HD DVD owners will have to buy new players

[HK-48]

Wow, I don't want to be mean since I am a Christian, but I would be VERY surprised if this 51 disc ever came into existence. It is just HD DVD propaganda to use against Blu-Ray's space advantage, and this, combined with Universal lying in Japan, shows how desperate HD DVD is getting, and I am finding their ways of clinging on to their life.... distasteful at best.

[lch]

Originally Posted by Dalese

By improving their format, HD-DVD highlights their own limitations to the point of making an informed consumer less likely to buy in now.

At least current Blu-ray stand-alone uses can rest assured that their current player will play BD 1.1 and 2.0 movies. It may not allow them to have all the neat new extras, but it will play the movie. PS3's have less worries as there should be firmware updates.

Being an early adopter to an incomplete HD-DVD format must really hurt sometimes!


(Pro-blu signature under construction)

yap, bd is just design to be like usb standard.
usb 2 can also be use on usb 1 just that you don't get the full speed and vice vesa.

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence

What is worse is reading what David Vaughn had to say on this. He said that TL51 was compatible with current players, all they had to do is tilt the drive a bit to get it to read the disk. So how do you tilt the drive of a player already in my house??? This shows you just how much an insider he really is.

David Vaughn is, in my opinion, showing himself to be nothing more than a shill for the HD-DVD industry. As such he's a disgrace to the whatever small (and dwindling) pocket of journalism ethics still remains.

[badboi]

Originally Posted by pscoop

Wow it got ugly over there fast. And why do they get so bent out of shape when people hyphenate HD DVD?

My post got deleted. I guess they failed to see any humour in it at all:

My, what a bunch of sore heads over here today. I guess that early morning biyatch slap that Spielberg landed on Uni still stings a bit, huh?

Leaves quietly (as instructed by the mother hens who are still rubbing their sore faces) and goes and plays in the corner alone with his dradel.

[Firestreak]

It's lunacy to assume that if HD DVD won the war and had 10s of millions of HD DVD players in homes around the world, they wouldn't use the 51 gig discs for movies because of 100,000 early adopters getting screwed.

Of course at that point, once it's shown that they lied(they'll lie and say early players will be supported always), it won't really matter. This is assuming HD DVD even lives long enough.

Kind of like the Xbox 360... they start off promising that all games will be supported without need for a hard drive, then use the core pack to expand the userbase. After the userbase is attained, announce hard drive needed games. Early core users need to buy a hard drive. Xbox owners all say they're happy since games will be better.

Just like HD DVD owners would then say they're happy cause HD DVD will be better.

It's essentially getting raped and then cheering over it.

[WickyWoo]

Posted by David Vaughn

It is not based on any inside information, but on my own observations. The more layers you add to a disc, the greater the complexity of manufacturing the disc. Frankly, I don't even know why they pursued it. The HD DVD folks have been saying all along that 30GB is enough space, but then start working on TL51 discs. It begs the question, why? Is 30GB enough or not?

I cut it off before he starts with his FUD. I'm glad he learned something from his time over here anyway.

Kind of like the Xbox 360... they start off promising that all games will be supported without need for a hard drive, then use the core pack to expand the userbase. After the userbase is attained, announce hard drive needed games. Early core users need to buy a hard drive. Xbox owners all say they're happy since games will be better.

Actually that was alll about launching at $299. The suits wanted it and the engineers told them it was a bad bad idea

[reiella]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Actually that was alll about launching at $299. The suits wanted it and the engineers told them it was a bad bad idea

It was a very bad idea. Kinda funny though, the Core system was mostly psychological. Much like the 20gb PS3.

I was actually working retail with the 360 launch, and well, the numbers of Premium versus Core were a bit sad.

Everyone wanted the white box.

[BTBuck1]

Short of them offering some appologetic exchange program/upgrade I will not be Buying another HDDVD player because they decide that 30gb's is all of a sudden "not enough" when they touted for months it was

This is bad news for HDDVD.
Great news for Blu-ray!

And those HDDVD zealots had the audacity to say Blu-ray spec is "Incomplete" Pfft, atleast they still play the damn movies!

I dount these 51gb discs ever see the light of day, otherwise Toshiba/HDDVD just *****slapped all their ealrier adopters, who got them this far.

I for one, would at that point be done like I said, barring they generously subsidize an upgrade.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Someone cut David Vaughn off in an earlier post, but I want everyone here to see just how badly they are grasping at straws on this news...

Frankly, I don't even know why they pursued it. The HD DVD folks have been saying all along that 30GB is enough space, but then start working on TL51 discs. It begs the question, why? Is 30GB enough or not? Maybe there is something behind the scenes with Disney or something????

YA RIGHT! Because we all know that Disney has invested so much to produce REAL High-Definition material on Blu-ray only to turn around and downgrade their hard work for an inferior presentation. They have too much pride in their library to do that.

[kotton247]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Just posted this over at HDD. I look forward to the spin that will confront this gem of news...

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/show...709#post354709

This was the best response I have ever seen from that forum. Thank you for posting this topic over there. Look at this retards post. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't really see triple-layer HD DVD's being needed for movies, but for computer storage it will be beneficial. I also don't see how you can expect hardware upgrades to be necessary, as HD DVD 15GB/30GB have consistently proven to be more then enough, no matter how much Blu-ray fans wish it wasn't so.

When is BD-J profile 1.1 going to be mandated......or 2.0...

Are existing Blu-ray players going to support that...

Don't all Blu-ray players have Ethernet ports...

Please someone who is a member there remind him of the changes they had to make for Transformers to fit on their shitty disc.

[talbers23]

Thats freaking great! I just made sure I sent a text to a co worker who is a hardcore hd dvd supporter letting him know this about his shitty format.

[Sonny]

Oh where to start......hd-dvd sux a$$ !!!

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

ROFL! This is priceless. Whoops. Yup, HD DVD is cheaper all right!

now come guys you its the same issue with blu-ray.
how are you gonna feel when you have to buy another player.
profile 1.1 or 2.0 ...you will have to buy another player.
a firmware could fix a layer issue,however a profile 1.1 or 2.0 a firmware will not fix it.
im a bd owner but theres no need to spin and post half truths.
i thought we were a little more grown up then that...guess not

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

now come guys you its the same issue with blu-ray.
how are you gonna feel when you have to buy another player.
profile 1.1 or 2.0 ...you will have to buy another player.
a firmware could fix a layer issue,however a profile 1.1 or 2.0 a firmware will not fix it.
im a bd owner but theres no need to spin and post half truths.
i thought we were a little more grown up then that...guess not

we dont need to buy new players for the new profiles lol.

[kotton247]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

now come guys you its the same issue with blu-ray.
how are you gonna feel when you have to buy another player.
profile 1.1 or 2.0 ...you will have to buy another player.
a firmware could fix a layer issue,however a profile 1.1 or 2.0 a firmware will not fix it.
im a bd owner but theres no need to spin and post half truths.
i thought we were a little more grown up then that...guess not

3 posts and already talking bad about blu-ray. Nice job! Now go back under the bridge you came from.

[Sonny]

ya that did not take long did it!

[kotton247]

Originally Posted by Sonny

ya that did not take long did it!

yeah well, he will get banned soon enough. So the jokes on him

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by BluThunder

HD-DVD was an inferior format from the start. If, and only if I were a HD-DVD owner and hear that I need to buy a new player, I would switch to Blu-ray right NOW!

HD-DVD is crap!

you guys dont get it hello profile 1.1.
you will have to buy a new bd player.
the reality is hd dvd may suck[i dont think so] but lets say it does.
the fact is, the bda must find away to get the players prices down to hd dvd leval. look guys we are passionate about this stuff.
we love this stuff,i loved beta over vhs. but look who won out.
why, price and they could fit long movies on one tape.
i know this is a different thing.
the point is this is not about passion its about making money.
both sides see a goldmine down the road so both sides will say anything to get there the bda does this as well as the hd dvd side does.
this bashing of hd dvd and hd dvd bashing blu-ray is pointless. at this point in time anyside can win.i think warners bros. will in fact turn the tables and that we wont know till it happens meanwhile enjoy hdm because even if one side wins it doesnt mean it will be the next gen in hdm.the longer this war goes on if gives the downloading side to get there stuff together. i for one dont want to see that.

[kotton247]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

you guys dont get it hello profile 1.1.
you will have to buy a new bd player.
the reality is hd dvd may suck[i dont think so] but lets say it does.
the fact is, the bda must find away to get the players prices down to hd dvd leval. look guys we are passionate about this stuff.
we love this stuff,i loved beta over vhs. but look who won out.
why, price and they could fit long movies on one tape.
i know this is a different thing.
the point is this is not about passion its about making money.
both sides see a goldmine down the road so both sides will say anything to get there the bda does this as well as the hd dvd side does.
this bashing of hd dvd and hd dvd bashing blu-ray is pointless. at this point in time anyside can win.i think warners bros. will in fact turn the tables and that we wont know till it happens meanwhile enjoy hdm because even if one side wins it doesnt mean it will be the next gen in hdm.the longer this war goes on if gives the downloading side to get there stuff together. i for one dont want to see that.

And I for 1 say that you will be banned soon. Trust me, I have heard rumors

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

you guys dont get it hello profile 1.1.
you will have to buy a new bd player.
the reality is hd dvd may suck[i dont think so] but lets say it does.
the fact is, the bda must find away to get the players prices down to hd dvd leval. look guys we are passionate about this stuff.
we love this stuff,i loved beta over vhs. but look who won out.
why, price and they could fit long movies on one tape.
i know this is a different thing.
the point is this is not about passion its about making money.
both sides see a goldmine down the road so both sides will say anything to get there the bda does this as well as the hd dvd side does.
this bashing of hd dvd and hd dvd bashing blu-ray is pointless. at this point in time anyside can win.i think warners bros. will in fact turn the tables and that we wont know till it happens meanwhile enjoy hdm because even if one side wins it doesnt mean it will be the next gen in hdm.the longer this war goes on if gives the downloading side to get there stuff together. i for one dont want to see that.

Face it HD-DUD is a dead technology. Dump the toshiba garbage and get with the winning team! The sooner the better.