Toshiba sees both HD formats co-existing - Blu-ray Forum

DJeffries · 11-21-2007, 04:24 PM

I don't buy this one at all but apparently Toshiba wants to sell the notion that movie exclusivity is acceptable to the pulic like console games are now.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...existing.phtml

Beta-guy · 11-21-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJeffries

I don't buy this one at all but apparently Toshiba wants to sell the notion that movie exclusivity is acceptable to the pulic like console games are now.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...existing.phtml

this idea is based in history remember how Betamax and VHS co-existed... oh wait never mind I guess they just don't want to admit failure

Blu Titan · 11-21-2007, 04:28 PM

I am sure that Toshiba will settle for a draw, but that is an outcome that nobody wants!

Cyorg · 11-21-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

this idea is based in history remember how Betamax and VHS co-existed... oh wait never mind I guess they just don't want to admit failure

That's what I was thinking.

aphex · 11-21-2007, 04:29 PM

haha at lest they're admitting that they can't win.

JTK · 11-21-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJeffries

I don't buy this one at all but apparently Toshiba wants to sell the notion that movie exclusivity is acceptable to the pulic like console games are now.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...existing.phtml

Nothing new. DUD-ers and like minded apologists have been pushing this line for months now, when it became crystal clear that there was no way whatsoever that "their beloved format" could outright win this thing.

The gaming console/platform world and this are very different from one another.

The only way sales take off and you ever have a chance in hell of a real successor to DVD is one unified HD format, not two.

sj001 · 11-21-2007, 04:29 PM

Well, Toshiba is certainly being unrealistic, neither retailers nor consumers will accept 2 formats, with divided studios. Now, if ALL studios released on both formats, this would be a completely different story.

JTK · 11-21-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

Well, Toshiba is certainly being unrealistic, neither retailers nor consumers will accept 2 formats, with divided studios.

Correct.

They've been unrealistic about a lot of things for a while when you really get down to it.

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[Now, if ALL studios released on both formats, this would be a completely different story.

And we all know that will never happen, starting with SPE themselves. The concept dies right there.

CptGreedle · 11-21-2007, 04:37 PM

If Toshiba really believes both formats are going to coexist, why don't they make a Blu-ray disc player too???
Put your mouth where your money is Toshiba! Support Blu-ray if you think they will both last and you will see sales go up, and HD-DVD go down!

CptGreedle · 11-21-2007, 04:38 PM

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consumers have got used to getting exclusives from games companies for their consoles, so why not for movies?

I HATE that quote. Dumb@$$ thinks he can compare games to movies?? Is he on pot?

DJeffries · 11-21-2007, 04:38 PM

If memory serves me right studio exclusitivity was about the last straw in Beta's back. Disney joined in the fray real late in the game as a VHS exclusive studio thus giving the fatal blow to Beta.

w_tanoto · 11-21-2007, 04:42 PM

they can't say it's co-existed. True that it co-existed, but with bigger proportion for BD. Sooner or later, HD DVD will die just like betamax

frank_t · 11-21-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJeffries

I don't buy this one at all but apparently Toshiba wants to sell the notion that movie exclusivity is acceptable to the pulic like console games are now.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...existing.phtml

Two different demographics.

Encoding a movie is not the same as creating a game for a console.

HD-DVD like every microsoft solution, is a closed and half-baked format -- it's the "good enough" solution. It attempts to win on FUD, of which Microsoft are masters of. lets remember who pulls the strings here (and why).

glenn22 · 11-21-2007, 04:43 PM

What a giant pile of BS. He's just trying to save face for when they lose to Blu-ray.

Saying that games have been exclusive so why can't movies? Well with movies, we all get to see them in the theater first, then we expect them on DVD/Hi Def later, it's different for games.

Tulsa · 11-21-2007, 04:43 PM

I'm guessing that Toshiba has just about recouped their R&D investement in their players and is taking their first steps towards backing out of the war.

Mericalis · 11-21-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I guess they just don't want to admit failure

It's called saving face. Otherwise, we might hear the agonizing yell of a few Tosh execs as they commit seppuku.

Beta-guy · 11-21-2007, 04:47 PM

a question just came to me, has HD-DVD since the begining of this format war been look at co-existance as a realistic option or is this now one of the stages of dealing with a loss (denial)?

SpikesBluBlooded · 11-21-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

Well, Toshiba is certainly being unrealistic, neither retailers nor consumers will accept 2 formats, with divided studios. Now, if ALL studios released on both formats, this would be a completely different story.

Well, I agree to a certain extent. Toshiba is definitely being unrealistic (pretty much sounds like a defeated attitude), as retailers and consumers both have clearly indicated that they do not want it.

Now about your comment regarding the studios: this would be very, very, very bad. Just look at what's being done with the Warner titles, and games that are being released for both PS3 and XBox360. In both instances the product is being "dumbed down" to be compatible with both platforms, sacrificing the superior benefits of the better of the two to keep costs down.

This would be the WORST scenerio for consumers, and if we're going to do that, we might as well just adopt HD DVD and ditch Blu-ray altogether (uh, no, not really) since the studios wouldn't be taking full advantage of what Blu-ray could do. This would never be accepted by the public, as is apparent already from the slow adoption of the Hi-def formats. Plus, you're asking people to go from what they've always had (a single player that plays all movies) to having to have 2? Ya, right. Good luck with that. See you in line at the soup kitchen.

Simply put, Toshiba is admitting, in so many words, that they CAN NOT WIN as the sole format of choice, so they want people to settle for a draw. And if we, as consumers, did accept that, what would stop a third, or fourth party from deciding that they can come up with a better or comparable format and get a studio to back them exclusively?!

Finally, if there was a gaming platform that could play all the games available (as DVD plays all the movies available) for cheaper, how many people would be jumping at the console that only plays SOME of the games that they want? This just doesn't make sense, and quite frankly, it's insulting.

sj001 · 11-21-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mericalis

It's called saving face. Otherwise, we might hear the agonizing yell of a few Tosh execs as they commit seppuku.

Yep, my thoughts exactly... heads are gonna roll, or mass suicides are going to occur at Toshiba. The demand for swords in Japan will go up, all being purchased by Toshiba.

CptGreedle · 11-21-2007, 04:48 PM

Well I hope they "save face" more often, it makes them and HD-DVD look bad when they say things like that. You won't find Blu-ray saying that.
I just hope WB goes Blu, and then Uni... leaving the weak Paramount all high and dry.... BD will win this, it is just a matter of time. Toshiba can be in denial all they want.

11-21-2007, 04:24 PM	#1
DJeffries Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:The middle of nowhereland Blu-ray collection:673	Toshiba sees both HD formats co-existing I don't buy this one at all but apparently Toshiba wants to sell the notion that movie exclusivity is acceptable to the pulic like console games are now. http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...existing.phtml

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11-21-2007, 04:28 PM	#3
Blu Titan Super Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Edo, Land of the Samurai Home Theater Gallery:42 4K collection:41 Blu-ray collection:2864 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:92	I am sure that Toshiba will settle for a draw, but that is an outcome that nobody wants!

11-21-2007, 04:29 PM	#5
aphex Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Scottsdale Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:4	haha at lest they're admitting that they can't win.

11-21-2007, 04:29 PM	#7
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	Well, Toshiba is certainly being unrealistic, neither retailers nor consumers will accept 2 formats, with divided studios. Now, if ALL studios released on both formats, this would be a completely different story.

11-21-2007, 04:37 PM	#9
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	If Toshiba really believes both formats are going to coexist, why don't they make a Blu-ray disc player too??? Put your mouth where your money is Toshiba! Support Blu-ray if you think they will both last and you will see sales go up, and HD-DVD go down!

11-21-2007, 04:38 PM	#11
DJeffries Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:The middle of nowhereland Blu-ray collection:673	If memory serves me right studio exclusitivity was about the last straw in Beta's back. Disney joined in the fray real late in the game as a VHS exclusive studio thus giving the fatal blow to Beta.

11-21-2007, 04:42 PM	#12
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	they can't say it's co-existed. True that it co-existed, but with bigger proportion for BD. Sooner or later, HD DVD will die just like betamax

11-21-2007, 04:43 PM	#14
glenn22 Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Vancouver, Canada	What a giant pile of BS. He's just trying to save face for when they lose to Blu-ray. Saying that games have been exclusive so why can't movies? Well with movies, we all get to see them in the theater first, then we expect them on DVD/Hi Def later, it's different for games.

11-21-2007, 04:43 PM	#15
Tulsa Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	I'm guessing that Toshiba has just about recouped their R&D investement in their players and is taking their first steps towards backing out of the war.

11-21-2007, 04:47 PM	#17
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	a question just came to me, has HD-DVD since the begining of this format war been look at co-existance as a realistic option or is this now one of the stages of dealing with a loss (denial)?

11-21-2007, 04:48 PM	#20
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Well I hope they "save face" more often, it makes them and HD-DVD look bad when they say things like that. You won't find Blu-ray saying that. I just hope WB goes Blu, and then Uni... leaving the weak Paramount all high and dry.... BD will win this, it is just a matter of time. Toshiba can be in denial all they want.

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