Sony just ***** me

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

But when the meme is put out there that you can share games on up to 5 PS3's what is the natural reaction going to be by the masses?

I think it's a bit nonsensical to put that out and then act all shocked when people naturally get the idea that "hey, it's okay if we share games"

Especially when it's ALSO put out that if you delete the accouunt that it was originally bought from you can't play it anymore.

What else are people going to gather from that other than "Sony is okay with us sharing our games with up to 5 people, but no more than that".?

That's a complete misinterpretation of what Sony said. PS3 accounts can be transferred on up to 5 different PS3s. It is solely for you to move your own account to a new PS3 you have bought, not so you can share your games with other people.

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

That's a complete misinterpretation of what Sony said. PS3 accounts can be transferred on up to 5 different PS3s. It is solely for you to move your own account to a new PS3 you have bought, not so you can share your games with other people.

Thats the opposite of what Tretton himself said.

[Kyo28]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

That's a complete misinterpretation of what Sony said. PS3 accounts can be transferred on up to 5 different PS3s. It is solely for you to move your own account to a new PS3 you have bought, not so you can share your games with other people.

Exactly. People really should read the TOS. They clearly state that the goal is for users to transfer their account and games to another console they own. The goal never was to pass along games you purchased to wild strangers you meet on forums.

I mean, come on people, use a bit of common sense here.

http://faq.en.playstation.com/cgi-bi...i=&p_topview=1
http://faq.en.playstation.com/cgi-bi...i=&p_topview=1
In short: you are allowed to log in with your user account and access your content on different PS3s but you are not allowed to transfer purchased items to another account.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by Kyo28

Exactly. People really should read the TOS. They clearly state that the goal is for users to transfer their account and games to another console they own. The goal never was to pass along games you purchased to wild strangers you meet on forums.

I mean, come on people, use a bit of common sense here.

http://faq.en.playstation.com/cgi-bi...i=&p_topview=1
http://faq.en.playstation.com/cgi-bi...i=&p_topview=1
In short: you are allowed to log in with your user account and access your content on different PS3s but you are not allowed to transfer purchased items to another account.

So I can log in with MY user account on another ps3 (say my friend's for instance) and play it on that ps3.

But I can't share it with someone else.

What's the difference there?

It's still downloading the game off of YOUR account that purchased it, onto a PS3 that doesn't belong to you.

They need to phrase things better if they're going to get high and mighty about something.

And as someone else said, that's the opposite of what that Tretton guy said.

[Groo The Perverted]

found this online...not sure if they've changed things since this, but....

HERE and HERE among other places.

Certain games allow this and others don't from what I understand.

I purchased some downloadable game content on the PLAYSTATION®Network. Part of the product description says the content can be used or downloaded on up to five (5) activated PLAYSTATION®3 system units. What does that mean?

Answer

This means that the content that you purchased may be used by other users on an activated PLAYSTATION®3 system unit after you downloaded the content onto your PLAYSTATION®3 system unit. Some content may require the user to have a PLAYSTATION®Network account, and other content may require you to have additional game content that may be sold separately. For example, you may need to purchase a full game in order to use the character that you purchased on the PLAYSTATION®Network for the game. Please review the use restrictions associated with the content you purchased. The content may be played up on to 5 activated PLAYSTATION®3 system units at any one time. PLAYSTATION®3 system units may be deactivated so that you can change which PLAYSTATION®3 system units are activated at any time.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Sylin

I agree, to a point. You attract more bees with honey, as the saying goes, rather than vinegar. I agree that the OP shouldn't give up, but I would go about this in a calmer, more tactful approach.

Recently Sony removed Mortal Kombat II from the PSN store, and a lot of people who had purchased the game earlier (like me) could no longer find the game on their download list. Having just had my PS3 serviced, and needing to download all my content again, I was a bit unhappy. At first the rep I spoke with acted like she didn't believe my claims, like I was trying to scam a free game or something. But I was patiently persistent. She also offered the whole 1-2 business day call-back thing, but I ended up getting a call just a few hours later from a supervisor who gave me a new voucher code to download the game.

Customer service reps are people. They're besieged by douchebags on a daily basis, all for $9 an hour in a crappy cubicle when they'd rather be with their families or doing something else. If you come at them with attitude, they'll shut down. But if you demonstrate you are not a d-bag like they are expecting you to be, it's surprising what can happen and how quickly.

very true, this is why I try to be polite no matter what the issue is....but the 1st guy seemed like he was waiting for prey to pounce on and I was his meal ticket...

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

That's a complete misinterpretation of what Sony said. PS3 accounts can be transferred on up to 5 different PS3s. It is solely for you to move your own account to a new PS3 you have bought, not so you can share your games with other people.

Jack Tretton actually plugged this more than one occasion "sharing with friends" and even the customer service rep told me that this was true, but that I had to deactivate my account afterwards....

[AikonEnt]

Game sharing is stealing. It's no better than going to a bittorrent site and downloading from there for free. Although it does suck if you can't play the games you paid for when the people you shared with can . There's a lesson to be learned here.

I will agree about call centres though, I've not had to deal with Sony's yet (I'm just going to buy another PS3 to replace my dead one), but I have had to deal with M$ after RRoD and all I can say is, what a bunch of tossers. 4 months of lies and BS before I got the 360 returned, and then they sent a refurb because they had 'misplaced' mine, even after telling me numerous times they had shipped my 360 and given me a UPS tracking code, none of which were valid on the UPS website. This is why my opinion of M$ is

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Lesson for the day:

Don't game share, support the developer!

....not all developers desrve your undying support..

[The Don]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

Game sharing is stealing. It's no better than going to a bittorrent site and downloading from there for free. Although it does suck if you can't play the games you paid for when the people you shared with can . There's a lesson to be learned here.

I will agree about call centres though, I've not had to deal with Sony's yet (I'm just going to buy another PS3 to replace my dead one), but I have had to deal with M$ after RRoD and all I can say is, what a bunch of tossers. 4 months of lies and BS before I got the 360 returned, and then they sent a refurb because they had 'misplaced' mine, even after telling me numerous times they had shipped my 360 and given me a UPS tracking code, none of which were valid on the UPS website. This is why my opinion of M$ is

it's not stealing when the game was paid for....

check Dreaming in Blu's last post....

edit: and I don't understand what the 360 rant was for, I don't own a 360 and never bought a Microsoft console or product except a Windows based PC....you only brought them up as a form of FUD so readers don't decide that the 360 might be a better option...

...trust me...the 360 has it's own problems that are outside of an "agreement"

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

Game sharing is stealing. It's no better than going to a bittorrent site and downloading from there for free.

I think that's a bit of a skewed analogy there, especially since the game sharing aspect has been touted by many on the Sony side.

But we'll have to agree to disagree if what I've posted isn't good enough.

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by The Don

it's not stealing when the game was paid for....

check Dreaming in Blu's last post....

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

I think that's a bit of a skewed analogy there, especially since the game sharing aspect has been touted by many on the Sony side.

But we'll have to agree to disagree if what I've posted isn't good enough.

not to mention the fact that Jack Tretton has pushed this on more than one occasion...

I'm not trying to turn this into a policy thing here, I originally just wanted to know if it was safe to sign online with my PS3...

now people are trying to defend Sony as some sort of PR thing to make it seem like I'm the bad guy and Sony didn't just screw me...

companies screw people....it's just that some companies screw people more than others...not to mention that game sharing is bragged about a lot on the Official Playstation Forums...and they don't get their account removed...

it can easily happen, especially if you can get kicked out of a Beta from posting videos on your YouTube account for all to see....they have a way of tracing things and getting you..

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by The Don

it's not stealing when the game was paid for....

I agree that if you've purchased it and you use it then it can't be stealing. But if you buy and download a game on your PS3. Then you go to a friends PS3, log into your account, download the game again so they can play it on their account without buying the game, then yes I would call that stealing (sort of). It's like you buying a CD (does anybody remember those ), making a copy of it and giving it to somebody else. Or making a copy of a game on Blu (assuming it was possible) and giving that to a friend.

It may be implied by Jack T et all but I'm sure it's not exactly what they meant by it. My take on it would be this. You've bought a game and you want to go to a friends to play it, but you have nothing physical to take with you and you don't want to carry the PS3 every where you go (especially the phat). So you have the ability to log in to your account on another persons PS3, download the game again and therefore play the game at your friends (this is the sharing). However once you leave your friend's you deactivate/delete the content/login, just as you would take your Blu copy of game home with you. You're sharing the game with friends but you're not giving them a copy that hasn't been paid for. The 5 PS3 rule I would guess is you personally have 5 PS3's you can put the game on, ie. you have to replace a knackered one (as I will be doing at some point) or you buy for multiple rooms in your home. Not giving it to people who don't want to pay for something, because at the end of the day it's you that will be affected not them. Something like that.

And the M$ rant was because you mentioned call centres, just the mention of them brings back the angry feelings and I have to get it out of my system. At every opportunity. To bash M$ And I wouldn't call myself a Sony fanboy because I have 2 xboxes, 2 360s and enough games in green cases to open a shop. Do hate M$ though

[Terjyn]

I agree. A CD you own "May be used by other people", but that doesn't mean you are allowed to copy it and give them one.

Game sharing was always really shady.

As for Sony and Tretton prepping it up, the ability to go to a friend's house and download the game is worth talking about, even if it isn't intended for permanent use there. I'd be curious to see a quote which actually states that giving your friends their own copy is kosher, as opposed to just implying it.

The quote by Dreaming in Blu is NOT saying it's ok for them to copy it and use it permanently. In fact, the quote he highlighted doesn't even mention a second PS3, rather it says that anybody using your PS3 is allowed to play the game. The prior paragraph talks about multiple PS3s, but the highlighted quote does not.

[AikonEnt]

I think we can all agree the whole thing has been open to interpretation from the start. What one person thinks was meant could be completely different to another person.

Someone on my friends list asked for my login so they could download a game (flower) to their system without paying, this is where my stance on the subject comes from. Needless to say I told them to bugger off

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

I think we can all agree the whole thing has been open to interpretation from the start. What one person thinks was meant could be completely different to another person.

Someone on my friends list asked for my login so they could download a game (flower) to their system without paying, this is where my stance on the subject comes from. Needless to say I told them to bugger off

What bugs me about this, is people always seem to read these things in the way that most favors them. That's why people read quotes like Dreaming's and decided it meant it was ok to share. I never read it that way, and always thought people were abusing a system designed for a purpose other than saving money on dlc games.

[Kyo28]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

What bugs me about this, is people always seem to read these things in the way that most favors them. That's why people read quotes like Dreaming's and decided it meant it was ok to share. I never read it that way, and always thought people were abusing a system designed for a purpose other than saving money on dlc games.

Agreed. And that's where common sense should kick in.

From the get-go I also realized that if I wanted, I could just buy a handful of PSN games and 'trade' those with other users to get 4 times the same number of games for free. The system can be exploited that way. However, it's not because it can be exploited that you should. My inner voice told me if I would do that, I would be taking a risk so I didn't.

Basically, when you venture into that gray area, you know you're taking risks. I understand the OP's point of view and believe me, I sympathise. You bought those games and you rightfully should be able to play them. However by exploiting the system you took a risk and you're among the unfortunate ones to get the backlash ... such is life.

Instead of reading "Sony just ***** me", I think the thread title should read "I just ***** myself".

[Xerios]

we've clearly found a controversial topic here.. ive read all posts and although im the guy who buys all the games i do share with my other ps3 and my neighbor... but every1 makes solid points....

and it is different from bittorrent... bitorrent is 1 person buys the cd, millions leech, atleast the ratio on psn of buyer to potential sharer is 1:5

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by Xerios

we've clearly found a controversial topic here.. ive read all posts and although im the guy who buys all the games i do share with my other ps3 and my neighbor... but every1 makes solid points....

and it is different from bittorrent... bitorrent is 1 person buys the cd, millions leech, atleast the ratio on psn of buyer to potential sharer is 1:5

I agree with you. I only share with my best friend and 5 sharing licence is not worse than the number of person you can share a disc but I agree that its still doesnt make the studio benefit from it