Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya (1998) - Blu Ray - T-Series (ScreenShots)

[Rancho]

Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya (1998)

Screen shots Courtesy: DDR

Video:- HD 1080p
Audio:- PCM 2.0 | DD 5.1 @ 448 kbps (Created from Uncompressed LPCM)
BD Size:- 37.2 GB

Video Label:- T-Series
No Watermarks,No Fillers.

[gangstashady]

Awesome!

The Blu Ray is quite good

[Shiaedoeu]

Thanks for sharing the shots Rancho. It looks pretty good. Another unexpected release, but who can really complain.

[kailashu]

Who does the BD authoring for T-Series? Does anyone know?

[Ferhan]

Why is this 2 ch stereo?

The film was originally in DTS so we should have 5.1!!!

Another gaffe from T-Series

[Anurag1700]

Screenshots look impressive for a film of this age. However its still a no no from me because of that goof up in audio. I cant even Imagine how irritating it wold be to see the opening credits of the film rolling the word DTS on screen and realising that I am listening to a 2 ch pseudo 5.1 instead from the BD! Especially for a film with a fantastic music and songs, it is criminal offence.

[gurkirat]

oh man ! this is amazing ! i love the pq but i dont like the movie ! though the songs r awesome !!!!!!!!! ~ i guess ill go for this 1 only for the songs and kajol !

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by Ferhan

Why is this 2 ch stereo?

The film was originally in DTS so we should have 5.1!!!

Another gaffe from T-Series

Even more importantly, the DD 5.1 is a Pseudo surround mix, menaing all 5 chanels have the same mono sound. This in my opinion is worse than even the obnoxious logo watermarks. This blu-ray must be boycotted completely to send a clear message to T-Series that such nonsense is totally unacceptable.

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by gurkirat

i guess ill go for this 1 only for the songs and kajol !

How can you enjoy the songs with the same sound coming out of all five speakers? This blu-ray must be boycotted, ie. if yolu want to prevent bollywood blu-rays ending u0p being like bollywood DVDs.

[saiparsad]

Originally Posted by Justice4All

Even more importantly, the DD 5.1 is a Pseudo surround mix, menaing all 5 chanels have the same mono sound. This in my opinion is worse than even the obnoxious logo watermarks. This blu-ray must be boycotted completely to send a clear message to T-Series that such nonsense is totally unacceptable.

Are you sure that this movie was released with DTS or Dolby digital 5.1?Anybody in this forum has watched its DVD with 5.1 or DTS?
I have got the BD today ,it has 2 tracks of uncompressed audio. It sounds very good. Picture quality is very good.I dont care if they have created a bonus audio with all the tracks with same audio. Its like a free sweet after a dinner. TSeries is not forcing me to listen fake 5.1. Even if there was real DTS in original film and Tseries has not provided DTS audio in this disc-then there might be some reasons.TSeries has clearly mentioned that 2nd audio option is created with 2 channels of uncompressed mono sound.No where on the cover they have claimed that it contains DTS or dolby digital 5.1 sound.

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by saiparsad

Are you sure that this movie was released with DTS or Dolby digital 5.1?Anybody in this forum has watched its DVD with 5.1 or DTS?

Considering that 'Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya' is a movie released in 1998, I can guarantee that the movie was atleast released with a 5.1 sound mix, irrespective of whether the codec used was DD, DTS or both. Thus any blu-ray released with less than 'real' 5.1 sound, is not representative of the original audio.

Originally Posted by saiparsad

I have got the BD today ,it has 2 tracks of uncompressed audio. It sounds very good. Picture quality is very good.I dont care if they have created a bonus audio with all the tracks with same audio. Its like a free sweet after a dinner. TSeries is not forcing me to listen fake 5.1. Even if there was real DTS in original film and Tseries has not provided DTS audio in this disc-then there might be some reasons.

So I guess we are back to the silly argument of how audio is not important and all that matters is the picture quality on a blu-ray. For the umpteenth time why can't people understand that the Blu-ray format is for both HD Video and HD audio. By the way just like HD video is not acceptable with a modifed aspect ratio, neither is HD audio acceptable with a different mix than the original 5.1. I am sorry to say and I mean no offence, but it is customers such as yourself who are responsible for the crappy DVDs we have gotten all these years and if the "Picture quality is very good.I dont care if they have created a bonus audio with all the tracks with same audio." attitude continues, then you can rest assured the blu-rays too will be as crappy as the DVDs. By the way, T-Series is forcing you to listen to an incorrect audio mix, irrespective of which of the two tracks you listen to on the Blu-ray. Mono audio presented through 2 channels or through 5 channels, is incorrect and therefore both are unacceptable.

Originally Posted by saiparsad

TSeries has clearly mentioned that 2nd audio option is created with 2 channels of uncompressed mono sound.No where on the cover they have claimed that it contains DTS or dolby digital 5.1 sound.

By the way, simply by stating their stupidity on the cover does not make it any more acceptable. The only consolation is that they have not lied and misled. Bottom line is, NOTHING LESS THAN THE ORIGINAL AUDIO MIX IN A LOSSLESS CODEC IS ACCEPTABLE ON BLU-RAY.

[anibap]

This being the first BD where a pseudo 5.1 track is provided was sure to generate controversy and it has started.

My take on the BD from initial spec and screenshots

Audio -
It has the PCM 2.0 lossless track - which for a 12 year old films sounds quite unusual but the question here is - what was the available source sound track? If it is 2.0, then I think this should not be an issue at least it is lossless. Many Hollywood BDs have lossles 2.0 or 2.1 tracks....However, if the movie had DTS track and the source is perfectly fine, then T-Series has made a blunder. I highly doubt that they made a mistake but I can't be sure...

The 5.1 pseudo track could be that the Studio insisted in adding one (although I don't see a justification for that) and the authoring team had to include one...

Video
For a film which is around 12 years old, the PQ looks more or less good. There is only one issue I can see - Contrast Hot spotting / Blown contrast - See the brighter areas, they appear blown....

I have no idea when authoring teams would realise that contrast needs to be balanced and not overblown...No film in theatres look like that and that is why it appears filmic in theatres and the same should get replicated in a BD.

DVD authroing had certain limitaions in greyscale tracking, dynamic range and color gamut but BD technology can overcome all such issues if it is authored properly. Contrast hot spotting is one of the worst defects of a BD and I hate to see that.

At the same time consumers need to raise their voice againts video like high contrast presentations... Most people are uised to seeing presentations like this but with BD you are not watching a TV program or a DVD, you are watching a film as it was intended by the director in a filmic way.


My 2 pence ....

[divyansh]

i think that t series has released all the movies in original 5.1 sound so if 5.1 was available to them they would surely have used it........!! maybe the movie was not mixed in 5.1 or the producers could not arrange for the source for the same.......

[Bollywood Blu-ray]

THE SLEEVE

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by anibap

Audio -
It has the PCM 2.0 lossless track - which for a 12 year old films sounds quite unusual but the question here is - what was the available source sound track? If it is 2.0, then I think this should not be an issue at least it is lossless. Many Hollywood BDs have lossles 2.0 or 2.1 tracks....However, if the movie had DTS track and the source is perfectly fine, then T-Series has made a blunder. I highly doubt that they made a mistake but I can't be sure...

As pointed out clearly by 'Anurag1700' in his post in the other thread, the movie was originally mixed and released with 5.1 sound. Thus any audio mix less than that, should be totally unacceptable. Personally I think that this is an even bigger issue than the logo 'watermarks' issue and it ought to have every up in arms even more so.
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Originally Posted by Anurag1700;3702260)Primarily because the [b

opening credits of the film itself show that a DTS mix was encoded for this film[/b]. A Pseudo 5.1 No way. if this info is anyway acurate, its plain murder of the soundtrack. Further, I wouldnt be surprised if the LPCM 2 Ch turns out to be actually mono!! As the sound was mono on DVD.

Originally Posted by divyansh

i think that t series has released all the movies in original 5.1 sound so if 5.1 was available to them they would surely have used it........!!

Never underestimate the arrogance and or stupidity of these companies. My statement is clearly borne out by the history of 'home video' in India.

Originally Posted by divyansh

maybe the movie was not mixed in 5.1

It has already been established that the movie was originally mixed and released with 5.1 sound.

Originally Posted by divyansh

or the producers could not arrange for the source for the same.......

I am sorry but that is not excusable. It is their responsibility to arrange for the correct source and if not then simply abstain from releasing that particular title on Blu-ray. After all it's not like there is a dearth of titles to release. There are numerous titles far better and more popular than this pretty average title, if I may even term it that, waiting to be released on Blu-ray. Rs. 699 for a Blu-ray with 2.0 mono and 5.0 mono audio, is beyond just being a rip-off.

[divyansh]

^^^^^+1 samajj gayaa sir jii.......!!!

[anibap]

Originally Posted by Justice4All

I am sorry but that is not excusable. It is their responsibility to arrange for the correct source and if not then simply abstain from releasing that particular title on Blu-ray. After all it's not like there is a dearth of titles to release. There are numerous titles far better and more popular than this pretty average title, if I may even term it that, waiting to be released on Blu-ray. Rs. 699 for a Blu-ray with 2.0 mono and 5.0 mono audio, is beyond just being a rip-off.

I know what you mean but it is not just the point about excuse. It could be their only choice (subjected to the confirmed availability of a 5.1 source). There are multiple possibilities - original source was 5.1 but got damaged and beyond repair or could take a lot of money to restore...who decides to put money and restore - again it is the studio. If they think this can sell, thats their strategy and research.

As a consumer we cannot demand them to abstain from releasing a BD they own the rights to. What we can do is boycott the release as a protest.

Honestly, I don't care about this BD but the controversy is quite real. If it can be proved that they didn't had a better source then we must accept that this is the best on offer now and move on. But at the same time the industry should not take this as an example to release such pseudo tracks to cut costs and offer the consumers less than the expected quality.

I have a feeling we will see more BDs of this kind with pseudo 5.1 tracks. I only hope I am wrong unless the technical limitation is real.

Things in India are never real consumer driven other than FMCG but that also is based on demand to meet day to day stuff and not in real sense consumer driven or by educated choice...I don't see the movie houses to be any exception although I would like to see things change for good.

The next point on choice / priority of releasing titles in Bollywood sometimes makes me think what they were thinking but again it is their prerogative to decide which one should go next. They might have a logic but some recent releases has kept me baffled as to what that could be…

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by anibap

I know what you mean but it is not just the point about excuse. It could be their only choice (subjected to the confirmed availability of a 5.1 source). There are multiple possibilities - original source was 5.1 but got damaged and beyond repair or could take a lot of money to restore...who decides to put money and restore - again it is the studio. If they think this can sell, thats their strategy and research.

I totally understand your point about limitations at times of actually not having the original source available. But having said that, I find it impossible to believe that if the desire was there, that T-Series cannot get hold of atleast one copy of the DTS CD of which hundreds of copies were pressed for the theatrical release. All it would take is the desire and a few calls to the right people to arrange for atleast a copy of the DTS CD, even if the original lossless surround mix is no longer available. Please do keep in mind that we are referring to a digital source and thus degradation with time is not a real issue here. I agree that expecting any sort of restoration is unrealistic specially for such titles as this. But I seriously doubt that any such issue was at play here. In any case there is absolutely no excuse for the pseudo 5.0 mono surrond sound.

PS: Either way, an explanation/clarification on why this title lacks a true 5.1 audio track is due from T-Series.

Originally Posted by anibap

As a consumer we cannot demand them to abstain from releasing a BD they own the rights to. What we can do is boycott the release as a protest.

I realize too that my stating that they not release such titles on Blu-ray is also quite unrealistic and you are right that as consumers we can only protest by boycotting such blu-rays.

Originally Posted by anibap

Honestly, I don't care about this BD but the controversy is quite real. If it can be proved that they didn't had a better source then we must accept that this is the best on offer now and move on. But at the same time the industry should not take this as an example to release such pseudo tracks to cut costs and offer the consumers less than the expected quality.

Personally I too have zero interest in this or any other such titles, but my concern is on a macro level. If we do not protest this now, then I am absolutely sure that T-Series and other companies will feel encouraged to do the same with more and more catalog titles. My protesting this title is the same as protesting logo 'watermarks' on titles that I had no personal interest in or even my protesting Yash Raj implementing logo 'watermarks' with sub-titles, something that does not effect me personally.

Originally Posted by anibap

I have a feeling we will see more BDs of this kind with pseudo 5.1 tracks. I only hope I am wrong unless the technical limitation is real.

You can bet your life on it that we will be seeing more of this, that is unless we protest this now and send a loud & clear message to T-Series that this is unacceptable. If we had not spoken out and protested the logo 'watermarks' in one voice, we would still be seeing them on all titles. Therefore, my request to one and all is that please keep your personal preference of this title aside and boycott this title. These companies do understand atleast the language of money if nothing else. So please let's all vote with our wallets.

[anibap]

Originally Posted by Justice4All

I totally understand your point about limitations at times of actually not having the original source available. But having said that, I find it impossible to believe that if the desire was there, that T-Series cannot get hold of atleast one copy of the DTS CD of which hundreds of copies were pressed for the theatrical release. All it would take is the desire and a few calls to the right people to arrange for atleast a copy of the DTS CD, even if the original lossless surround mix is no longer available. Please do keep in mind that we are referring to a digital source and thus degradation with time is not a real issue here. I agree that expecting any sort of restoration is unrealistic specially for such titles as this. But I seriously doubt that any such issue was at play here. In any case there is absolutely no excuse for the pseudo 5.0 mono surrond sound.

PS: Either way, an explanation/clarification on why this title lacks a true 5.1 audio track is due from T-Series.

I realize too that my stating that they not release such titles on Blu-ray is also quite unrealistic and you are right that as consumers we can only protest by boycotting such blu-rays.
Personally I too have zero interest in this or any other such titles, but my concern is on a macro level. If we do not protest this now, then I am absolutely sure that T-Series and other companies will feel encouraged to do the same with more and more catalog titles. My protesting this title is the same as protesting logo 'watermarks' on titles that I had no personal interest in or even my protesting Yash Raj implementing logo 'watermarks' with sub-titles, something that does not effect me personally.
You can bet your life on it that we will be seeing more of this, that is unless we protest this now and send a loud & clear message to T-Series that this is unacceptable. If we had not spoken out and protested the logo 'watermarks' in one voice, we would still be seeing them on all titles. Therefore, my request to one and all is that please keep your personal preference of this title aside and boycott this title. These companies do understand atleast the language of money if nothing else. So please let's all vote with our wallets.

It is great to see that we are equivocal about the quality aspects and expectations on BDs from India. As you said rightly, we need to protest and make sure this is not repeated with other old titles and if there are real limitations better to have a lossless 2.0 track only and no pseudo 5.1 track. At least people can use the DSPs on their AVRs if they want instead of throwing a mix that is just ridiculous.

Pseudo track on BD is an insult to the format unless one can justifyu it reasonably.

[anibap]

Guys,

Just saw this in youtube... The movie actually had a DTS mix as many of you suggested...two screenshots shows below the DTS proof (courtesy Youtube )

T-Series must give a statement why the DTS track was not used

At the begining of movie


At the end in rolling credits