The doom of HD DVD is inevitable now.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

My such thin skin.
I know that many of you want a bully pulpit where you're these boards but I assure you that if you were on hd-dvd.com and offering dissenting opinions I would not ask you to leave nor would I admonish you. My opinions are my own but I welcome their cross examination in a civil manner. I should be able to back up my opinions with cogent arguments.

I find that very hard to believe if someone went over there and every one of their posts basically amounted to 'HD DVD sucks and here are all the false claims and refuted facts with no support to back it up'.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/aeonflux.html



lost another "head to head" battle.

http://www.docdvd.com/hddvd_reviews_14359.htm
http://www.docdvd.com/bluray_reviews_14366.htm



You might want to beseech the BDA for better quality before forcasting HD DVD's doom.

Dave didn't you get banned from AVS for making stuff up like this?

This 1% (or less) quality advantage will not save HD DVD and you know it... The new BDs will have a lot better quality than the best HD DVD ever to exsist.

No, some proxys get banned from AVS, not me
And they bann them because they dont want the truth to show up. I dont know why, maybe its because of money or something, but this time they will not win cos people cant be fooled any longer! Blu-Ray is the best thing we the consumers can have, no more crap formats!
All those 84 000 (and growing) posts written from payed HD DVD zealots are waste of time! No one will read them soon...

[JTK]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

I find that very hard to believe if someone went over there and every one of their posts basically amounted to 'HD DVD sucks and here are all the false claims and refuted facts with no support to back it up'.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...3851#post23851

^^ When you're dealing with someone who literally tells us that it isn't important to know what you're talking about and it isn't important to have firsthand knowledge or experience?

All bets are off.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by Dave

This 1% (or less) quality advantage will not save HD DVD and you know it... The new BDs will have a lot better quality than the best HD DVD ever to exsist.

No, some proxys get banned from AVS, not me
And they bann them because they dont want the truth to show up. I dont know why, maybe its because of money or something, but this time they will not win cos people cant be fooled any longer! Blu-Ray is the best thing we the consumers can have, no more crap formats!
All those 84 000 (and growing) posts written from payed HD DVD zealots are waste of time! No one will read them soon...

That's not something I would or could quantify with a percentage point.

I know from my past history that time to market coupled with a price advantage is very compelling for the survival of a technology.

You are telling me that the new BD will have better quality than the best HD DVD ever to exist but you cannot tell me the roadmap to get there. So in essence it becomes a "leap of faith" for me to take your word.

The winner of this battle will win by the skin on their teeth. The formats are simply too close. The quality is identical for all intents and purposes. The interactive layers are more than consumers even realize they have access to. The scalability of both formats for movie distribution are solid for a good decade.

The end game is going to be reaching critical mass and tying in a supporting infrastructure for home entertainment that simply doesn't exist today.

HD DVD was SMART by making ethernet mandatory. We should see the lines between physical and virtual media blur in 5 years. In 10 most people will be buying discs and downloading HD content on their whim.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

I know that many of you want a bully pulpit where you're these boards but I assure you that if you were on hd-dvd.com and offering dissenting opinions I would not ask you to leave nor would I admonish you. My opinions are my own but I welcome their cross examination in a civil manner. I should be able to back up my opinions with cogent arguments.

hmurchinson, I dont think people want you to leave or shut up, but the problem is, this is a Blu-ray forum, and there are lots of other forums where when a Blu-ray supporter interacts all he gets it's the responsse that Blu-ray is no good and with a million different reasons (be they real or unreal). And then here, we are getting that constantly. From you.

It's as if you were on a Star Trek forum, and all you posted (or at least 95% of it!) was: But Star Wars is better!

I love a good debate. In fact, once you and I exchanged views that made me see HD-DVD in a better light, if you remember. But what we want to do mostly in this forum is talk things Blu-ray. Not spend half our time debating the merits of HD DVD. And we seem to do that a lot. With you. That would be nice, if it were an High Definition forum, a Home Theater forum, an Electronics Goods forum, etc etc. But to spend all the time here, defending Blu-ray, explaining, arguing and contra-arguing about HD DVD is not.


For example, I wish we could talk more about the merits of low vs high bitrate compression, than about you defend it apparently because low bitrates are what the VC-1 team is doing and what HD-DVDs almost exclusively use. I would love if you posted a screen capture of a frame of a 1.85 movie compressed to 10 mbs against the same frame compressed to 35 mbs or a technical paper or study done about that, etc etc. Have you actually had experience with original negatives transfered that way? Or watched critically lots of content encoded both ways to make such a judgement? As I've said before, we are here cus we like movies, sound, quality. And you say in your sig, supporter of both formats, getting High Definition is what you like. And most of us here believe Blu-ray is a format that can give us that. While you on the other hand seem to be saying almost literally: Supporter of one format. Anyway to get HD DVD into you home is what I like.

That's the way you come off, at least in my opinion

[JTK]

^^ Well said.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by JTK

^^ Well said.

I concur. I enjoy your posts Deciazulado you enjoy the technical aspects of the formats.

I think the best thing for me to do is simply buy a BD player eventually and as JTK says then I'll have the functional experience to go along with the theory.

I'm not so stubborn that I cannot learn from good people.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

I concur. I enjoy your posts Deciazulado you enjoy the technical aspects of the formats.

I think the best thing for me to do is simply buy a BD player eventually and as JTK says then I'll have the functional experience to go along with the theory.

I'm not so stubborn that I cannot learn from good people.

^^ At least rent somethin' or leech off of some friend who might own one.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

My such thin skin.

U got a real thick one though.

Sorry I have nothing against BD other than what I've said before.

No kidding Considering that U've said everything against BD that can be said from technical and non-technical standpoint, there's nothing left anyway.

It's overkill for what it offers.

Blah blah. We don't need no ... high bitrates, more future proofing? For all I know U might prefer BW vs. Color TV. Should that be a subject for argument every time on this forum?

My issues with it center around cost.

I didn't see you complaining about the cost of XA2 which is 1000$. And A2 which will be inferior (in some aspects) to current models @ the same price.

3. Substandard hardware.

This is such a BS. I had HD-A1 and just got Refurbished Samsung BD-P1000. If anythign was substandard and clunky that was HDA1. Starting from remote and ending with the player itself. Add there frequent lockups and slower load/boot times. And also consider that they costed me exactly the same amount of money... Who's substandard?

I could easily see myself as supporting Blu-Ray.

I doubt U believe in that URself.

My opinions are my own but I welcome their cross examination in a civil manner. I should be able to back up my opinions with cogent arguments.

Man... What's wrong with this ppl. So, UR here to practice your debating skills like tommika was? Dude, UR constantly arguing with 10 people per thread. In every thread U participate.

Don't be too surprised if I have a BD player next year.

I wouldn't be surprised. I won't be surprised if U come back next year as a biggest supporter of BD and claim that U were supporting BD from day 1 and it is trolls and misinformed who think otherwise.

As the son of a lawyer

... U learned to ignore actual facts just to get it your way For now, as a son of a lawyer U do it for free. Later if U ever become a lawyer UR gonna try to charge us the money for doing the same.

I have a natural tendency to argue the other side of what the prevailing group is for balance.

Funny, but I think that part was noticed by eveyone. IMHO this forum and many others are for ppl sharing common interest(s) in certain area(s) and talking/discussing/sharing info/experience etc.. on that topic. Constant flaming and arguing hardly fits there. Actually there are forums just for that. Why don't U vent on one of those?

BTW, UR definitely missing that this is the blu-ray forum, Thus there is no "other group", except U and occasional other trolls wandering in.

[iceman]

Thread closed. We have had a pretty relaxed attitude about BD vs HD-DVD, but since there has been more and more BD vs HD-DVD and HD-DVD related discussions going out of hand lately, we will smack down much harder on such discussions now. This is a forum about Blu-ray.