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Old 12-17-2010, 01:05 PM   #1
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Default Twilight Zone episode by episode thread...

How about a thread where we chat a little about Twilight Zone episode by episode, in order. Give your thoughts, analysis, things that surprised you from the audio commentary, what you liked, even things that bugged you.

The glitch some suffered is bad, obviously, but it seems to have been corrected. And some never had problems to begin with.

And so now the picture and the sound quality on this set is amazing for a show from this long ago. It's like you're in the CBS theater watching the show as Rod Serling watched it, on 35mm film.

And it's amazing what Rod Serling and his team could do on such a limited budget. I think in the commentaries somewhere it says that the budget per half hour show was $50,000. Even using a handy-dandy inflation adjuster calculator, that's around $360,000 in today's dollars:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/twilightzonelist/index.html

I think most half hour shows today have a budget of about a million or so. And so 50k even back in 1959 was a not a lot of dough. And yet Twilight Zone still can give people chills. My kids, ages 9 and 14, for instance, have long been able to see an orc decapitated in LOTR, but mention of TZ makes them shiver and creep out.

One of the things about it is the brilliant music by the great Bernard Hermann, also famous for many Hitchcock scores like North by Northwest and Psycho. That music is just so eerie. And the great Jerry Goldsmith also contributed a lot scores.

OK--on to episode one.

Thoughts, comments, etc. about Where is Everybody?

This episode first aired on October 2, 1959--51 years ago if I'm counting right...

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Old 12-17-2010, 01:18 PM   #2
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amazing episode, amazing show... i have seen every ep and i remember checking wiki every ep wondering wtf would happen <_<
anyway that ep was very well done, very smart as it could possibly happen to someone in that state
a little addition, did we all know that rod wrote planets of the apes?
i just discovered this earlier this year and i swear the many times ive seen that movie, how did it not hit me earlier? its got his usual classic twist
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:49 PM   #3
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The issue I have with The Twilight Zone (which is why I never bought this show) is because some episodes can be really good, but some can be really bad. Most of the good episode are found in the first 3 seasons, while a whole mess of bad episodes are found in the last 2.
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:54 PM   #4
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I've only seen a few episodes of this, but I loved them! The blu-ray is region A locked and I refuse to buy the expensive DVD sets when they are available on BD! I will get them eventually and enjoy every episode
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Old 12-17-2010, 02:50 PM   #5
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The issue I have with The Twilight Zone (which is why I never bought this show) is because some episodes can be really good, but some can be really bad. Most of the good episode are found in the first 3 seasons, while a whole mess of bad episodes are found in the last 2.
So just buy the first 3 seasons!

In the 4th year the show went to one hour. There are a few good episodes that year -- "On Thursday We Leave For Home" is excellent -- but over-all it didn't work as well.

By the 5th season the show was beginning to slide -- especially late in the year -- but there are still a number of really classic episodes. "Living Doll" ("I'm talky Tina and I don't like you!") "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet", "In Praise Of Pip", "Night Call", "An Occurance At Owl Creek Bridge" and "The Masks" are among the best episodes ever made. Unfortunately, the worst episodes are that year too -- "Black Leather Jackets", "The Fear", "Come Wander With Me", "Bewitchin' Pool" and "From Agnes With Love" are pitiful.

Over-all, well worth getting for fans. Casual viewers might rent first -- especially the 4th season. If you can live with a lesser batting average though, some 5th season shows are pretty essential.

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Old 12-17-2010, 03:22 PM   #6
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amazing episode, amazing show... i have seen every ep and i remember checking wiki every ep wondering wtf would happen <_<
anyway that ep was very well done, very smart as it could possibly happen to someone in that state
a little addition, did we all know that rod wrote planets of the apes?
i just discovered this earlier this year and i swear the many times ive seen that movie, how did it not hit me earlier? its got his usual classic twist
tigss: Great point. I always forget too that Rod Serling was a writer on the original 1968 Planet of the Apes. And now that you mention it--it *is* like a really huge episode of TZ.

As you say, in this first episode it's not entirely impossible for someone who is completely isolated for a long time to lose their marbles. I think it's a good episode.

Big thing I learned from the commentary by the star Earl Holliman--this is the same Universal back lot set that was later used for Back to the Future. Once he said it I could see it clearly and it made perfect sense. Can't believe I didn't see it before.

Can anyone post a pic of that comparing this ep with Back to the F? I don't know how to post pics on here yet.
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Old 12-17-2010, 03:26 PM   #7
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The issue I have with The Twilight Zone (which is why I never bought this show) is because some episodes can be really good, but some can be really bad. Most of the good episode are found in the first 3 seasons, while a whole mess of bad episodes are found in the last 2.
Can't you say this about pretty much every show? I mean there are good and bad episodes of Star Trek, Cheers, Friends, Fringe, etc.?

The first season, imho, is well worth picking up, esp. at the current price of c.$50 from amazon....Since there were 36 episodes that year, it's about a buck and half an episode...
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Old 12-17-2010, 03:29 PM   #8
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I've only seen a few episodes of this, but I loved them! The blu-ray is region A locked and I refuse to buy the expensive DVD sets when they are available on BD! I will get them eventually and enjoy every episode
Nielsb: A fan in Denmark. Cool.

I used to be able to say strawberries and cream in Danish, because my sister was an exchange student in Aarhus (sp?) long ago. How does that go again?

Well, even if you don't have the blu, do you remember the first episode a little? You can look it up on wikipedia for a refresher, and you'll probably say "oh yeah" (in Danish, of course), and then maybe you could have a cup of coffee and a Danish (sorry, that was bad, I know) and post a few thoughts about it?

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So just buy the first 3 seasons!

In the 4th year the show went to one hour. There are a few good episodes that year -- "On Thursday We Leave For Home" is excellent -- but over-all it didn't work as well.

By the 5th season the show was beginning to slide -- especially late in the year -- but there are still a number of really classic episodes. "Living Doll" ("I'm talky Tina and I don't like you!") "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet", "In Praise Of Pip", "Night Call", "An Occurance At Owl Creek Bridge" and "The Masks" are among the best episodes ever made. Unfortunately, the worst episodes are that year too -- "Black Leather Jackets", "The Fear", "Come Wander With Me", "Bewitchin' Pool" and "From Agnes With Love" are pitiful.

Over-all, well worth getting for fans. Casual viewers might rent first -- especially the 4th season. If you can live with a lesser batting average though, some 5th season shows are pretty essential.
CharlieRay: Excellent points and overview of the strengths and weaknesses of the seasons. I've never even seen most of the hour long episodes....

What are your thoughts on the first episode?

PS Noticed your profile. Just as an fyi there's a nice discussion at yahoo groups called the Hitchcock profile...
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CharlieRay: Excellent points and overview of the strengths and weaknesses of the seasons. I've never even seen most of the hour long episodes....

What are your thoughts on the first episode?
It's interesting. It's one of the very few episodes that could actually happen, which is why it was chosen for the pilot. Some of the more fantasy oriented stories would have hard a hard time finding a sponsor. There was very little of that kind of programming before Twilight Zone.

The episode itself is fine, though certainly not up to the best of the series. Apparently Rod felt that something was missing in it too. Later, when he included the story in a Twilight Zone book he added a twist. Remember when the main character goes into that movie theater? In the book version he tears off a ticket at the booth and puts the stub in his pocket. Then at the end of the story when he's being carried away from the isolation booth he puts his hand in his pocket . . . and the stub is there!
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It's interesting. It's one of the very few episodes that could actually happen, which is why it was chosen for the pilot. Some of the more fantasy oriented stories would have hard a hard time finding a sponsor. There was very little of that kind of programming before Twilight Zone.

The episode itself is fine, though certainly not up to the best of the series. Apparently Rod felt that something was missing in it too. Later, when he included the story in a Twilight Zone book he added a twist. Remember when the main character goes into that movie theater? In the book version he tears off a ticket at the booth and puts the stub in his pocket. Then at the end of the story when he's being carried away from the isolation booth he puts his hand in his pocket . . . and the stub is there!
You're right. I hadn't thought about the fact that it's one of the few that could actually happen.

Well, I don't know about that. It's open to interpretation and discussion, but I think that maybe some other episodes are happening in the minds of people who have gone off the deep end. I mean that gambling episode. No one else sees those crazy one armed bandits do they? Just that man "Franklin." And maybe that man in a crazed delusion wrestled with the machine and fell out the window.

And there are at least a few others like that, I think, where the fantastic things we are seeing are perhaps supposed to be just the products of truly sick minds....?

On the commentary it says that originally Serling had written as the first episode something called "The Happy Place"--or some such title. It was a retirement home in the future where they kept people happy with drugs until they did away with them because they were of no use to society.

The CBS exec who read it said to RS that it would never work, never sell. RS got pretty angry, apparently. But then he went home, realized the exec was right, and in a couple of weeks wrote the script of Where is Everybody?--which the CBS exec (don't remember his name) loved, and they got along well after that.

In fact this exec went with the film when it was done for a screening in New York City with CBS head honcho Bill Daley (?). The head of CBS didn't like to watch pilots in the NY theater with anybody, because then they would ask how he liked it. But since this other guy was an exec too, he made an exception. That turned out to be kind of a good thing, because the projectionist was so wrapped up in the story that he forgot to put on the third reel of film.

Suddenly, right at the part where the character runs into the mirror, the screen went black--with no explanation at all of what it was all about. Daley said something like "What?! That's it?!" And the other exec hastened to say that no there was another reel that explained it and told the projectionist to get with it and put it on. And after watching the rest of it, Daley loved it and green lit the series.

Yeah, interesting the idea that you mention of a ticket stub that then falls out of his pocket when he gets out of the isolation tank--which as you say goes against the idea of this episode but shows where TZ is soon going to go.

Earl Holliman says in the audio commentary that he came up with a similar idea. His idea was that he would tear a number out of the phone book, and then that would fall out of his pocket later. He says Serling said CBS just wouldn't go for it.

But after the series was approved they sure did go for it....

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Old 08-04-2012, 09:52 PM   #12
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Picked up season one today. I've only seen the first 2 episodes so far. Pretty good stuff. It's actually the first time for me to watch The Twilight Zone

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"The Hunt" to me is the essence of being a pet owner.

Always been my favorite episode (well, tied with "100 Yards Over the Rim")
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