Grade the PS3 in it's first year of existence... - Blu-ray Forum

Steelmaker · 12-03-2007, 12:13 PM

PROS:

1.) Very solid and reliable hardware. An excellently designed machine
packed with features that really do make it "future proof."

2.) Blu Ray playback is awesome and so far the library has been great!

3.) Very good 1st year exclusive titles such as Heavenly Sword, Uncharted,
Resistance, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Fable, and Ratchet and Clank.

4.) A decent online structure (especially to be free) and I think the XMB is a
much more elegant interface than the folder slides found on the 360.

5.) A steady stream of updates that have improved the system.

6.) Very good exclusive downloadable games such as Warhawk, Everyday
Shooter, Calling all Cars, Pain, Go Puzzle, etc.

CONS

1.) Poor multiplatform support. Games coming out late or coming out inferior
to versions on competing hardware (hopefully getting better).

2.) Important missing features on PSN such as in game XMB access, custom
soundtracks, achievements, etc.

3.) Too many game delays (almost reminds me of the N64 days).

4.) Not enough downloadable content. Need more demos, videos, etc.

5.) Was way overpriced (yes this has been rectified but I paid 600.00 for it
and early on it really hurt the system as far as public perception and
sales. I will NEVER pay that much for a system again.)

6.) Horrid tv ads and an overall lack of information to the public as to what the machine is about
(though hopefully getting better.)

Overall I would give the PS3 a B- for it's first year of existence. 3rd party support really needs to ramp up! If the PS3 versions of NCAA Football and Madden are not at least AS good as the 360 versions next year, I will be forced to go multi-platform.

richard lichtenfelt · 12-03-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelmaker

1.) Games coming out late or coming out inferior
to versions on competing hardware (hopefully getting better).

The inferior comment is odd as cross platform games are almost always ranked on video game review sites with the same score.
Games coming out late has been happening since the Atari 2600 and is by no means a PS3 issue. Take the new Grand Theft Auto coming to both systems as an example, it has been delayed on both consoles till the same date.
You are entitled to your opinion though.

Go Blu · 12-03-2007, 12:22 PM

The PS3 should get more love from developers as the sales of the PS3 continue to do well. Last year there just wasn't enough consoles to justify their investment. Hopefully we'll start to see allot more support this year and on.

For the first year I would say the PS3 ranks very well.
Its packed with true next gen technology with almost bullet proof reliability.
Everything else will improve with time and support.

Steelmaker · 12-03-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

The inferior comment is odd as cross platform games are almost always ranked on video game review sites with the same score.

I don't care about what the reviews say. I know what I have seen and played with my own eyes. Shall I cite examples? Madden 08, NCAA Football 08, Rainbow Six Vegas, Guitar Hero 3, NHL 2008, The Darkness, Ghost Recon: Advanced War 2, Virtua Fighter 4, Virtua Tennis, etc. ALL of these games are superior on the 360 in some form or fashion. They either look or play better (in some cases they look AND play better) than the PS3 versions or they have features that are missing on PS3 such as online play with Virtua Fighter and Virtua Tennis.

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Games coming out late has been happening since the Atari 2600 and is by no means a PS3 issue. Take the new Grand Theft Auto coming to both systems as an example, it has been delayed on both consoles till the same date.

True, but we're not talking about other systems here. We're talking about the PS3. I don't care what's been delayed on other systems. I only care about PS3.

Quote:

How could you not like the new PS3 ads?

The new ads are great. However I'm grading on overall performance for the entire year and 2 months of good advertising does not outweigh 10 months of poor advertising.

finalfantasy · 12-03-2007, 12:50 PM

IMHO...

Here are the reasons why PS3 deserves A+

1) I have been a huge computer gamer for years...I told myself 4-5 years ago that if console can make games look as good as PC games, I'd convert...I am a convert!
2) Blu-ray feature is top notch...picture/sound and ease of use...all of it is great...I still don't have a remote since the controller is all I need...
3) Wireless controller and no battery...come on, that's just too simple, yet too great...
4) When I have guests over, all they can say is how realistic the picture quality is on any game...
5) My four year old daughter loves to play Virtual Fighter...she thinks the racing games are played using real cars!!!
6) Price is cheap when considering what you get...Wi-Fi, Blu-ray capability, audio...etc etc...it's like a $20,000 Audi A8...

The more practical people will throw cons into the mix as they should...

But, complaints over lack of games etc is not fair...it will take time and the library will build up...the BRay conversions of movies is slow but steady...Gran Turismo and FFXIII will make PS3 skeptics quiver with guilt.

richard lichtenfelt · 12-03-2007, 12:52 PM

You really bought both versions of all those games, or do you know someone with another system who has the exact same games as you? That's odd.
Seems like a serious statistical improbability, but whatever.
I sold my second Xbox 360 (the 1st one broke), because I preferred the PS3 games. To each his own.
Something for people to consider regarding the Xbox 360:
http://360-gamer.com/xbox360hardwarefailureresults.asp
"Overall 4200 (66.70%) of submissions claim to have experienced Xbox 360 hardware failure"
"The 4200 submissions citing problems collectively claim a total of 6916 broken Xbox 360s"
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/ar..._xbox_360.html
"pointing in particular to a survey by Xbox360 Gamer which found some people who'd had up to 7 faulty consoles."
For making the most problematic video game system ever I give Xbox 360 an F. I feel like a sucker for ever having bought one.
I give my PS3 an A-, for now. Once the second generation of games comes out I feel that grade will almost certainly improve.

richard lichtenfelt · 12-03-2007, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

True, but we're not talking about other systems here. We're talking about the PS3. I don't care what's been delayed on other systems. I only care about PS3.

How can you blame the PS3 for a problem that is universal to all video game systems. It is the fault of the game developers not SCEA, yet you include it in your grading of the PS3?

Malosch78 · 12-03-2007, 01:00 PM

I love my PS3. Just need the DivX-support, and it's perfect

MacDaddyOJack · 12-03-2007, 01:04 PM

I can't give it an A+ because of a couple small glitches. I think it came out a bit too early. I understand that it had to come out soon so that it could combat the sales of its competitors but I think its really not going to take off until next year. There are a couple of small issues with BD playback as well (no DTS-MA) but overall it is a great system. I bought a stand alone player as I wanted DTS-MA support but I just couldnt resist the PS3 for gaming. It is a sweet machine. I give it the A-

Steelmaker · 12-03-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

You really bought both versions of all those games, or do you know someone with another system who has the exact same games as you? That's odd. Seems like a serious statistical improbability, but whatever.

I have 2 friends who have 360's and between them and I have played all of the games I cited. I stand by what I said, 3rd parties really need to step up their development on PS3 in 08 to ensure that their games are at LEAST on equal footing with the 360.

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Something for people to consider regarding the Xbox 360:
http://360-gamer.com/xbox360hardwarefailureresults.asp
"Overall 4200 (66.70%) of submissions claim to have experienced Xbox 360 hardware failure"
"The 4200 submissions citing problems collectively claim a total of 6916 broken Xbox 360s"
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/ar..._xbox_360.html
"pointing in particular to a survey by Xbox360 Gamer which found some people who'd had up to 7 faulty consoles."
For making the most problematic piece of electronics ever known I give Xbox 360 an F. I feel like a sucker for ever having bought one.

Aaaaand if I were grading the 360 I would most certainly factor the hardware failure rate into it. However, as I have already said, I am grading the PS3 here, not the 360.

darkpoet25 · 12-03-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

I can't give it an A+ because of a couple small glitches. I think it came out a bit too early. I understand that it had to come out soon so that it could combat the sales of its competitors but I think its really not going to take off until next year. There are a couple of small issues with BD playback as well (no DTS-MA) but overall it is a great system. I bought a stand alone player as I wanted DTS-MA support but I just couldnt resist the PS3 for gaming. It is a sweet machine. I give it the A-

We'll be getting the 1.1 profile update before the end of the year and that will hopefully get us DTS-MA as well as Dolby True HD. I give it an A, the games are slowly coming out, but they are shaping up to be great. My main gripe is that you can't access the XMB without having to stop either playing a game or watching a movie. My only glitch is that sometimes the controller will get stuck for a few seconds, other than that I love my PS3 and look forward to Metal Gear Solid 4, Unreal Tournament 3, Final Fantasy XIII, etc, as well as the plethora of great BD titles.

richard lichtenfelt · 12-03-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelmaker

If the PS3 versions of NCAA Football and Madden are not at least AS good as the 360 versions next year, I will be forced to go multi-platform.

So you didn't bring up the 360?
Just seems like maybe you are trying to get others to consider the Xbox 360 instead of the PS3 and I would like to share my experience and research with them as to why that isn't a good idea.
PS3 games made on a 25 or 50gb disc, Xbox 360 games made on a 9gb disc. Yes this is an issue even now as Halo 3 was in 640p (not even hi-def) and almost every level had you going back through it in reverse.
Call of Duty 4 is graphically superior on the PS3 and is the best vide game I have ever played.
The Xbox 360 has been out a year longer than the PS3, therefore, the developers have a greater familiarity with it. The PS3 is more technologically advanced than the Xbox 360 and will most likely surpass it during 2008. Computer technology doubles every 6 months and the PS3 came out a year later, it's just not being utilized any where near capacity yet due to the learning curve.

Steelmaker · 12-03-2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

So you didn't bring up the 360?
Just seems like maybe you are trying to get others to consider the Xbox 360 instead of the PS3 and I would like to share my experience and research with them as to why that isn't a good idea.
PS3 games made on a 25 or 50gb disc, Xbox 360 games made on a 9gb disc. Yes this is an issue even now as Halo 3 was in 640p (not even hi-def) and almost every level had you going back through it in reverse.

Uh, no. Just stating the facts. Xbox 360 versions of NCAA and Madden 08 are superior to the PS3 versions, FACT!! Xbox 360 versions of Virtua Fighter 4 and Virtua Tennis have online play and the PS3 versions do not, FACT!!Besides, there's a difference between citing 360 hardware deficiences in a PS3 review and directly comparing the same game on both platforms. One has nothing to do with the other. The other does.

sevenwarlocks · 12-03-2007, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Blu

The PS3 should get more love from developers as the sales of the PS3 continue to do well. Last year there just wasn't enough consoles to justify their investment. Hopefully we'll start to see allot more support this year and on.

For the first year I would say the PS3 ranks very well.
Its packed with true next gen technology with almost bullet proof reliability.
Everything else will improve with time and support.

Indeed, developer support is the single largest issue contributing to a console's success or failure. The X-Box 360 seems to have won the first round in that battle, but the contest is far from over. The troubling rumor I keep hearing is that development for the PS3 is more complicated, and therefore more time consuming and expensive for developers than development for the X-Box 360. Of course, that too is an area that Sony could improve on in the future. I'd love to know if anyone had heard any more about this.

ikbradley · 12-03-2007, 01:57 PM

The PS3 gets a B+ for hardware and a B- for software.

Hardware:
The updates were fantastic, except they did not include in-game XMB access. The lack of rumble and failure to implement the six-axis to its true potential were also disappointments.

Software:
Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword delivered. Call of Duty 4 was a pleasant surprise, because it sank all of Halo 3's momentum going into the holiday. However, Home, Little Big Planet, MGS 4, and GTA IV being pushed back, coupled with Lair flopping were big disappointments that provided tons of fodder to the XBOTs.

Sony gets a B overall. It failed to secure Paramount/Dreamworks and its advertising campaign has been less than successful. This, with its failure to implement a very much needed viral campaign are key reasons why HD DVD is alive... altough on lifesupport.

richard lichtenfelt · 12-03-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Uh, no. Just stating the facts. Xbox 360 versions of NCAA and Madden 08 are superior to the PS3 versions, FACT!! Xbox 360 versions of Virtua Fighter 4 and Virtua Tennis have online play and the PS3 versions do not, FACT!!Besides, there's a difference between citing 360 hardware deficiences in a PS3 review and directly comparing the same game on both platforms. One has nothing to do with the other. The other does.

Are you telling me that I broke the rules of your thread by taking it in a direction that I wanted to? Aw shucks.

FACT!! You are trying to be a smart a$$ and I keep posting responses because I find you offensive!!
DEDUCTION!! The fact that it irritated you that I brought up the exceedingly poor quality of the Xbox 360 would seem to prove that I was right about you wanting to extol the virtues of the Xbox 360 while sullying the good name of the PS3.
OPINION!! buy an Xbox 360 and enjoy it while it lasts.
PROBABILITY!! Every time you play it you will have to wonder if it is going to die on you, forcing you to be without it for a month while it is being repaired by Microsoft. You may have to send it for repairs or replacement numerous times, "pointing in particular to a survey by Xbox360 Gamer which found some people who'd had up to 7 faulty consoles"
I'm not trying to dissuade you from buying one, provided you haven't already. I would in fact find it humorous if you did, so you could find out first hand what it is like to experience the red rings of death and month of waiting.
FACT!! I'm going elsewhere as you have bored me.

Blu-Ray Buckeye · 12-03-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Uh, no. Just stating the facts. Xbox 360 versions of NCAA and Madden 08 are superior to the PS3 versions, FACT!! Xbox 360 versions of Virtua Fighter 4 and Virtua Tennis have online play and the PS3 versions do not, FACT!!Besides, there's a difference between citing 360 hardware deficiences in a PS3 review and directly comparing the same game on both platforms. One has nothing to do with the other. The other does.

Fact! Your tone is desperate and you have an agenda. Move along.

Sonny · 12-03-2007, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Uh, no. Just stating the facts. Xbox 360 versions of NCAA and Madden 08 are superior to the PS3 versions, FACT!! Xbox 360 versions of Virtua Fighter 4 and Virtua Tennis have online play and the PS3 versions do not, FACT!!Besides, there's a difference between citing 360 hardware deficiences in a PS3 review and directly comparing the same game on both platforms. One has nothing to do with the other. The other does.

FACT! The XBOX360 is Hardware at its WORST!!

Go Blu · 12-03-2007, 02:14 PM

jocka06 · 12-03-2007, 02:15 PM

[QUOTE=Steelmaker;384082]Uh, no. Just stating the facts. Xbox 360 versions of NCAA and Madden 08 are superior to the PS3 versions, FACT!! Xbox 360 versions of Virtua Fighter 4 and Virtua Tennis have online play and the PS3 versions do not, FACT!!Besides, there's a difference between citing 360 hardware deficiences in a PS3 review and directly comparing the same game on both platforms. One has nothing to do with the other. The other does.[/QUOTE
I thought the developers had to develop the games so that the weaker machine can cope with it therefore reducing the quality on the ps3??

12-03-2007, 12:13 PM	#1
Steelmaker Blu-ray Duke Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Chattanooga, TN Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Grade the PS3 in it's first year of existence... PROS: 1.) Very solid and reliable hardware. An excellently designed machine packed with features that really do make it "future proof." 2.) Blu Ray playback is awesome and so far the library has been great! 3.) Very good 1st year exclusive titles such as Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Resistance, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Fable, and Ratchet and Clank. 4.) A decent online structure (especially to be free) and I think the XMB is a much more elegant interface than the folder slides found on the 360. 5.) A steady stream of updates that have improved the system. 6.) Very good exclusive downloadable games such as Warhawk, Everyday Shooter, Calling all Cars, Pain, Go Puzzle, etc. CONS 1.) Poor multiplatform support. Games coming out late or coming out inferior to versions on competing hardware (hopefully getting better). 2.) Important missing features on PSN such as in game XMB access, custom soundtracks, achievements, etc. 3.) Too many game delays (almost reminds me of the N64 days). 4.) Not enough downloadable content. Need more demos, videos, etc. 5.) Was way overpriced (yes this has been rectified but I paid 600.00 for it and early on it really hurt the system as far as public perception and sales. I will NEVER pay that much for a system again.) 6.) Horrid tv ads and an overall lack of information to the public as to what the machine is about (though hopefully getting better.) Overall I would give the PS3 a B- for it's first year of existence. 3rd party support really needs to ramp up! If the PS3 versions of NCAA Football and Madden are not at least AS good as the 360 versions next year, I will be forced to go multi-platform. Last edited by Steelmaker; 12-03-2007 at 12:15 PM.

12-03-2007, 12:50 PM	#5
finalfantasy Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Playstationville, USA Blu-ray reviews:1	I grade it A+ IMHO... Here are the reasons why PS3 deserves A+ 1) I have been a huge computer gamer for years...I told myself 4-5 years ago that if console can make games look as good as PC games, I'd convert...I am a convert! 2) Blu-ray feature is top notch...picture/sound and ease of use...all of it is great...I still don't have a remote since the controller is all I need... 3) Wireless controller and no battery...come on, that's just too simple, yet too great... 4) When I have guests over, all they can say is how realistic the picture quality is on any game... 5) My four year old daughter loves to play Virtual Fighter...she thinks the racing games are played using real cars!!! 6) Price is cheap when considering what you get...Wi-Fi, Blu-ray capability, audio...etc etc...it's like a $20,000 Audi A8... The more practical people will throw cons into the mix as they should... But, complaints over lack of games etc is not fair...it will take time and the library will build up...the BRay conversions of movies is slow but steady...Gran Turismo and FFXIII will make PS3 skeptics quiver with guilt.

12-03-2007, 12:52 PM	#6
richard lichtenfelt Power Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:I'm not drunk, I'm just tired cause I been up all night drinking. Blu-ray reviews:3	You really bought both versions of all those games, or do you know someone with another system who has the exact same games as you? That's odd. Seems like a serious statistical improbability, but whatever. I sold my second Xbox 360 (the 1st one broke), because I preferred the PS3 games. To each his own. Something for people to consider regarding the Xbox 360: http://360-gamer.com/xbox360hardwarefailureresults.asp "Overall 4200 (66.70%) of submissions claim to have experienced Xbox 360 hardware failure" "The 4200 submissions citing problems collectively claim a total of 6916 broken Xbox 360s" http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/ar..._xbox_360.html "pointing in particular to a survey by Xbox360 Gamer which found some people who'd had up to 7 faulty consoles." For making the most problematic video game system ever I give Xbox 360 an F. I feel like a sucker for ever having bought one. I give my PS3 an A-, for now. Once the second generation of games comes out I feel that grade will almost certainly improve. Last edited by richard lichtenfelt; 12-03-2007 at 01:10 PM.

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12-03-2007, 12:22 PM	#3
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	The PS3 should get more love from developers as the sales of the PS3 continue to do well. Last year there just wasn't enough consoles to justify their investment. Hopefully we'll start to see allot more support this year and on. For the first year I would say the PS3 ranks very well. Its packed with true next gen technology with almost bullet proof reliability. Everything else will improve with time and support.

12-03-2007, 01:00 PM	#8
Malosch78 Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Denmark Blu-ray collection:219 Blu-ray reviews:1	I love my PS3. Just need the DivX-support, and it's perfect

12-03-2007, 01:04 PM	#9
MacDaddyOJack Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Richmond, VA PSNetwork: MacDaddyOJack Trophy Level: 12(4%) Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:71 Blu-ray reviews:23 Trading Score:4	I can't give it an A+ because of a couple small glitches. I think it came out a bit too early. I understand that it had to come out soon so that it could combat the sales of its competitors but I think its really not going to take off until next year. There are a couple of small issues with BD playback as well (no DTS-MA) but overall it is a great system. I bought a stand alone player as I wanted DTS-MA support but I just couldnt resist the PS3 for gaming. It is a sweet machine. I give it the A-

12-03-2007, 01:57 PM	#15
ikbradley Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007	The PS3 gets a B+ for hardware and a B- for software. Hardware: The updates were fantastic, except they did not include in-game XMB access. The lack of rumble and failure to implement the six-axis to its true potential were also disappointments. Software: Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword delivered. Call of Duty 4 was a pleasant surprise, because it sank all of Halo 3's momentum going into the holiday. However, Home, Little Big Planet, MGS 4, and GTA IV being pushed back, coupled with Lair flopping were big disappointments that provided tons of fodder to the XBOTs. Sony gets a B overall. It failed to secure Paramount/Dreamworks and its advertising campaign has been less than successful. This, with its failure to implement a very much needed viral campaign are key reasons why HD DVD is alive... altough on lifesupport.

12-03-2007, 02:14 PM	#19
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007

12-03-2007, 02:15 PM	#20
jocka06 Member Member since:Jun 2007	[QUOTE=Steelmaker;384082]Uh, no. Just stating the facts. Xbox 360 versions of NCAA and Madden 08 are superior to the PS3 versions, FACT!! Xbox 360 versions of Virtua Fighter 4 and Virtua Tennis have online play and the PS3 versions do not, FACT!!Besides, there's a difference between citing 360 hardware deficiences in a PS3 review and directly comparing the same game on both platforms. One has nothing to do with the other. The other does.[/QUOTE I thought the developers had to develop the games so that the weaker machine can cope with it therefore reducing the quality on the ps3??

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