Is HD-DVD dead in the water? - Blu-ray Forum

Rimmer · 09-03-2004, 08:09 PM

Now that the Blu-ray group has confirmed support for next generation codecs in Blu-ray players, the one area where HD-DVD had a clear advantage is gone.

It will be the studios that decide which format to use for pre-recorded content, but Blu-ray has so much support that it's hard to see the HD-DVD format ever getting off the ground. What then for the DVD Forum?

From the recording point of view, next generation codecs will help to extend the life of Blu-ray even further. No doubt MPEG-2 will be used for home recordings until the cost of MPEG-4 AVC/VC-1 consumer encoding chipsets comes down; when it does, manufacturers will be able to sell these new recorders as a next generation product.

lifeboat · 09-03-2004, 11:48 PM

"Now that the Blu-ray group has confirmed support for next generation codecs in Blu-ray players, the one area where HD-DVD had a clear advantage is gone."

This support could easily have been predicted and yes, HD-DVD will lose this battle. They will not lose this battle because Blu-ray will have 50 GB discs competing against 30 GB discs. They will lose this battle because Blu-ray will have 100 GB discs competing against 30 GB discs. How can a format compete against a format that has over three times the capacity? It can't.

Eric

Rimmer · 09-04-2004, 04:31 PM

I don't think support for next generation codecs was a foregone conclusion.

For a long time the BDF's position was that MPEG-2/DD5.1/DTS was good enough for next gen DVDs, much to the dismay of the AV community in general. In fact, it seems they only decided to include new codecs due to competition from HD-DVD.

lifeboat · 09-04-2004, 04:59 PM

"In fact, it seems they only decided to include new codecs due to competition from HD-DVD."

The reason it was a foregone conclusion to me is that I saw that HD-DVD competition would force their hand and adding codecs is not a particularly difficult thing to do. Likewise, HD-DVD competition is forcing them to accelerate development of the 100 GB quad layer BD-ROM.

Eric

oxygenuk · 10-03-2004, 08:28 AM

will the sound and picture on blu-ray be something like superbit dvd's?

lifeboat · 10-03-2004, 09:27 PM

"will the sound and picture on blu-ray be something like superbit dvd's?"

The Blu-ray will initially support 6 times the picture resolution and better sound than any DVDs. The audio codecs are still in discussion at this time. As the Blu-ray goes from a 54 GB capacity to a 100 or 200 GB capacity, I would expect it to embrace even better sound and picture standards.

Eric

09-03-2004, 08:09 PM	#1
Rimmer Junior Member Member since:May 2004	Is HD-DVD dead in the water? Now that the Blu-ray group has confirmed support for next generation codecs in Blu-ray players, the one area where HD-DVD had a clear advantage is gone. It will be the studios that decide which format to use for pre-recorded content, but Blu-ray has so much support that it's hard to see the HD-DVD format ever getting off the ground. What then for the DVD Forum? From the recording point of view, next generation codecs will help to extend the life of Blu-ray even further. No doubt MPEG-2 will be used for home recordings until the cost of MPEG-4 AVC/VC-1 consumer encoding chipsets comes down; when it does, manufacturers will be able to sell these new recorders as a next generation product.

09-03-2004, 11:48 PM	#2
lifeboat Member Member since:Aug 2004	Re: Is HD-DVD dead in the water? "Now that the Blu-ray group has confirmed support for next generation codecs in Blu-ray players, the one area where HD-DVD had a clear advantage is gone." This support could easily have been predicted and yes, HD-DVD will lose this battle. They will not lose this battle because Blu-ray will have 50 GB discs competing against 30 GB discs. They will lose this battle because Blu-ray will have 100 GB discs competing against 30 GB discs. How can a format compete against a format that has over three times the capacity? It can't. Eric

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09-04-2004, 04:31 PM	#3
Rimmer Junior Member Member since:May 2004	I don't think support for next generation codecs was a foregone conclusion. For a long time the BDF's position was that MPEG-2/DD5.1/DTS was good enough for next gen DVDs, much to the dismay of the AV community in general. In fact, it seems they only decided to include new codecs due to competition from HD-DVD.

09-04-2004, 04:59 PM	#4
lifeboat Member Member since:Aug 2004	"In fact, it seems they only decided to include new codecs due to competition from HD-DVD." The reason it was a foregone conclusion to me is that I saw that HD-DVD competition would force their hand and adding codecs is not a particularly difficult thing to do. Likewise, HD-DVD competition is forcing them to accelerate development of the 100 GB quad layer BD-ROM. Eric

10-03-2004, 08:28 AM	#5
oxygenuk Junior Member Member since:Aug 2004	will the sound and picture on blu-ray be something like superbit dvd's?

10-03-2004, 09:27 PM	#6
lifeboat Member Member since:Aug 2004	"will the sound and picture on blu-ray be something like superbit dvd's?" The Blu-ray will initially support 6 times the picture resolution and better sound than any DVDs. The audio codecs are still in discussion at this time. As the Blu-ray goes from a 54 GB capacity to a 100 or 200 GB capacity, I would expect it to embrace even better sound and picture standards. Eric

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