collection:177 Blu-ray collection:367	I have to think some of the varying reviews w/ some of these titles is probably due to different setups. I'm still going to pickup Death Wish at this point anyways.

01-09-2023, 02:23 PM	#105
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	Different studio, but I wonder if this is a Platoon situation.

01-09-2023, 02:50 PM	#110
tama Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Location:San Jose, CA 4K collection:689 Blu-ray collection:1233	I know this much, Kino will advertise if it's a master that's been preprepped by Paramount (Escape from Alcatraz, Nobody's Fool) or if it's been done by themselves outside of the supposed raw scan (Death Wish). Keep in mind RAH has also mistaken artifacts as grain in the past with BD/UHD comparisons (Liberty Valance, The Godfather).

01-09-2023, 02:58 PM	#112
El Sleezo Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Burgerland 4K collection:710 Blu-ray collection:6733 DVD collection:130	https://www.hometheaterforum.com/a-f...age-in-4k-uhd/ I couldn’t really agree with his opinion of COTC and other assorted Arrow releases either. Of course we’ll get caps soon, and all will be revealed.

01-09-2023, 03:16 PM	#114
Matt89 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Toronto 4K collection:345 Blu-ray collection:370 iTunes collection:48 Trading Score:2	Yeahhhhh I wanna see caps before I make any judgments.

01-09-2023, 03:38 PM	#115
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	I thought Harris' comment about OLEDs was strange. He suggests that those of us with the high end TVs are the ones that might see any benefit with this release. Well, thankfully I have an OLED so I guess I'll keep my preorder

01-09-2023, 04:55 PM	#119
LeDroitDeTuer Power Member Member since:Jul 2021 4K collection:232 Blu-ray collection:1393 DVD collection:19	Will wait for caps and people from here to chime in. Even if the remastered Blu-Ray is an improvement on the existing Warner Bros one, it'll be worth picking up for me since I don't have that one.

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