Strange New Worlds: Science Fiction at DEFA (1960-1976) Eureka

[Spud_Almighty]

Originally Posted by exidor

Only if they're wearing make up on their clothes as well.

That image would have been a better example haha. Strange looking issue. Reminds me of the ghosting from old BBC tv shows.

[exidor]

Yeah, I only ripped the disc later after I'd posted - just wanted to check it wasn't a player/TV issue.

My working theory is that someone did some automated colour correction to boost highlights for a specific shot (there's green lighting in some of the party scenes) and just accidentally applied it to the whole film. Hopefully we'll see some shots from the Deaf Crocodile set soon and find out if it's a problem with the restoration or a tweak that Eureka did.

[filmlover22]

Originally Posted by exidor

Yeah, I only ripped the disc later after I'd posted - just wanted to check it wasn't a player/TV issue.

My working theory is that someone did some automated colour correction to boost highlights for a specific shot (there's green lighting in some of the party scenes) and just accidentally applied it to the whole film. Hopefully we'll see some shots from the Deaf Crocodile set soon and find out if it's a problem with the restoration or a tweak that Eureka did.

I didn't think Eureka did any tweaking, nor did they even have the facility to do this. Have they tweaked releases in the past?

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by filmlover22

Have they tweaked releases in the past?

Occasionally, but not very often. Off the top of my head, they did color tweak "The Bride with White Hair" and "Run, Man, Run".

[filmlover22]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

Occasionally, but not very often. Off the top of my head, they did color tweak "The Bride with White Hair" and "Run, Man, Run".

I did not know that. Thank you.

[KamomeShokudo]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Sounds like "In the Dust of the Stars" has a major issue then. Wonderful. I haven't even opened my Strange New Wolds box set yet from Diabolik. Should I just send it back for credit and give up on this? Once I open it, I own it.

So tired of screw-ups like this. It's exhausting.

You think that's a... *major* issue?

[exidor]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I think I see it in some of the darker hair in this shot as well (dead center, second woman from front)?
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/31/strange_...__blu-ray_.jpg

Difficult to say for that one because the party scene is the only one that actually has green lighting.

As to how much of an issue... it's not present in every shot but it appears often enough to be distracting.

[Show spoiler]
This lady does not have green highlights in her hair.



Here, the foreground, background and inside the beige space box all have green flecks.



One of the worst - the block of solid colour on the walls at the top moves, and there's weird sparkly trails of noise on the ground.

I still don't know if I've just got a very dodgy disc or if this is more widespread.

FWIW I emailed Deaf Croc to see if they had anything like this on theirs and they say not. I've also asked Eureka about it but heard nothing from them yet.

Originally Posted by KamomeShokudo

You think that's a... *major* issue?

You need to see it in motion. It's major enough that I've actually googled how to rip a blu ray and emailed two labels for the first time ever.

Edit: In motion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l58MosroZNs

[Eidolon]

I wonder if this has something to do with a 'safe colours' filter, or someone messing about with the colour settings trying to fix something and causing a different problem.

All the areas where this green appears - Are they parts of the image that look as if they might be bright highlights in the image?
I seem to recall from my video production days that applying a routine Safe Colours filter without taking time to check things and do things manually instead could often result in peculiar colour anomalies along these lines. Although I think they were usually of a yellowish tinge. I might be wrong, it was a long time ago and memory is a bit sketchy about it now.

[PondaBaba]

So does this type of ‘artifacting’ not have a name? I ask because I can’t see that anyone has identified it by a noun yet, but am very curious re: the issue in general because a) I reported finding the exact same thing in the Return of the King imax with laser DCP over a year ago (see penultimate para - and ftr no one ever responded to it so the question has remained unanswered) and b) more recently noticed it pretty much every where during a regular DCP watch of 2OO1 a few weeks ago - which was very distracting - and had been intending to make a post in one of the 2OO1 threads to again ask if any of the disc versions are subject to this(eta - and ask again what it actually is/is called), but being a total non-expert in all these technical things I didnt then and still don’t know what to call it/label it as

[Show spoiler](although my understanding and vocabulary had developed since Jan ‘24 to the point that on seeing the issue in the 2OO1 DCP I knew to/naturally identified it as some sort of ‘artifacting’ - which I wouldn’t have known to a year and a half-ish ago)

but I find it curious that I(again, total non-expert/definitely not a videophile)’ve noticed it on two watches of DCPs and yet it’s not (yet, at least) been identified by a specific name ITT - whereas I would have thought there’d be a name for it if it’s as noticeable and distracting, if uncommon, as some of us that have encountered it find it to be

[Doomhunter]

It could be the same on the Deaf Crocodile release…

[exidor]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Damn. I was looking forward to this set. Now I'm not sure I want to open my copy. It's got the other 3 films, presumably ok (?), but this is just sloppiness.

The other three look fine.

Originally Posted by mar3o

Can you share the contact emails so I can also send out an inquiry?

I used customer@eurekaentertainment.co.uk which is technically an address for checking orders - that may be why I've had no response yet. I sent Deaf Croc a message via the contact page on their site.

Originally Posted by Eidolon

All the areas where this green appears - Are they parts of the image that look as if they might be bright highlights in the image?

Not the brightest areas in the image, but brighter highlights within the darker areas, IYSWIM. Like the girl with the green hair above - it happens in the darkest part of her hair but the green bits are less bright than the hair on the top of her head. And when she moves so that that area of her hair is less dark, the green goes away.

Originally Posted by Doomhunter

It could be the same on the Deaf Crocodile release…

"I'd have to assume we both licensed the same master from DEFA. That said, our release does not have that anomaly. This is why we always use David McKenzie and Fidelity in Motion for our blu-ray authoring!"

[Eidolon]

Unfortunately I expect its highly unlikely that Eureka will fix this, based on past things like Bride with White Hair and the Boris Karloff set.
I was really interested in this set, but can't justify buying it if it has this problem.

[Hiruko]

I bought this set with the CCC Krimi box so it should get to me soon, I'll have to wait until I see it on my screen to know wether I'm really bothered by the issue or not, I find it hard to believe that other reviewers went through the same disc without mentioning anything if it's so glaring.
And if I find the PQ too poor once I finally see it I'll keep my set and just complete it with the french disc from Artus, either way, not a deal breaker for me

[NuXiaolin]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

Unfortunately I expect its highly unlikely that Eureka will fix this, based on past things like Bride with White Hair and the Boris Karloff set.
I was really interested in this set, but can't justify buying it if it has this problem.

What happened with those? I know the initial LE of BRIDE had a subtitle issue that was quietly corrected with the standard release, ditto MOTHRA. I don't recall any problems with the Karloff releases.

[T4ffer]

FWIW I either didn't notice it or got used to it enough that it didn't affect the watching experience much. But I'm somewhat color blind (red-green).

[Eidolon]

Originally Posted by NuXiaolin

What happened with those? I know the initial LE of BRIDE had a subtitle issue that was quietly corrected with the standard release, ditto MOTHRA. I don't recall any problems with the Karloff releases.

One of the films in the Karloff set doesn't play on some BD players for some reason.

[NuXiaolin]

Originally Posted by T4ffer

FWIW I either didn't notice it or got used to it enough that it didn't affect the watching experience much. But I'm somewhat color blind (red-green).

I'm the same, which is probably I literally can't see what people are talking about in the screencaps.

I also makes watching ANACONDA rather difficult!

[Spud_Almighty]

Originally Posted by Eidolon

One of the films in the Karloff set doesn't play on some BD players for some reason.

I've got a couple of those unwatched. Any idea which one it was?

[T4ffer]

Ok yeah on a closer watch there are definitely things going on with this movie that shouldn't be there. Look at this AI-enhanced face in the background in one of the final scenes



But so far this is the weakest movie out of 3 and I doubt I'd ever watch it again anyway.

I'm watching the last one tonight. Might keep an eye for more things like this, might not.

BTW This is a photo taken of the projection on my wall, so if you find any other weird artifacts, those are just cracks in the wall painted over and bubbled up a bit.

[RossyG]

Argh! Why do they use AI for film restoration? We managed well enough without it before.