LOST Season "5" really grainy - Blu-ray Forum

wvl · 12-23-2009, 12:19 PM

I had been waiting for season 5 for a while and finally got it. I watched 5 episodes yesterday and noticed it was “grainy.” Just had replaced my old Samsung 52 inch (15,000:1 contrast) with another Samsung 52 inch (80,000:1 contrast) and noticed the graininess while watching season 5. Then I went back to watch the last episode from season 4 and noticed it too was very grainy. "Wonder why I didn't catch that before," a question I asked myself. Anyway, anyone else think season 5 or any other season is grainy too?

There was a lot of hype that went into this series. I remember watching some of the extras and there was mentioning of a lot of improvements were included in season 3 and more improvements coming to season 4 and 5. Hmm... makes me wonder, because --- they can add all the bells and whistles they want, but unless they get rid of the graininess, it ain't worth a “doodlely-squat” if the quality of the picture ain't there. Also, season 5 is in DTS-HD too; could have fooled me. Didn't sound like it to me. I even cleaned out the wax in my ears just to make sure (just kidding, I cleaned out the wax the night before).

Bottom line: I don't think Disney/Buena Vista has put too much effort to making the seasons in blu ray quality. Watching these disks makes me think that I am watching 1080 upscale from a DVD format version. Don't get me wrong, I love the story behind "LOST", but...

Final thoughts: There will be a lot of you out there that will disagree with me, but that’s my two cents worth. Just telling it like it is. By watching the latest season released, I expected to have my socks knocked off. I looked down at my feet; the socks were still there. If I were to rate season 5, I would give it a 3 star rating for mediocre PQ and a 3 star rating for audio (where in the hell is the DTS-HD, Disney? And get rid of the graininess… looks like flying rice!)

jamal2 · 12-23-2009, 04:13 PM

hahahahahahahahahaha

almo89 · 12-23-2009, 04:22 PM

This is a joke right?

Pelican170 · 12-23-2009, 04:25 PM

is your tv calibrated correctly? and grain isnt necessarily a bad thing depending... I have season 3 and 4 on bluray and they look great... and no offense but i dont think you should be making fun of the DTS-HDMA when your running Bose equipment..

BD4ME · 12-23-2009, 04:27 PM

Fun stuff.

Disney is possibly the best studio regarding AQ/PQ (excluding one obvious exception).

seeweda · 12-23-2009, 04:33 PM

Actually the OP is not entirely wrong I noticed it as well there is a lot more grain in Season 5 than in previous seasons, especially during indoor scenes. The island shots and other outdoor scenes look incredible as always though.

SDon1969 · 12-23-2009, 04:34 PM

Maybe the Sharpness setting on your TV needs to be turned down? Just a random guess, I thought Lost was one of the best TV series-to-bluray disc sets out there...excellent PQ and AQ all-around (however, I have not yet watched Season 5, it is in the mail and I should get it soon).

tilapiah6 · 12-23-2009, 04:39 PM

Two things:

1. Yes, it's grainy. It keeps the grain fully intact.
2. It looks amazing.

ryoohki · 12-23-2009, 04:45 PM

It just shows you how crappy you're old display was and how good the new one is. Lost always have been grainy even in daylight. It's so much better than the DVD, that DVD look like Youtube HQ video... LOL!

McGarnigal · 12-23-2009, 04:52 PM

Yea you might not of found your truly prefered tv settings yet, samsungs 80,000:1 contrast ratio means ur tv can produce 80,000 diff colors at extreme settings, but not on screen at the same time, so not every setting is as great as can be- same with every tv out there

singhcr · 12-23-2009, 05:08 PM

I was under the impression that Lost was shot with HD cameras and not on film.

I guess I was wrong. I'm glad they kept the grain intact.

retablo · 12-23-2009, 05:16 PM

But Gladiator knocked your socks off, I guess?

mywhitenoise · 12-23-2009, 05:18 PM

haha!

...Bose. Haha!

TheZoof · 12-23-2009, 05:24 PM

I <3 grain.

I find you get a lot more detail from the picture with grain.

ENJOY!

retablo · 12-23-2009, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheZoof

I find you get a lot more detail from the picture with grain.

That's because grain IS the picture. Go Grain!

dougotte · 12-23-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singhcr

I was under the impression that Lost was shot with HD cameras and not on film.

I guess I was wrong. I'm glad they kept the grain intact.

I read on a forum a while back that the first few seasons were film, then they switched to HD video. However, imdb says it's 35mm film without any mention of a change to video. I don't know if imdb is correct and/or up-to-date.

Doug

retablo · 12-23-2009, 05:42 PM

Jeff Kleist · 12-23-2009, 05:58 PM

Shows shot on HD cameras almost always have artificial grain added to them via FilmLook or some other plugin like that. The raw footage looks like something from the evening news before they do that

For some reason the first 5 or so eps look like that (I'm guessing a stylistic choice) and then things clear up.

Audio codecs do not a mix, nor a sound capture make, and there isn't time to ADR every piece of errant dialog on a TV production schedule. Often times the actors are in the booth less than 24 hours before it goes to air

42041 · 12-23-2009, 06:36 PM

Get a new TV, yours seems to be broken. Season 5 looks fantastic. Grainy it ain't, except for some dark scenes where that's to be expected.

Rizor · 12-23-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retablo

I know nothing about what film/HD cameras. Is that a film camera or an HD camera on the steadicam? Thanks.

12-23-2009, 12:19 PM	#1
wvl Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2008 Location:SoCal, planet Earth Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:2195 DVD collection:338 Blu-ray reviews: 88	LOST Season "5" really grainy I had been waiting for season 5 for a while and finally got it. I watched 5 episodes yesterday and noticed it was “grainy.” Just had replaced my old Samsung 52 inch (15,000:1 contrast) with another Samsung 52 inch (80,000:1 contrast) and noticed the graininess while watching season 5. Then I went back to watch the last episode from season 4 and noticed it too was very grainy. "Wonder why I didn't catch that before," a question I asked myself. Anyway, anyone else think season 5 or any other season is grainy too? There was a lot of hype that went into this series. I remember watching some of the extras and there was mentioning of a lot of improvements were included in season 3 and more improvements coming to season 4 and 5. Hmm... makes me wonder, because --- they can add all the bells and whistles they want, but unless they get rid of the graininess, it ain't worth a “doodlely-squat” if the quality of the picture ain't there. Also, season 5 is in DTS-HD too; *could have fooled me*. Didn't sound like it to me. I even cleaned out the wax in my ears just to make sure (just kidding, I cleaned out the wax the night before). Bottom line: I don't think Disney/Buena Vista has put too much effort to making the seasons in blu ray quality. Watching these disks makes me think that I am watching 1080 upscale from a DVD format version. Don't get me wrong, I love the story behind "LOST", but... Final thoughts: There will be a lot of you out there that will disagree with me, but that’s my two cents worth. Just telling it like it is. By watching the latest season released, I expected to have my socks knocked off. I looked down at my feet; the socks were still there. If I were to rate season 5, I would give it a 3 star rating for mediocre PQ and a 3 star rating for audio (where in the hell is the DTS-HD, Disney? And get rid of the graininess… looks like flying rice!)

12-23-2009, 04:25 PM	#4
Pelican170 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Newtown, CT 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:735 DVD collection:256 Trading Score:13	is your tv calibrated correctly? and grain isnt necessarily a bad thing depending... I have season 3 and 4 on bluray and they look great... and no offense but i dont think you should be making fun of the DTS-HDMA when your running Bose equipment.. Last edited by Pelican170; 12-23-2009 at 04:32 PM.

12-23-2009, 05:42 PM	#17
retablo Banned Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hollywood Blu-ray collection:1307 Trading Score:1	Last edited by retablo; 12-23-2009 at 06:07 PM.

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12-23-2009, 04:13 PM	#2
jamal2 Banned Member since:Dec 2009 Blu-ray collection:602	hahahahahahahahahaha

12-23-2009, 04:22 PM	#3
almo89 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:3	This is a joke right?

12-23-2009, 04:27 PM	#5
BD4ME Active Member Member since:Nov 2009 Location:The Netherlands Blu-ray collection:79	Fun stuff. Disney is possibly the best studio regarding AQ/PQ (excluding one obvious exception).

12-23-2009, 04:33 PM	#6
seeweda Special Member Member since:Jun 2009 Blu-ray collection:302 Trading Score:6	Actually the OP is not entirely wrong I noticed it as well there is a lot more grain in Season 5 than in previous seasons, especially during indoor scenes. The island shots and other outdoor scenes look incredible as always though.

12-23-2009, 04:34 PM	#7
SDon1969 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Massachusetts Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:745 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Maybe the Sharpness setting on your TV needs to be turned down? Just a random guess, I thought Lost was one of the best TV series-to-bluray disc sets out there...excellent PQ and AQ all-around (however, I have not yet watched Season 5, it is in the mail and I should get it soon).

12-23-2009, 04:39 PM	#8
tilapiah6 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2008 Location:South Carolina Home Theater Gallery:40 Blu-ray collection:284 Trading Score:36	Two things: 1. Yes, it's grainy. It keeps the grain fully intact. 2. It looks amazing.

12-23-2009, 04:45 PM	#9
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	It just shows you how crappy you're old display was and how good the new one is. Lost always have been grainy even in daylight. It's so much better than the DVD, that DVD look like Youtube HQ video... LOL!

12-23-2009, 04:52 PM	#10
McGarnigal Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:148 Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:10	Yea you might not of found your truly prefered tv settings yet, samsungs 80,000:1 contrast ratio means ur tv can produce 80,000 diff colors at extreme settings, but not on screen at the same time, so not every setting is as great as can be- same with every tv out there

12-23-2009, 05:08 PM	#11
singhcr Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Apple Valley, MN Home Theater Gallery:11 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:26 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:42	I was under the impression that Lost was shot with HD cameras and not on film. I guess I was wrong. I'm glad they kept the grain intact.

12-23-2009, 05:16 PM	#12
retablo Banned Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hollywood Blu-ray collection:1307 Trading Score:1	But Gladiator knocked your socks off, I guess?

12-23-2009, 05:18 PM	#13
mywhitenoise Power Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Apr 2009 Location:California Home Theater Gallery:19 4K collection:73 Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:4	haha! ...Bose. Haha!

12-23-2009, 05:24 PM	#14
TheZoof Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Ottawa,Canada Home Theater Gallery:27 4K collection:850 Blu-ray collection:1636 DVD collection:10 Blu-ray reviews: 38 Trading Score:2	I <3 grain. I find you get a lot more detail from the picture with grain. ENJOY!

12-23-2009, 05:58 PM	#18
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	Shows shot on HD cameras almost always have artificial grain added to them via FilmLook or some other plugin like that. The raw footage looks like something from the evening news before they do that For some reason the first 5 or so eps look like that (I'm guessing a stylistic choice) and then things clear up. Audio codecs do not a mix, nor a sound capture make, and there isn't time to ADR every piece of errant dialog on a TV production schedule. Often times the actors are in the booth less than 24 hours before it goes to air

12-23-2009, 06:36 PM	#19
42041 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2008	Get a new TV, yours seems to be broken. Season 5 looks fantastic. Grainy it ain't, except for some dark scenes where that's to be expected.

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