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Old 07-12-2023, 05:43 PM   #1
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Hey. I can see people mentioning that the Sony OLEDs have more accurate colours than LG. This would make sense because Sony makes cameras and reference monitors and they would be able to use this knowledge in their TVs.
I am strictly speaking about WOLED here and not QD-OLEDs.

I have also heard that Panasonic has the best colours on their OLEDs.
Is one manufacturer in fact better at displaying accurate colours or does it come down to a personal preference?
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:00 PM   #2
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:16 PM   #3
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Old 07-13-2023, 06:01 AM   #4
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Panasonic. But two things... Sony is close. We're talking tiny percentages of average difference. And this is in uncalibrated modes. And bear in mind despite those being "more accurate" out of the box? LG G3 is now the preferred option of 'consumer reference' display for deployment in post-houses to grade. Some are now primarily with this. So that what the colorists see on consumer OLED is what the majority of us end up seeing.

All 3 brands when calibrated are supposed to be as to themselves accurate as possible, and the standard, some fraction of percentages off at worst. Post calibration a good egg would know how close and kinds of consideration for compensating grading to the set in front of them. Or they might also get hand picked golden samples shipped to them by the manufacturer (prob most likely).
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:53 AM   #5
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I wonder if this is a firmware bug

“Sound & Vision: Hey LG, why is the picture quality on your OLEDs so green?“
https://www.trustedreviews.com/opini...-green-4324543
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Old 07-13-2023, 08:20 AM   #6
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Old 07-13-2023, 11:36 AM   #7
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Panasonic's Filmmaker mode is likely to get you closer to correctness without further calibration. Professional calibration will probably make it a wash across LG, Sony and Panasonic OLEDs though; they'll all be so close that it won't matter much.
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Old 07-13-2023, 12:01 PM   #8
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I don’t know how to link YouTube videos suddenly.

Anyway it’s HDTV yearly “Video Test Award”.

At 2:39 “Colour Accuracy “

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Old 07-13-2023, 05:29 PM   #9
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Isn’t a green-appearance a side effect of a D65 white point in a certain combination of OLED and viewing conditions? Sony’s come with factory presets on the most accurate mode targeting the Judd alternative. It’s a bit controversial as not everyone agrees with the Judd alternative.
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Old 07-13-2023, 07:05 PM   #10
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You cannot rely 100% on manufacturers' default LUTs. However, both Sony, LG and Panasonic are products whose manufacturers take great care in their OOTB modes to offer the best possible experience in their most precise image modes.

Any LG, Sony or Panasonic OLED is going to get you very close in its most precise OOTB modes to the director's original intent.

What I have some reluctance with is DV. There I think, and it is a personal opinion, that Panasonic offers the best experience, since it has the best DV implementation.

Also keep in mind that Sony supports the alternate white point.

For all this my preferences are: Panasonic, LG and finally Sony

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Old 07-13-2023, 08:04 PM   #11
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I have a Sony 95K. HDR perfomance and tone mapping on this tv is so good that i honestly would be fine without DV. However, the TV DV implementation is also pretty good and it does TV led as well.
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My calibrated Sony A80J blew up in a thunderstorm. Sony replaced it with an A80K. Out of the box it equaled my A80J, to my eyes at least. Completely satisfied!
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Old 07-13-2023, 08:59 PM   #13
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Also keep in mind that Sony supports the alternate white point.

For all this my preferences are: Panasonic, LG and finally Sony
Sony don’t deserve to be last. If them having Judd out of the box is an issue they can be calibrated to D65 if you wish.

Sony’s DV is decent now they’ve gone to TV-led on newer models.

All 3 manufacturers are great choices for OLED. It’s the others where accuracy OOTB is more of a crapshoot. I wouldn’t kick any out of bed, I just fancy my Sony a little more than the rest.
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Its the panel that gives you 'accuracy' not the brand. The LG OLED panel has the reputation as the most color accurate while the current Samsung OLED panel has more LCD like color according to in-depth reviews.

Nobody else makes TV OLED panels.
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Its the panel that gives you 'accuracy' not the brand. The LG OLED panel has the reputation as the most color accurate while the current Samsung OLED panel has more LCD like color according to in-depth reviews.
Nonsense. Utter.
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Old 07-13-2023, 10:24 PM   #16
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I think you're ultimately good all-around with either Panasonic or Sony. I still love my Sony A9S OLED to pieces!
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Old 07-14-2023, 02:02 AM   #17
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Sony uses Judd offset WB, so the colors are wrong from the get go.
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Isn’t a green-appearance a side effect of a D65 white point in a certain combination of OLED and viewing conditions? Sony’s come with factory presets on the most accurate mode targeting the Judd alternative. It’s a bit controversial as not everyone agrees with the Judd alternative.
Interesting. That would explain the difference. Less green, but also not accurate.
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Interesting. That would explain the difference. Less green, but also not accurate.
Well, that's the argument. The meter may be reading D65, but it doesn't appear to the naked eye quite the same on OLED (or old CRT) as it would on LCD tech. So the Judd method is supposed to apply an offset so by eye, it appears more accurate even if the meter just reads the alterative white point figure. On paper it's wrong, but the offset is tackling how it appears to our eyes.

By being "wrong" via a light meter, the intent it to be more accurate to how we see it, not less. Perceptual matching. So I'm sold on Judd as a valid calibration target for OLED but that LCD tech should be sticking with D65.

They've done a terrible job of selling it though, so industry calibrators remain unevenly split in preference to D65 calibration regardless of screen tech. It'd be interesting to see someone collate all the evidence into one study - are those who think their OLEDs look green hitting on or around D65 all of the time and does calibration to Judd solve it perceptually?

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Hey. I can see people mentioning that the Sony OLEDs have more accurate colours than LG. This would make sense because Sony makes cameras and reference monitors and they would be able to use this knowledge in their TVs.
I am strictly speaking about WOLED here and not QD-OLEDs.

I have also heard that Panasonic has the best colours on their OLEDs.
Is one manufacturer in fact better at displaying accurate colours or does it come down to a personal preference?
If you mean out of the box, without calibration, nothing will match Panasonic OLEDs in accuracy

If you CAN calibrate, then LG can reach the same accuracy using Calman software AutoCal as LG supports 1DLut and 3DLut calibration
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