Why my plasma now show retention of 4:3 bar?

[mugupo]

My parent use the tv mostly watch sd cable content which is mostly 4:3 screen ratio, problem is now it left out a small image retention of 4:3 square bar when i view widescreen content. I don't notice much but is there. Anyone has this similar problem? Should I contact Samsung regard this? If not a problem i rather wait so if not fixable i get replace with newer model.

[ijokr]

Plasmas have that issue, if you leave an image such as the black bars on either 4:3 or 16:9, or such as a hud in a videogame, or a logo in a channel (ESPN) for too long it will cause image retention. Normally this will go away while watching something else and some new plasmas have a feature to get rid of what, for example panasonic has a white scrolling bar, I'm not sure about Samsung. Check in the menu.

[Pelican170]

Originally Posted by mugupo

My parent use the tv mostly watch sd cable content which is mostly 4:3 screen ratio, problem is now it left out a small image retention of 4:3 square bar when i view widescreen content. I don't notice much but is there. Anyone has this similar problem? Should I contact Samsung regard this? If not a problem i rather wait so if not fixable i get replace with newer model.

Most likely it can be fixed. id leave it on zoom and run it for a bit. should take care of it..

[Rblu-Dblu]

I have a pioneer krp600m and i notice the black bars on the sides and the top and bottom for a second while blu's are loading and when there is just a blank black screen. Anyone else have this?

[saprano]

Did you guys break in your TV's? it not a cure for burn in or image retention but it helps. kuros are less likely to burn in than any other tv.

And you should run the color slides, or put on full screen conten after watching something with black bars on the tv for long periods of time.

[ShockWave]

My son paused Star Wars legos one time on his plasma for hours. It left the small circles it displays on the top right and left and burnt the TV. All I did was run the image retention sliding bar on the panny. It took about a month for it to go away. I ran the IR bar once to twice a day. It will go away over time. The burn was really bad.

I am sure if I just ran full screen it would of cured it also.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by saprano

Did you guys break in your TV's? it not a cure for burn in or image retention but it helps. kuros are less likely to burn in than any other tv.

And you should run the color slides, or put on full screen conten after watching something with black bars on the tv for long periods of time.

How exactly does running a break-in slideshow help prevent image retention?

[Trix]

Originally Posted by aramis109

How exactly does running a break-in slideshow help prevent image retention?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the general idea is that by running full screen images for the first hundred or so hours on the set, every phosphor pixel experiences the same settling in period. This way, you do not have a certain area of the screen that does not settle the same way, and thus has a different shade.

The black bars would be good examples, since when the plasma screen is calibrated for accurate colour, those parts of the screen are essentially off; thus, if those phosphour pixels are not used while the rest of the screen settles in, they will be a darker shade as they've not been lit.

I know this isn't the best way to explain it, but I hope the concept is still evident. Basically, it's like comparing the picture on a one-year old panel to a brand new one; the one year old panel will be darker as a rule, as the phosphour is brand new. Same concept, shorter period of time.

[mugupo]

Ok i think i just gonna run for wide screen zoom for my those content since i did use this tv for like 3 months now.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by aramis109

How exactly does running a break-in slideshow help prevent image retention?

By artifically putting hours on the tv? My understanding is that plasmas are most prone to IR when they are new and the phosphors are brighter. I guess running a break in slide show for hours a day would age those phosphors quicker?

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

By artifically putting hours on the tv? My understanding is that plasmas are most prone to IR when they are new and the phosphors are brighter. I guess running a break in slide show for hours a day would age those phosphors quicker?

You got it.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Trix

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the general idea is that by running full screen images for the first hundred or so hours on the set, every phosphor pixel experiences the same settling in period. This way, you do not have a certain area of the screen that does not settle the same way, and thus has a different shade.

The black bars would be good examples, since when the plasma screen is calibrated for accurate colour, those parts of the screen are essentially off; thus, if those phosphour pixels are not used while the rest of the screen settles in, they will be a darker shade as they've not been lit.

I know this isn't the best way to explain it, but I hope the concept is still evident. Basically, it's like comparing the picture on a one-year old panel to a brand new one; the one year old panel will be darker as a rule, as the phosphour is brand new. Same concept, shorter period of time.

Originally Posted by robinandtami

By artifically putting hours on the tv? My understanding is that plasmas are most prone to IR when they are new and the phosphors are brighter. I guess running a break in slide show for hours a day would age those phosphors quicker?

I love when i dont have to explain myself

[aramis109]

Well, I decided to read more than I already had on the subject. I mostly wanted to ask to see what people's responses were. Here's what I found here:

What is break-in?
Break-In is the time period from when a Plasma set is brand new until the plasma phosphors have aged (or hardened), to a point where it is less susceptible to image retention (IR). Phosphors are their "hottest" when new. You may notice when passing by a new plasma set that it gives off a lot of heat but runs cooler after 100 or so hours of use. During this break-in period, burn-in can occur more easily.

Opposing View on Break-In: Not all plasma owners believe a break-in period is necessary for the later generations of Samsung plasma sets. The Samsung factory supports this view. Samsung's Support FAQ, as of 2007, states: "Samsung Plasma TVs do not require a break-in period." There has been much concern and confusion over this issue because both Pioneer and Panasonic published documents as late as 2004 stating their plasma sets required 1,000 hours of break-in. As of 2007, no plasma manufacturers suggest their sets require break-in. Some owners see this as good news, while some market analysts believe as plasmas continue to lose market share to LCD's, plasma manufacturers are no longer pointing out areas of concern that could impact sales. NET: Use your own best judgment.

Note that this appears to be a wiki entry maintained by Samsung users and not by Samsung themselves. However, I think it's telling that no manufacturers have been putting it in their manuals since 2007.

This is from Panny's official site:

People who play video games tend to keep their TVs turned on for long periods of time, so they should consider how much power their TVs consume. Gamers also used to be concerned with something called "image retention," which occurred when an image was left standing in one place for an extremely long time. Older plasmas may have had some issues related to image retention in the past, but new features such as screen savers and pixel orbiting have eliminated this problem. If you're a hardcore gamer, it's best to go for a TV that gives you great motion graphics quality. Black-level performance is also important, as the tiny nuances in image clarity can really give you an edge in your game.

I don't want to turn this into an argument for or against break-in, but am just presenting this information as I turn it up. I've had my plasma about 3 weeks and my father-in-law a few months and neither have had this issue at all. I am still open to the idea of break-in but would like to see more official links and sources.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by aramis109

I don't want to turn this into an argument for or against break-in, but am just presenting this information as I turn it up. I've had my plasma about 3 weeks and my father-in-law a few months and neither have had this issue at all. I am still open to the idea of break-in but would like to see more official links and sources.

I would generally agree. I understand the theory behind break in, but don't really think the supposed benefit of it is worth the extra hours one is putting on their screen. IR is just something that happens with most plasmas. I guess plasma owners just get used to it. My mother's plasma is over a year old now and they are both retired so I know that thing is on 12 hours a day whether they are watching it or not.... and I STILL see IR on it when I switch channels and what not. They claim they can not see it at all.

[Pelican170]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

I would generally agree. I understand the theory behind break in, but don't really think the supposed benefit of it is worth the extra hours one is putting on their screen. IR is just something that happens with most plasmas. I guess plasma owners just get used to it. My mother's plasma is over a year old now and they are both retired so I know that thing is on 12 hours a day whether they are watching it or not.... and I STILL see IR on it when I switch channels and what not. They claim they can not see it at all.

I agree with you. I "broke in" my panny for maybe 50 hrs if that. I do get IR here and there but it goes away and never had a problem with it. At first i was nervous, but now, its normal and i know it will go away...

[aramis109]

Those're my thoughts as well. Yes, you can sometimes see IR when on a black/no display. In my reading apparently the cells keep a light charge and are visible. However, we don't watch a black screen much, and they go away/are not visible when motion is played. I'm becoming less cautious with my set as I have it and don't think it's worth putting all the hours on the set either currently. Again, I'm still open to it and even have a slideshow saved in case I should decide to go that route.

[saprano]

Break in is not required, but its good to do imo.

[Mathematik]

Originally Posted by ijokr

Some new plasmas have a feature to get rid of what, for example panasonic has a white scrolling bar

Does that scrolling bar really works? I just bought a G10 a few weeks ago and I have used it several times in between playing games and watching TV. Also after I get finish playing a game I always immediately use the scrolling bar and leave a TV on a station, preferably 1 with no scrolling on it like ESPN or CNN for about 30 minutes just to get movement on the screen. Let me know if I am doing this right or wrong.

[blukrank]

I have a Vizio Plasma and couple months ago I was watching a wrestling pay per view and the annouying WWE logo on the courner of the screen was burnt into the screen after words. Luckly it vanished after a couple days. But since then when I watch a WWE program I will watch it on my bedroom TV instead of my Plasma. I dont undstand why The WWE needs to have there logo on the courner of the screen on there programs? And even there DVD's. Ok I get it I'm watching a WWE product I dont need to have the logo on the screen telling me that.

[edubb5]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

I have a pioneer krp600m and i notice the black bars on the sides and the top and bottom for a second while blu's are loading and when there is just a blank black screen. Anyone else have this?

I have a Pioneer pro 111fd And I nev get any type of burn in that easy. I can look @ Football all day and play XBox 360 after and it runs like a LCD. But i did break that TV in with a 300 hour DVD