Games already filling 25GB BDs

[iceman]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20417

[phranctoast]

can somebody please post this article in here since its on a blocked site. thanks

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

can somebody please post this article in here since its on a blocked site. thanks

Here

PS3 development chief makes the case for next-gen discs
Launch titles for the PlayStation 3 are already "getting up close" to the 25GB limit on current Blu-Ray discs, according to Sony's worldwide studios boss Phil Harrison, who was responding to criticism of the PS3's adoption of Blu-Ray.
"Already, at our launch titles, we're getting up close to the 25GB limit that we have on our Blu-Ray discs this year," he claimed. "Next year we'll raise that to 50GB, and I'd expect that we’ll be getting close to that in the fairly near future as well."
Speaking in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz journalist Rob Fahey, Harrison decried suggestions that the Blu-Ray drive had been included in the machine purely to push Sony's agenda with regard to Blu-Ray movies.
"It's got nothing to do with movies," he responded. "DVD is not sufficient capacity to power the kind of data consumption, or to feed the data consumption needs of Cell and RSX - just purely as a gameplay device, we need Blu-Ray to supply the kind of data that PS3 games use."
Harrison also responded to questioning about the claim that the capacity of Blu-Ray will be used simply to provide more high definition movie sequences, effectively filling the discs - and games - with non-interactive content.
"It's not just about graphics," he said. "It's about 7.1 audio, it's about speech, it’s about having up to 1080p movies built into the game; it's high res textures, it's animation, it's everything that goes into making a very rich and varied next-gen experience. Partly it's visual, partly it's sound, and partially it'll be down to gameplay benefits as well - more levels, more detail, richer experiences."
However, he also defended the right of developers to include rendered video in their - a key feature of many titles, even on next-generation systems.
"I see nothing wrong with having non-interactive, full HD sequences as part of the game," he said. "That's all part of the production value and the experience that you get when you buy the game. I don't see that as a weakness at all."
The Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 has been blamed both for contributing heavily to the cost of the system, and for causing the production delays which ultimately led to the decision to move the European launch back to 2007. Microsoft has accused Sony of taking choice away from consumers by including Blu-Ray - the Xbox 360 will have an optional external HD-DVD drive, although this can only be used for movie playback and will not be accessible to game developers.
Meanwhile, some consumers have questioned the value of Blu-Ray to videogames, given the ability of developers to fit games on the scale of Xbox 360 and PC title Oblivion onto a single DVD - although it should be noted that Oblivion, despite its scale, is a relatively early next-gen title. Many early titles in the previous generation shipped on CDs, but DVDs were widespread within a year to eighteen months, as developers learned to exploit more of the systems' functionality and streamlined the content creation process.
Harrison acknowledged that some early titles will not make full use of Blu-Ray's capacity, but was adamant that the standard will be vital to the PS3 in the coming years. "Not every game is going to fill 25 or 50GB," he said. "I completely accept that - but there will be games that require that this year, and will push that further in years to come."
Phil Harrison was speaking in an exclusive interview on the PlayStation 3, which is currently being serialised on the recently launched ThreeSpeech website, with additional excerpts set to appear on GamesIndustry.biz in the coming days.

[BTBuck1]

360. HDDVD fanboi's claim however that you never need more than dvd-9 they always point to "Oblivian"

apparently they were full of it...AGAIN!

[ProvenFlipper]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

360. HDDVD fanboi's claim however that you never need more than dvd-9 they always point to "Oblivian"

apparently they were full of it...AGAIN!

What they also fail to mention is, what could have Obilivion been if it had 25gb to work with? DVD is yesterday's technology. PS3 is going to own... Uncompressed audio, 1080p graphics, and HD video clips. WOW!

[Dave]

Originally Posted by ProvenFlipper

What they also fail to mention is, what could have Obilivion been if it had 25gb to work with? DVD is yesterday's technology. PS3 is going to own... Uncompressed audio, 1080p graphics, and HD video clips. WOW!

This is the FULL truth!
xBox 360 HD DVD addon does NOT support games, so no HD gameing for xBox.
(they could hope that in the future xBox960 could support hd gameing but untill then PS3 will rure the world! )

[hmurchison]

He basically said

"I see nothing wrong with adding a bunch of filler"

Hell you could make a 1TB game easy with that motive.

[theknub]

that is an interpretation.

he could also be saying, "we can add so much more stuff to the games that we have never been able to do because of size"

there are lots of interpretations.

the gist i get from the article is that they are adding so much to the games simply because they can. as the consumer, where is the downside? you get more for your money.

[hmurchison]

The downside is that the extra stuff he's talking about is the stuff that gets in the way of games. Sometimes you just want the next level or whatever to load. The movies grow old quickly. Lossless audio is superfluous because you cannot focus entirely on the audio.

Imagine a $299 PS3 or a $499 PS3 with a huge hard drive where you could just download the extras.

The modus operandi here is similar to the movies.

"We have the big bucket...let's fill it with 'stuff' and legitimize the need for such a huge bucket"

[Chris Beveridge]

Filler? I dunno, I rather love the ending movies that DOAX has when you finish out with a character. Same with some of the pre-load movies in other games and other aspects where pre rendered material is used. It doesn't *always* get in the way of the games. Besides, every game is different and ever gamers needs are different. While pre-rendered stuff may not go over well with a lot of people, there are those that adore it. The PS3 must be able to accomodate multiple markets and multiple demands. The 25gb space allows for that whereas the 9gb DVD isn't able to.

[theknub]

one minute it is give the consumer more and the next we're giving too much?

i agree, games can be tiresome with so many movies. that is why you hit a button to skip it. but this assumption is based strictly on the idea that it will all be cut scene movies. what if it is more levels, richer graphics, great audio, and the like? in that case, it is perfectly legit to fill a disc.

it is hard for us to glean exactly what is said/meant when we have no idea what it is reality. however, i think it is a good thing to have the ability to have larger/greater environments.

oh, and to talk about downloading things, what about people with only dialup? that 2 gb level will certainly take awhile on x-mas morning.

[partridge]

Given that video sequences are usually of low quality on DVD games, I for one will be happy to see video sequences that match the image quality of the game! Why have a game in HD and video in SD!!

At the end of the day, it's down to the developer. I don't mind vid clips at all as long as they add to the story, but I'm of the opinion that it must be easier to render these sequences with the game engine?

If it's a movie tie in then at least the movie clips will be HD. And of course, it could be a sport game where video clips and highlights are part of the reward system, so yeah, I would want HD material; and that's not going to happen on a DVD9.

It is incredibly short sighted of Microsoft to think that a DVD9 will see them through the next 6 years. They're gonna get left behind.

How long will it be before we read of developers having to drop elements from their multiformat games for the 360 version? The definitive version of multiformat titles will be PS3, of that I've no doubt.

[iceman]

This is somewhat old news, but apparently Resistance: Fall of Man is 22GB, compressed!