Toshiba Unveils 50GB HD DVD

[dialog_gvf]

This is so pathetic:

Toshiba Unveils 50GB HD DVD

So, people should wait an see if the current HD DVD drives are compatible?

[blitz6speed]

Does anyone not notice that its media for storage? Where in the entire thing does it state even ONCE that its for movies? Why would they announce re-writeable discs if it were for movies? I think its just another tactic with smoke and mirrors. We will soon see.

[dialog_gvf]

ROM media would be movies (potentially).

Actually, it is hard to think which way to push this. You realize they've obsoleted every HD DVD player if they are intending to release movies?

Gary

[blitz6speed]

At the minninum, all those A1's are toast. Not sure about the newer systems. And how is it 50 gig when they are 15 gig layers? Something just isnt adding up here.

I still dont believe its for movies tho. I will wait to be proven wrong.

[ProvenFlipper]

This is just like the prototype 200GB Blu-ray disk that TDK showed and the 100gb panasonic disk. None of these prototypes will likely have pre-recorded movies on them.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

At the minninum, all those A1's are toast. Not sure about the newer systems. And how is it 50 gig when they are 15 gig layers? Something just isnt adding up here.

I still dont believe its for movies tho. I will wait to be proven wrong.

Some idiot on AVS is claiming:

- All players are compatible
- A BD studio demanded it to release on HD DVD
- They will release titles under it this year

Quite the claim when Toshiba has already said the A1 can't do TL, let alone this copy cat.

Gary

[blitz6speed]

I have to honestly ask, does ANYONE believe a word TSD says? The guy is so absolutely full of Sh*t. He just keeps making up stuff as he goes and the fanatics eat it up. Todays announcement with 0 sides going neutral will prolly help people realize how much BS this guy has been throwing around, but the die hards out there will still love him for it.

If theres anyone i honestly thing should be banned, its TSD. He claims he owns a chain of stores, i severely doubt anyone whos a real businessman would spend his time online making up lies. Heck, he is probably some Microsoft employee undercover.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

And how is it 50 gig when they are 15 gig layers? Something just isnt adding up here.

They increased the capacity of their triple layer 15 GB vaporware to triple layered 16.66 GB vaporware.

[dialog_gvf]

The point is, lots WILL believe it. And that is probably the main purpose.

Gary

[dialog_gvf]

- It's 51GB (17 per layer) and apparently a boost to 1.5x for the drive speed. So basically, they are trying to duplicate BD specs.

- It's a technology PROPOSAL that would need to be put before the DVD Forum (earliest for ratification Q4 2007).

- A drive speed increase would mean most (all?) current players would be incompatible.

It doesn't matter, the zealots will run around and claim it to be fact. And claim every player will support it. And that it clearly eliminates the BD advantage (that is REAL and exists NOW).

This has got to be the most desperate move I've ever seen. And rather IBMish: Oh, don't go BD, we'll have something just like it in a few months.

Hopefully the media will add the question about compatibility, and that keeps being pressed. Because, that alone could backfire on them. They could be Osborning the entire format as people immediately stop buying and wait for the 50GB compatible players to arrive.

Gary

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

- It doesn't matter, the zealots will run around and claim it to be fact.

While the BD zealots throw 200GB discs at them

It's a madhouse, a madhouse!

[Dave]

Lets see, they now just need to deliver it before BD 100 & 200 are out and manage to outstrip Blu-ray in the PC market @ lower cost!

It will never happen!

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

- It's 51GB (17 per layer) and apparently a boost to 1.5x for the drive speed. So basically, they are trying to duplicate BD specs.

- It's a technology PROPOSAL that would need to be put before the DVD Forum (earliest for ratification Q4 2007).

- A drive speed increase would mean most (all?) current players would be incompatible.

It doesn't matter, the zealots will run around and claim it to be fact. And claim every player will support it. And that it clearly eliminates the BD advantage (that is REAL and exists NOW).

This has got to be the most desperate move I've ever seen. And rather IBMish: Oh, don't go BD, we'll have something just like it in a few months.

Hopefully the media will add the question about compatibility, and that keeps being pressed. Because, that alone could backfire on them. They could be Osborning the entire format as people immediately stop buying and wait for the 50GB compatible players to arrive.

Gary

I agree with you on this

I don't think this would come out till next year (considering that the specs would need to be approved and amended by the DVD forum).

[56@Yamamoto]

Actually, Toshiba is not engaged in HD DVD disk development at all.

It is very doubtful who develops this disk.
And follow up report from Japanease tech media, it is an utterly paper plan so far.

At least, there are acutual BD-ROM100G made by pilot plant, and they've been taken signal tests.

[Maximus]

I just love how a MS employee can say that the BD50 is vapourware, but many prototypes and examples of it had been shown to the public by then. Say that about this Toshiba TL disc and everyone jumps down your throat and says BD fanboy, there is no evidence as of yet that this disc even exists beyond a specification. No prototypes, nothing, all talk.

A bit more technical now, it would be nearly impossible for the B/V diodes in the current HD DVD players to read a 17GB and a 15GB layer with the same NA, they would need to make a whole new type of diode to cope with the new disc structure. This is the same reason why the TDK BD200 could never be used in current players as it uses 33.3GB per layer, giving a different track pitch to the normal 25GB per layer. The BD100 from Panasonic has been sampled for mass production, but only for BR-R/RE use and it is a quad layer disc, using the normal 25GB/layer structure. We will never see this used for movies, that is if it exists.

[Blue]

I assume that 51GB makes HD-DVD a better standard than Blu ray.

One would think that if trying to pass oneself off as a reporter (journalist maybe a little too professional) you would at least get the facts correct, I know they can ruin a good story. So if HD-DVD has somehow come up to 51GB, it's still not up to the BD RE standard.

Although reserved it's still in the standard so presumably can be activated whenever they want.

The new announcement HD-DVD is now up to 55GB!!!!!!!!!

The BDA whitepaper Feb 2006
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/do...lean-13321.pdf
page 12 & 13

"Blu-ray Disc has multiple variations in the recording capacity, to allow user’s selection according to use. According to the Specifications Book BD-RE version 1.0, the single-layer type has three capacity
variations of 23.3, 25 and 27 GB, and the doubledual-layer type 46.6, 50 and 54 GB. The three capacity variations of each type have been realized by changing the linear recording density, with the
track pitch constant. The minimum length (2T) of marks recordable on a disc is 0.160, 0.149 and 0.138μm, in the order of the recording capacity.
From BD-RE version 2.1, the lowest capacities of 23.3GB/46.6GB were excluded from the specifications. One reason was that the disc manufacturing technology progressed and the other
reason was to reduce the effort for the test procedure and test discs for a drive."

[Chris Beveridge]

If BD-50 is science fiction, HD50 is pure fantasy.

Science fiction has the ability to become reality. It's the entire premise of science fiction to extrapolate from the real to something that could be. Fantasy just isn't going to happen. I'll believe in lunar travel before I believe I'll ride a dragon.

BD-50 became reality. HD50 won't. I particularly love that we've heard for so long that "we don't need the space, the 30 is enough" argument. It doesn't solve the bandwidth issue either which is far more problematic for things.

I really think the HD side is just throwing things at a wall and praying something sticks. TotalHD, HD-50, claiming 300 movies *this year* when the statement means 300 total by end of year. And every new player is getting more expensive or remaining the same but losing features. The new A20 is just cannibalizing the A2 and XA2 sales once the in the know crowd figures it out.

[4K display]

HD51...pffff
What's next...hardcoat?

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by 4K display

HD51...pffff
What's next...hardcoat?

LOL!!! HDurabis!

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

LOL!!! HDurabis!

Haha.

Very true

I agree on this one.

Other than that, ALL GEN-1 HD-DVD players are toast (A1, XA1, E1 and XE1). Possibly the Xbox360 add-on as well unless it can be updated via firmware.

The HD-DVD fanboys can only hope that the drive heads on their Gen 2 players are flexible to allow the 17GB per layer standard.

If not, then ALL HD-DVD players release in 2006 are TOAST.

:P