The Drew Carey Show- The Complete Series (1995-2004)

[SteelDiver]

Why did they not put it on bd as well?

[cloggedmind]

Originally Posted by cloggedmind

Question for ya: What was The Rolling Stones' song Drew was teasing Mimi with in the episode, Lewis' Sister? It looks weird with him dancing about and the sound effects still there but nothing coming out of his mouth.

Got the answer by lip reading: "Brown Sugar". How 'bout that? Answered my own qwest-chin!

[mikeainslie]

Originally Posted by SteelDiver

Why did they not put it on bd as well?

the only episodes there would have been a point in putting on blu-ray would have been the pilot (was remastered and properly reconstructed from the original negatives) and seasons 7-9 because those were produced in hd when they aired. to put it on blu-ray, they would have had to reconstruct all of seasons 1-6 from the original negatives (the 1080p rips floating around was an upscale from the master tapes that wb did), and outside of some bbc shows, i've never seen upscales on blu-ray. i also don't think they would have been able to recoup the much bigger cost it probably would have been to put it on blu-ray. also, dvds sell more than blu-rays and 4k blu-rays combined. in a business perspective, it makes the most sense to have kept it dvd only.

[chas speed]

One thing that nobody has brought up is if you tape the show off of reruns now most tend to come in under 20 minutes. Pluto has most episodes at 22 minutes. This is insanely short for a show this old. This much being cut out of every show can't be explained under music cuts. Can someone that has the set please tell us what the average episode clocks in at? Thanks. If they usually run about 24 or 25 minutes, I will buy it, but I am not paying for episodes if they are "syndicated" versions.

[cloggedmind]

Originally Posted by chas speed

One thing that nobody has brought up is if you tape the show off of reruns now most tend to come in under 20 minutes. Pluto has most episodes at 22 minutes. This is insanely short for a show this old. This much being cut out of every show can't be explained under music cuts. Can someone that has the set please tell us what the average episode clocks in at? Thanks. If they usually run about 24 or 25 minutes, I will buy it, but I am not paying for episodes if they are "syndicated" versions.

These are of the era where shows began to run about 22 minutes and change so anywhere in that ballpark for the run time should be good. Any less than that and it is likely edited and/or time-compressed for modern commercial time which is what, now? 13 minutes per half hour?

Even The Price is Right doesn't take time to describe products anymore, just the name, a quick pic and on to the next one to speed things along.

I think I recall a Simpsons commentary or interview where the creators were lamenting having to cram and develop later season episodes to fit a 17 minute slot.

[Chris J]

Originally Posted by mikeainslie

the only episodes there would have been a point in putting on blu-ray would have been the pilot (was remastered and properly reconstructed from the original negatives) and seasons 7-9 because those were produced in hd when they aired. to put it on blu-ray, they would have had to reconstruct all of seasons 1-6 from the original negatives (the 1080p rips floating around was an upscale from the master tapes that wb did), and outside of some bbc shows, i've never seen upscales on blu-ray. i also don't think they would have been able to recoup the much bigger cost it probably would have been to put it on blu-ray. also, dvds sell more than blu-rays and 4k blu-rays combined. in a business perspective, it makes the most sense to have kept it dvd only.

The Avatar: The Last Airbender Blu-ray set used upscaling.

[chas speed]

Originally Posted by cloggedmind

These are of the era where shows began to run about 22 minutes and change so anywhere in that ballpark for the run time should be good. Any less than that and it is likely edited and/or time-compressed for modern commercial time which is what, now? 13 minutes per half hour?

Even The Price is Right doesn't take time to describe products anymore, just the name, a quick pic and on to the next one to speed things along.

I think I recall a Simpsons commentary or interview where the creators were lamenting having to cram and develop later season episodes to fit a 17 minute slot.

I know they have been running around 22 min. for the last few decades, but was shocked to find out they were that bad 30 years ago. I guess I remember Drew Carey coming out in the late 80's and early 90's which is wrong. I am bummed out by this information. I thought I would get a few extra minutes. I would still like to hear what a few running times are anyway.

[Shane Rollins]

Okay, I've been way out of the loop. I have the set, still haven't broken the seal. Can anyone tell me, aside from...

-S4E10: "Drew's Dance Party"
-S7E01 and S7E02: "Drew Carey's Back-to-School Rock 'n' Roll Comedy Hour: Parts 1 & 2"
-S8E17: "What's Love Got To Do With It?"

...are there any other cuts/edits/missing episodes? And if so, what are they?

*EDIT:* Between the 2006 Television Favorites DVD, and the 2007 S1 DVD, are any episodes uncut on those old DVDs and cut on the new one (or vice versa), and are any of the features from the two old discs carried over to the new set?

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

Any chance of each of the live episodes having all three of their versions?

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

My guess is it's also gonna have the re-edited version of Two Drews and the Queen of Poland from season 2. It was edited after the original airing and removed Dan Castelleneta's guest appearance (though oddly his credit is still there). It was later re-edited with the cold open being pulled from another episode and other moments extended to pad out the runtime. I believe the uncensored version hasn't been seen since the original ABC broadcast. Sorta like what happened with the Koi Pond episode from The Office.

First I'm hearing of any of these. Please explain?

Originally Posted by mikeainslie

the only episodes there would have been a point in putting on blu-ray would have been the pilot (was remastered and properly reconstructed from the original negatives) and seasons 7-9 because those were produced in hd when they aired. to put it on blu-ray, they would have had to reconstruct all of seasons 1-6 from the original negatives (the 1080p rips floating around was an upscale from the master tapes that wb did), and outside of some bbc shows, i've never seen upscales on blu-ray. i also don't think they would have been able to recoup the much bigger cost it probably would have been to put it on blu-ray. also, dvds sell more than blu-rays and 4k blu-rays combined. in a business perspective, it makes the most sense to have kept it dvd only.

One, lots of upscaled stuff is on Blu-ray. Jim Henson's The StoryTeller is coming to Blu-ray in the UK. Also, a lot of stuff is taken from master tapes, whether because it was shot on tape, rendered to tape, or because a tape is all that exists (or all that ever existed). Discotek has tons of upscales from tape. Also, WAC had three films in their Hanna-Barbera set that were rendered entirely on a computer, then printed out to tape, with no film prints ever having been created. While other people think they look terrible, I think they look pretty good for literally being a tape capture.

Two, while yes there's a higher cost to bringing tape-based content to Blu-ray or 4K (in short, tape on 4K could happen, but the only benefit would be preserving the original frames-per-second of play, and there'd be no actual benefit in terms of picture quality), the other reasons are because there's not exactly a major uptick in quality (fact) and that no matter which way they do it (straight upscale, attempt to remaster, smooth it over, make it look glassy, etc), it seems like the entire Internet will get into a projectile shitting match with the disc's producers, manufacturers, and distributors as their targets (theory).

One of my most wanted tape-based releases that rarely gets discussed is Full House, and even though the DVDs are rife with edits (I found one, other users found several that I missed), I had hoped they could be straightened out for the Blu-ray. However, one, it would cost more to remaster the show for Blu-ray than it would to just reprint the old DVDs (which short of a remaster for Blu-ray, there's not much that can be done to improve those DVDs' quality), two, the increase in quality wouldn't be much, and three, no matter which way WAC or a boutique goes about doing it, people would still think they did it wrong.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

First I'm hearing of any of these. Please explain?

There were three live episodes recorded I believe for seasons 4-6, and each one was performed three times to accommodate for the different timezones but whenever the show entered syndication they'd only use one of each of the three.

One thing that'd be significant is if this set restored the original uncensored version of Two Drews and the Queen of Poland Walk Into a Bar, which hasn't been seen since the original ABC broadcast. I heard a report it was uncensored but it'd be nice to get confirmation elsewhere.

[cloggedmind]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

There were three live episodes recorded I believe for seasons 4-6, and each one was performed three times to accommodate for the different timezones but whenever the show entered syndication they'd only use one of each of the three.

One thing that'd be significant is if this set restored the original uncensored version of Two Drews and the Queen of Poland Walk Into a Bar, which hasn't been seen since the original ABC broadcast. I heard a report it was uncensored but it'd be nice to get confirmation elsewhere.

It is the complete episode, uncut. Folks are guessing it might have been included by mistake but it is there.

I've been looking through my old tapes and asking and bugging everybody in the world about the ABC airing of "Win A Date With Kate" in 3D, but nothing has turned up yet. Still hoping it will resurface to make this set, along with the fan-corrected complete collection, complete-er.

[Justin2000]

Do the "What's Wrong With This Episode" include Pop Ups of the Mistakes?

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by cloggedmind

It is the complete episode, uncut. Folks are guessing it might have been included by mistake but it is there.

I've been looking through my old tapes and asking and bugging everybody in the world about the ABC airing of "Win A Date With Kate" in 3D, but nothing has turned up yet. Still hoping it will resurface to make this set, along with the fan-corrected complete collection, complete-er.

That's significant then, because I find the censored version a bastardization and the title no longer makes sense without Dan Castelleneta's scenes.

Originally Posted by Justin2000

Do the "What's Wrong With This Episode" include Pop Ups of the Mistakes?

They shouldn't, ABC didn't air them and the syndicated versions that did include the pop ups also each had footage cut in the opening scenes.

[Justin2000]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

That's significant then, because I find the censored version a bastardization and the title no longer makes sense without Dan Castelleneta's scenes.


They shouldn't, ABC didn't air them and the syndicated versions that did include the pop ups also each had footage cut in the opening scenes.

The What's Wrongs cut how you could go to ABC.com and submit your list.

[SpacemanDoug]

Yes

[DThompson]

On season 9 and completely forgot the episode order is all messed up thanks to ABC being knob heads. Wish they'd corrected it for this DVD release.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Justin2000

The What's Wrongs cut how you could go to ABC.com and submit your list.

Likely they cut them not only because they're the syndication edits, but because it's literally an old contest, so one, they'd get blown up over nothing, and two, there could be legal liability if you enter into a defunct contest. True they wouldn't owe any prizes, but they may find that one judge who says "you really should've cut that from the tape", and they'd owe something for that. Plus it's just a major hassle.

Originally Posted by DThompson

On season 9 and completely forgot the episode order is all messed up thanks to ABC being knob heads. Wish they'd corrected it for this DVD release.

How'd they balls this one up?