UK Considering Ban On Plasma HDTVs

[HDTV1080P]

I was shocked to hear that the UK may force all retail stores and mail order stores from selling Plasma screens in an effort to reduce UK household CO2 emissions. I hope this Plasma ban does not happen in the United States or for people in the UK.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/ukplasma091007.htm

If one wants to eliminate C02 emissions and have cleaner air then countries should move to 100% Nuclear energy. Also one day many years in the future 100% electric cars once perfected would be ideal if 100% of power comes from Nuclear power. Then no one needs to worry about C02 emissions. France already generates around 80% of its power from Nuclear energy that is completely clean and free of C02 emissions.
Of course another way to get people to conserve energy is to increase the price of electricity then some people will decide to use less electricity. Banning Plasma screens is not the answer to the C02 problem.

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"The Quality of Life Policy Group, a think-tank for the Conservative Party, is expected this week to call for the ban on several electrical devices including Plasma TVs and certain PCs and DVD players. "

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I was shocked to hear that the UK may force all retail stores and mail order stores from selling Plasma screens in an effort to reduce UK household CO2 emissions. I hope this Plasma ban does not happen in the United States or for people in the UK.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/ukplasma091007.htm

If one wants to eliminate C02 emissions and have cleaner air then countries should move to 100% Nuclear energy. Also one day many years in the future 100% electric cars once perfected would be ideal if 100% of power comes from Nuclear power. Then no one needs to worry about C02 emissions. France already generates around 80% of its power from Nuclear energy that is completely clean and free of C02 emissions.
Of course another way to get people to conserve energy is to increase the price of electricity then some people will decide to use less electricity. Banning Plasma screens is not the answer to the C02 problem.

I think its a good step. reducing the needs of the grids while increasing the output of ''green'' power. nuclear power is a good option, but a fusion generator instead of fission (or is it the other way) 1 is cleaner and safer (but more complicated) than the other. personally my electricity bill is on average $30-$40 a month 8 months out of the year, and more during the summer when the a/c is pumping. I love my home theater and other household thingies, but I believe each person has to take responsibility and take steps to reduce their consumption. there is not a single incandescant lightbulb in or around my house. everything is energy star and I limit the use of our central heating & a/c.

plus steps like this usually force technology to get better when they typically wouldn't.

ok, i'm just a hippie. except in format wars.

[GreenMotion]

Originally Posted by buckshot

personally my electricity bill is on average $30-$40 a month 8 months out of the year, and more during the summer when the a/c is pumping.

Wow, mine is about 300 - 350 during the summer and around 150 during the non summer months.

[aygie]

My Plasma heats my whole flat. (im not joking)

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by buckshot

I think its a good step. reducing the needs of the grids while increasing the output of ''green'' power. nuclear power is a good option, but a fusion generator instead of fission (or is it the other way) 1 is cleaner and safer (but more complicated) than the other. personally my electricity bill is on average $30-$40 a month 8 months out of the year, and more during the summer when the a/c is pumping. I love my home theater and other household thingies, but I believe each person has to take responsibility and take steps to reduce their consumption. there is not a single incandescant lightbulb in or around my house. everything is energy star and I limit the use of our central heating & a/c.

plus steps like this usually force technology to get better when they typically wouldn't.

ok, i'm just a hippie. except in format wars.

Fusion is theoretically much better than fission, but currently scientists cannot perform a fusion reaction that produces more energy than it uses.

nuclear power is of course much better than coal, but another tremendously powerful and clean form of energy is hydroelectric.

A ban on plasmas could help OLED tvs.

[jermwhl]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

Fusion is theoretically much better than fission, but currently scientists cannot perform a fusion reaction that produces more energy than it uses.

nuclear power is of course much better than coal, but another tremendously powerful and clean form of energy is hydroelectric.

A ban on plasmas could help OLED tvs.

What the hell!? Is this the science forum?

[buckshot]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

Fusion is theoretically much better than fission, but currently scientists cannot perform a fusion reaction that produces more energy than it uses.

nuclear power is of course much better than coal, but another tremendously powerful and clean form of energy is hydroelectric.

A ban on plasmas could help OLED tvs.

I thought they were building a fusion generator in europe? I read something about it a while ago.

and oled tvs sound so cool. I refrained from buying a plasma & from recommending one to my parents because of the energy consumption and heat output.

[supersix4]

thats good hope it does happen in the us lol

[Branden]

its a good step, industry will never clean up their act on their own accord. imagine if governments never regulated automotive fuel efficiencies and we were all still driving 10mpg boats around? jeez, filling up the past couple years woulda really sucked.
i remember when i was looking for my HDTV at the store standing infront of a wall full of plasmas, i could feel the heat pouring off it. not the deciding factor for not going plasma, but a definate drawback.

buckshot, yes a prototype fusion reactor is being built in europe:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4629239.stm

[clyon]

Originally Posted by buckshot

I thought they were building a fusion generator in europe? I read something about it a while ago.

and oled tvs sound so cool. I refrained from buying a plasma & from recommending one to my parents because of the energy consumption and heat output.

Yes & No. the problem is the Helium 3 is needed & it is not native on earth but is on the moon. The only way to get Helium 3 on earth is to use spent nuclear rods.

Helium (1) is used now in test reactors but produces so much nutrons that the reactor only last about 5-8 week before having to rebuilt the core but w/ Helium 3 a reactor will last about 10-15 years.


http://www.wired.com/science/space/news/2006/12/72276

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/226053.stm

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/helium3.htm

[Dace]

We have hydroelectricity here in Quebec Canada...not sure about the rest of Canada. Prob some places have nuclear :/

Hydro has its own problems I hear...creating dams that destroy wildlife habitats and such.

Boy, 300$ bill?! How big is your place?? Here its 135$ a month for a 1400sqft house. And its cheaper in the summer, since we don't have to heat. Canadian winters can be cold...although not lately. Hmmm...global warming I guess :/

Hydro-Quebec being a monopoly doesn't help either, they just increased their prices. Also we (Canada) supply the north-eastern part of US with hydroelectricity. Although the blackout from a few years ago wasn't our fault

I remember in the show "4300" they claimed it was one of the 4300, yeah right USA, please stop glorifying your mistakes with Rambo, The Marine and shows like the 4300...just say it was your fault and you're sorry lol That will never happen

[CptGreedle]

I'm not really that surprised. Europe seems to be really tight about some things, like DRM and environment and such. One of the reasons I bought my LCD and no a plasma was the energy use. Plasma wastes more energy (runs hot), weighs more, is more fragile (harder to move), and not as efficient as LCD, which tends to be lighter, easier to transport, weigh less, etc. Not that LCD doesn't have its own problems.
Still, I for one am trying to be environmentally friendly. Changed all my bulbs to energy efficient ones, cut down on power use (turning off AC, etc), etc. But one can only do so much.

[Sonny]

check my sig I have 2 plasmas & the heat off them is not as bad as you guys make it sound, & my 65inch is a monster hell the 50 is big but you can only feel the heat if you put your hand on it & its not really that hot.

[aristotles]

I think banning them is a good idea. There are a lot of plasma displays being sold as HDTV capable with a resolution of 1024X768 (stretched) which to me is extremely deceptive. Then there is the whole category of EDTV (enhanced definition) plasma displays which are around 480p widescreen resolution but also are marketed as being compatible with 1080i and 720p (HD Ready).

Plasma have problems with burn in, require more power and generally have inferior resolution.

Good riddance. Just think of how many broken and unwanted Plasma displays end up thrown away when they break, burn in or when the consumer realized that they have been suckered into buying a display that claims to be HD ready but has a resolution below even 720p.

I definitely support banning them on the low end but I understand that LCD is still prohibitively expensive for sizes above 50" where Plasmas are still a better value and scale to larger sizes.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by aristotles

I think banning them is a good idea. There are a lot of plasma displays being sold as HDTV capable with a resolution of 1024X768 (stretched) which to me is extremely deceptive. Then there is the whole category of EDTV (enhanced definition) plasma displays which are around 480p widescreen resolution but also are marketed as being compatible with 1080i and 720p (HD Ready).

Plasma have problems with burn in, require more power and generally have inferior resolution.

Good riddance. Just think of how many broken and unwanted Plasma displays end up thrown away when they break, burn in or when the consumer realized that they have been suckered into buying a display that claims to be HD ready but has a resolution below even 720p.

I definitely support banning them on the low end but I understand that LCD is still prohibitively expensive for sizes above 50" where Plasmas are still a better value and scale to larger sizes.

plasmas dont have burn in any more & the pic is very nice all I can give you is that they do take a lot of power, have a nice day

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Sonny

plasmas dont have burn in any more & the pic is very nice all I can give you is that they do take a lot of power, have a nice day

Did you totally miss the part about EDTV's and other plasma displays claiming to support HDTV signals while less than 720p resolution?

Those displays are rip off and the companies are effectively lying to the customers by using word games.

I also said that I understood that for 50"+ sizes, LCD's are still prohibitively expensive making Plasma with full 1080p resolution at 50" or greater a viable option.

Have a nice day.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Aygie

My Plasma heats my whole flat. (im not joking)

What the **** is a flat?

j/k

[Hussla]

What a load of crap!

Ive sold lcd's and plasmas for the last few years and even recent LCD's pump out as much heat if not more than some plasmas i've sold!

Factoring in that NO lcd I have yet sold has been able to out-do a balance in contrast ratios.

Yes LCD's CAN SOMETIMES be more energy efficient but they are still a somewhat inferior tech. And plasmas are far from perfect too.

If they are serious about reducing energy consumption, maybe more R&D into OLED technology perhaps?

[aygie]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

What the **** is a flat?

j/k

yo mamas Chest! Hahaha

[HDTV1080P]

Also the original article talked about banning high-end DVD players that use Class A amps that require more power and high-end PC’s that use higher wattage power supplies. I am surprised that in a forum where people are into home theater setups there is plenty of talk about banning plasma screens which produce a better picture quality compared to LCD’s.
If Plasma’s get banned where does it stop? Will the Denon and Martantz BLU-RAY players and other high-end BLU-RAY players be banned in the UK and possible one day in the US since they use a class A amplifier that requires more power? It makes more since long term to convert to a clean energy system that does not burn fossil fuels. Currently Nuclear Energy is clean for the air and generates plenty of power for everyone. Converting to a system that does not burn fossil fuels is the real long term solution. Banning, Plasma, DVD players, and PC’s is not the solution.