Emergency Declaration (Germany)

[Mobe1969]

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Emerg...lu-ray/327588/

Not English friendly like Alienoid, but great to see more Asian cinema on UHD.

[Mobe1969]

Audio 7.1 vs the Well Go Atmos, and audio 5dB down (dialnorm I guess), but same graph.

I'll update when I have subs sorted, but both US and German are 23.976 so should be simple.

                                                                                                                  Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length   Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  -------  --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Emergency Declaration
Disc Size:      95,756,875,776 bytes
Protection:     AACS2(v76)
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.6.1 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 12.1.0.2)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS  
Length:                 2:20:39.055 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   89,384,546,304 bytes
Total Bitrate:          84.73 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       0 kbps              2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     0 kbps (0.00%)      1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / Dolby Vision FEL / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             German          0 kbps          5.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Korean          0 kbps          7.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           German          0 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           German          0 kbps                          

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:20:39.055     89,384,546,304  84,734 kbps     

CHAPTERS:

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STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
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General
Unique ID                      : 52010897392446376532580024905271944428 (0x2720EF3992E476AC8B6C743ADC6D24EC)
Complete name                  : D:\Video\Library\Movies\Emergency Declaration\Emergency Declaration (2022)(AVC)(Dolby TrueHD Atmos 7.1).mkv
Format                         : Matroska
Format version                 : Version 2
File size                      : 33.6 GiB
Duration                       : 2 h 20 min
Overall bit rate mode          : Variable
Overall bit rate               : 34.2 Mb/s
Movie name                     : Emergency Declaration (2022)(AVC)(Dolby TrueHD Atmos 7.1)
Encoded date                   : UTC 2023-03-18 05:48:24
Writing application            : MakeMKV v1.17.3 win(x64-release)
Writing library                : libmakemkv v1.17.3 (1.3.10/1.5.2) win(x64-release)

Video
ID                             : 1
ID in the original source medi : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L4.1
Format settings                : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 4 frames
Codec ID                       : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                       : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 29.5 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate               : 32.0 Mb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.593
Stream size                    : 29.0 GiB (86%)
Language                       : English
Default                        : No
Forced                         : No
Original source medium         : Blu-ray

Audio
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Format                         : MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info                    : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name                : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID                       : A_TRUEHD
Duration                       : 2 h 20 min
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 4 667 kb/s
Maximum bit rate               : 8 124 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 8 channels
Channel layout                 : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                     : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
Bit depth                      : 24 bits
Compression mode               : Lossless
Stream size                    : 4.59 GiB (14%)
Title                          : Surround 7.1
Language                       : Korean
Default                        : Yes
Forced                         : No
Original source medium         : Blu-ray
Number of dynamic objects      : 11
Bed channel count              : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration      : LFE

Menu
00:00:00.000                   : en:Chapter 01
00:11:54.839                   : en:Chapter 02
00:19:53.192                   : en:Chapter 03
00:28:39.175                   : en:Chapter 04
00:39:47.760                   : en:Chapter 05
00:48:24.985                   : en:Chapter 06
00:56:27.842                   : en:Chapter 07
01:13:30.614                   : en:Chapter 08
01:22:40.413                   : en:Chapter 09
01:32:29.377                   : en:Chapter 10
01:47:17.973                   : en:Chapter 11
01:59:14.188                   : en:Chapter 12
02:12:43.622                   : en:Chapter 13

[Mobe1969]

OK, subtitles: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yQ5...usp=share_link

Not that the transfer looks like it is the original Korean source, where the on screen cards are all Korean, not English, not like the Well Go (eg the text prior to the start, movie title), so subs cover those also.

For Atmos, it is a delay of -13879ms (so negative in tsmuxer/mkvtoolnix).

Here is what I mean on the 5db down:

[Mobe1969]

OK that remux settings are wrong sorry. I'm looking into it but they may be slightly different cuts. So subs also aren't right.

[SuperFist]

It's definitely a conundrum, my friend!

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by SuperFist

It's definitely a conundrum, my friend!

OK I think I have it. I can not explain it, but it is like the Well Go one is actually 24p not 23.976, so if you convert the HEVC to 24p, and put a delay of -13865 (adjusted for 23.976 to 24 delay) on the audio and chapters




Here is an updated sub with that -13865 delay
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yQ5...usp=share_link

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

OK I think I have it. I can not explain it, but it is like the Well Go one is actually 24p not 23.976, so if you convert the HEVC to 24p, and put a delay of -13865 (adjusted for 23.976 to 24 delay) on the audio and chapters

[Show spoiler]

Here is an updated sub with that -13865 delay
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yQ5...usp=share_link

Thanks for the great info about adjusting the frame rate in mkvtoolnix.
I haven’t done this before but I did convert the 23.976 FPS 5.1 of Dario Argento’s Opera in Audacity to have it fit for 24 FPS video and added the delay to the 5.1 in there as well. Lots more effort for the same thing.

But your method, Mobe, is great for Atmos and bigger multichannel tracks which might be too big for Audacity etc.

You check the delay timing by comparing the two video rips in a player like VLC, right?

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by nicwood

Thanks for the great info about adjusting the frame rate in mkvtoolnix.
I haven’t done this before but I did convert the 23.976 FPS 5.1 of Dario Argento’s Opera in Audacity to have it fit for 24 FPS video and added the delay to the 5.1 in there as well. Lots more effort for the same thing.

But your method, Mobe, is great for Atmos and bigger multichannel tracks which might be too big for Audacity etc.

You check the delay timing by comparing the two video rips in a player like VLC, right?

You can alternatively stretch the audio in the mkvtoolnix but it is really something you want to avoid. I've only had to do that once, for Sword Master 3D, as the DTS-X was 24p, but you have to have 23.976 for the 3d video. I just find it problematic as some apps don't seem to work properly with it. So I think if you look in subtitle edit with the remuxed stretched audio, the waveform they display is wrong and still the 24 or something like that. But changing the video framerate is simple and shows OK in media info.

I just used the old delay and recalced though. Maybe it is slightly off but I do find it problematic looking at that data once it is in an mkv with frame rate or stretch delays. So the info displayed may be wrong, referring to the original. But I'll try again if wrong. I will try it on another computer though (not a remote session). But this one is just so left field I can't say if anything other than trial and error will work. I mean the only way I got this to work went against what the metadata said. I had to treat the Atmos audio and subtitles as being 24p. That isn't what the metadata said, so even looking at frame numbers, timestamps, just leaves me with no faith in them... They are always suspect in the best of times due to how the streams work, key frames etc.

The alternative is just using the 7.1. I've posted a 23.976 subtitle stream for that too
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kXu...usp=share_link

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by nicwood

Thanks for the great info about adjusting the frame rate in mkvtoolnix.
I haven’t done this before but I did convert the 23.976 FPS 5.1 of Dario Argento’s Opera in Audacity to have it fit for 24 FPS video and added the delay to the 5.1 in there as well. Lots more effort for the same thing.

But your method, Mobe, is great for Atmos and bigger multichannel tracks which might be too big for Audacity etc.

You check the delay timing by comparing the two video rips in a player like VLC, right?

BTW you cannot "fix" an atmos or DTS-X track speed in Audacity - all you can do is save it in a format that looses all the object based metadata, so you'd be left with 7.1. To do the mkv metadata based time stretch in mkvtoolnix, in the "stretch by" field on the audio.

[Mobe1969]

OK my best frame accurate offset is -13875ms. The first frame of image after the title card is 3667 on the BD and 3334 on the 24, so 333 frames or 13875ms as 24p. Audio looks good on that. I will need to test on the zidoo though - unless someone beats me to it..

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

OK my best frame accurate offset is -13875ms. The first frame of image after the title card is 3667 on the BD and 3334 on the 24, so 333 frames or 13875ms as 24p. Audio looks good on that. I will need to test on the zidoo though - unless someone beats me to it..

All good, thank you. I’ve now ordered the US disc with the Atmos but will wait for a discount on the German 4k. Although I am from Germany and for one not having to pay shipping and VAT, 29 euros still is a bit too much for what isn’t a “major release” like a US blockbuster.

The 4k will likely stick around for longer, similar to The Ice Road from Capelight.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by nicwood

All good, thank you. I’ve now ordered the US disc with the Atmos but will wait for a discount on the German 4k. Although I am from Germany and for one not having to pay shipping and VAT, 29 euros still is a bit too much for what isn’t a “major release” like a US blockbuster.

The 4k will likely stick around for longer, similar to The Ice Road from Capelight.

Yeah that Ice Road UHD is nice! Capelight are different and seem to have a pattern, but Plaion is relatively new in this UHD space so not sure what they will be like. They typically have a pattern for regular cases after they sell out the exclusive. So oddly Ice Road is still just the steel book ,but given the price is really cheap now, they must have enough stock still, so can't say what will happen when that runs out. I'd suggest you grab that if you haven't yet!

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Yeah that Ice Road UHD is nice! Capelight are different and seem to have a pattern, but Plaion is relatively new in this UHD space so not sure what they will be like. They typically have a pattern for regular cases after they sell out the exclusive. So oddly Ice Road is still just the steel book ,but given the price is really cheap now, they must have enough stock still, so can't say what will happen when that runs out. I'd suggest you grab that if you haven't yet!

I found Emergency Declaration in a German shop called Media-Dealer for 24€.
Might just take it for that price instead of waiting months for a sale on Amazon.

I believe Plaion raised the price a bit since their Korean films seem to sell well. Decision to Leave has already sold out one of the cover variants during pre-order. Let’s just hope that the quality is good and they retained the Korean titles and the great amount of on-screen text. If they do, I’ll cancel and stick with the Mubi.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by nicwood

I found Emergency Declaration in a German shop called Media-Dealer for 24€.
Might just take it for that price instead of waiting months for a sale on Amazon.

I believe Plaion raised the price a bit since their Korean films seem to sell well. Decision to Leave has already sold out one of the cover variants during pre-order. Let’s just hope that the quality is good and they retained the Korean titles and the great amount of on-screen text. If they do, I’ll cancel and stick with the Mubi.

I've that on order also so I'll post updates. If there isn't a thread then I'll start it.

BTW, I just checked the remux and subs on the Zidoo and it looked and sounded perfect. So you have to ignore everything you see in metadata, and take it on faith the Atmos track for a 23.976 disc is for 24p. Just unbelievable. I still cannot grasp what the situation is here. But this works. I know this metadata jiggery is possible in an mkv, but I didn't think discs worked the same way.

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

I've that on order also so I'll post updates. If there isn't a thread then I'll start it.

BTW, I just checked the remux and subs on the Zidoo and it looked and sounded perfect. So you have to ignore everything you see in metadata, and take it on faith the Atmos track for a 23.976 disc is for 24p. Just unbelievable. I still cannot grasp what the situation is here. But this works. I know this metadata jiggery is possible in an mkv, but I didn't think discs worked the same way.

Unbelievable. I wonder how something like this can happen but at long last we’ll get to the bottom of it. Great work. Hopefully this is a one-off thing and you can enjoy the film after such an effort.

[unberechenbar]

How is the PQ/AQ on this?

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

How is the PQ/AQ on this?

I received both the Well Go BD and Plaion 4K today.

Before attempting a remux I gave the film a go to see if it’s any good and worth the effort.

I took the BD for the Atmos and wasn’t disappointed in both video and audio.
The Atmos is fantastic and worth the price. Loud and heavy at times - no Blade Runner 2049 of course but along the lines of what a really well-mixed Hollywood blockbuster would deliver. Well Go encoded it at a surprisingly high bitrate. I checked it here and there and during the loud moments they pushed it to 7 / 7.5 Mbps. LFE didn’t sound neutered to my ears.
PQ is solid, BD-50 with nothing egregious. Some banding here and there but considering the length it’s okay.

When comparing (select moments) with the DV 4K, these issues are eliminated and things like camera noise and color balances greatly enhanced. It seems like Plaion did a great job here. The 7.1 sounds perfectly fine but I think I felt a little extra more punch on the Well Go Atmos.

Also, notably, Well-Go altered text cards and credits by changing the font and translating them into English. This is akin to what the German labels usually do, which I hate. I also hated it here. It looks cheap. The font is something they probably found in the standard font kit in Word, resembling what Michael Bay might have taken in the early 2000s.

Funnily, the German release left the master as is. Text is all Korean. This bodes well for Plaion’s forthcoming Decision to Leave.

In the end, the best of both worlds would be fantastic to have in a definitive package.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by nicwood

I received both the Well Go BD and Plaion 4K today.

Before attempting a remux I gave the film a go to see if it’s any good and worth the effort.

I took the BD for the Atmos and wasn’t disappointed in both video and audio.


When comparing (select moments) with the DV 4K, these issues are eliminated and things like camera noise and color balances greatly enhanced. It seems like Plaion did a great job here. The 7.1 sounds perfectly fine but I think I felt a little extra more punch on the Well Go Atmos.

Yeah the 7.1 is about 7db down on the atmos levels.

[Angry Virginian]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

OK my best frame accurate offset is -13875ms. The first frame of image after the title card is 3667 on the BD and 3334 on the 24, so 333 frames or 13875ms as 24p. Audio looks good on that. I will need to test on the zidoo though - unless someone beats me to it..

What tool did you use to get the frame numbers?

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by Angry Virginian

What tool did you use to get the frame numbers?

Mpc-be I think.