Question about 1080i v 1080p

[JoeKickass]

Originally Posted by becomingwater

There is a difference! If you watch a movie in 1080i, on fast pan and scan scenes there will be jumping, as in tearing in the picture, but with 1080p you will notice this is mostly missing. For the most part, he is right you wont see a difference, but you will see one on fast action scenes.

Wait until 1440i/1440p are released. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the PS3 can have a firmware upgrade to display this resolution.

This is very true. There is a big difference between 1080i and 1080p.

Beware of those that claim they can't see the difference, for they are simple and slow like those gentle people who can't see the image in the 3D Stereograms.

[bageleaterkkjji]

Originally Posted by lildon24

Blu-ray Movies that I owned:
300 (2007)
Bram Stroker's Dracula (1992)
The Condemned (2007)
The Departed (2006)
Dreamgirls (2006)
Ghost Rider (2007)
Halloween (1978)
Happy Feet (2006)
The Patriot (2000)
Ricky Bobby (2006)
Saw III (2006)
Tears of the Sun (2003)

lol did you sell them

[SmallvilleGirl]

If I have a Philips 50" plasma w/ambilight that is a 1080i, and a ps3 to play my blu-rays, would you recommend I buy a plasma that's 1080p or would I be disappointed and not notice much of a difference?

I guess the confusion comes in whether its a tv thats 1080p vs 1080i or a high def player (ex. toshiba's 1080i vs 1080p)

[Copywriter]

Originally Posted by becomingwater

Wait until 1440i/1440p are released. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the PS3 can have a firmware upgrade to display this resolution.

What? Damn I'm lagging in info.

So, if I were thinking of buying another TV next year, I should wait for 1440p?

Of course, will it even matter?

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by JoeKickass

This is very true. There is a big difference between 1080i and 1080p.

Beware of those that claim they can't see the difference, for they are simple and slow like those gentle people who can't see the image in the 3D Stereograms.

lol dumb a$$

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by SmallvilleGirl

If I have a Philips 50" plasma w/ambilight that is a 1080i, and a ps3 to play my blu-rays, would you recommend I buy a plasma that's 1080p or would I be disappointed and not notice much of a difference?

I guess the confusion comes in whether its a tv thats 1080p vs 1080i or a high def player (ex. toshiba's 1080i vs 1080p)

Does your plasma accept 1080i as an input and display it as 1080i, or does it display it as 1080p?

Much depends on the interlacer (you can always read this longer thread How discernable is 1080p over 1080i to get the "mechanics") but like my advice there, if you already have a 1080i specially a recent purchase, I'd would enjoy it now and wait a little while while the 1080p prices go down. Buy some discs, supporting high definition media adoption, hardware prices tend to go down faster and a lot more than disc prices. The other day the Sony 2160p projector was $250,000. I hear it's now $100,000

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by emperoredals11

I found this article, and was wondering how truthful it is.

1080iv1080p/

From the Article:

We are in a digital world and interlaced sould be replced by progressive formats. It was a cludge for 1930's B&W and 1954 color TV to work timed to 60 cycle AC.

1080p/24 (24fps) uses less space then 1080i/60 (30fps).

There is talk on using mpeg4 for broadcast to allow for 1080p/60 - upping the bar over video based 720p/60.

Film based 1080p/24 and 1080p/6O from a 60fps video camera ends the debate over 1080i/60 vs 720p/60 for good.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Does your plasma accept 1080i as an input and display it as 1080i, or does it display it as 1080p?

She said Philips, my guess is that it's actually one of the ALiS panels that do interlaced display in native 1080i. It has a native resolution of something like 1024x1080.

My friend had one of those (42in though), it looked fantastic with 1080i input.

enjoy
gandalf

P.S. Said friend knows my username here, maybe he can chime in himself.

[MouseRider]

Originally Posted by partridge

But surely if a tv, such as mine, natively supports 720p then a 1080p set HAS to look better simply because there are more pixels available to show the image? So a 1080p movie is scaled down to some extent to show on a 720p tv - even one that supports 1080i?

I saw two Toshiba HD sets recently, showing the same video source, one was 1080i the other was 1080p and in my humble opinon the 1080p looked sharper, the detail just looked that little bitter better defined, etc.

Well,that's how it looked to me and my next HD set will definitely support 1080p

Well, mathematically, there is definitely a difference and depending on how good your display's de-interlacer is, that difference may not be that great when displaying 1080i or 1080p on a 1080 native display.

If you subscribe to the "purity of signal" method, then you want as little post-processing of the original signal as possible, that means, no scaling, no de-interlacing, so in that aspect, you can say that a 1080p encoded disc sending out a 1080p digital signal to a 1080p display that has a native 1080p resolution going to give you the purest presentation of the data.

If you compare a native 720p display to a 1080p display with a 1080p signal, technically, the 1080p display is going to win out, technically.

The real question is, can you perceive the difference when watching a program and can you perceive the difference on the displays that you're considering to buy, and finally, is that difference worth the difference in price, if any. Then there is personal taste...

There are lots of variables here that include how far you are sitting away, what type of picture you're looking at, how acute your sight is, and on and on.

And always remember, the lighting conditions at the store and the angles that you're looking at the display isn't going to be the same ones you'll experience at home, so remember to take that into consideration.

Ever wonder why they always place the models that they are highlighting and want to sell in mock-ups of living rooms while the other stuff is up on shelves?

As said before by many others, not all displays are created equal and manufacturers like to put their "distinction" into their products which adds to the variance.

[SmallvilleGirl]

The native resolution on my Philips 50" is 1366 x 768p. So what does that mean? I've read over the other threads but all the technical lingo is giving me a headache. If I spend $2500-3000 on a 1080p let say, Samsung, will I be disappointed for blowing the money and not noticing a difference, or will I be wowed by the difference? BTW I wouldn't just waste my Philips, I would give it to my parents.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by SmallvilleGirl

The native resolution on my Philips 50" is 1366 x 768p. So what does that mean? I've read over the other threads but all the technical lingo is giving me a headache. If I spend $2500-3000 on a 1080p let say, Samsung, will I be disappointed for blowing the money and not noticing a difference, or will I be wowed by the difference? BTW I wouldn't just waste my Philips, I would give it to my parents.

That means this is not the right thread. This discussion is about 1080i vs. 1080p as a transport medium between the player and the TV. Forget what you read in this thread, it's not relevant to your question. You should be sending 720p from your player anyway (that way the TV won't have a chance to mess up the deinterlacing/inverse telecine).

As for your question, that depends on a lot of factors. How close do you sit to your TV? If you sit close enough to actually be able to see the pixel structure (look at the part of the screen that is solid white and see if you see the black lines that make up the grid), you will benefit from the extra resolution. Also, how old is your TV? Does it still feel colorful and bright? You may benefit from newer TVs just because they are newer and the technology advances over the years, even if the pixel count change does not make a significant difference for your viewing distance.

By the way, remember that if you go from plasma to an LCD, you will be losing some contrast (plasma has darker blacks). If you watch your movies in a dark room and like your blacks to be black, you may be better off going for another plasma (like the Panasonic 1080p 50" or 58").

enjoy
gandalf