HSM2 vs Hairspray

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by half71511

zac efron mainly, and it wasnt that it was horrible, but it was kind of mehh, something was a little off, and it isnt that i dont like him as a actor, because i do,but i havent seen it since it aired on tv, i just got the bd in, gonna take a look at it now, maybe it was just the broadcast, lol

Let us know your updated view.

[half71511]

will do checking it out now

[half71511]

WOW, lol, all i can say is that watching the bluray made a HUGE difference, even my sister said that it sounded way better and clearer

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by half71511

WOW, lol, all i can say is that watching the bluray made a HUGE difference, even my sister said that it sounded way better and clearer

Glad to hear that positive response.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by dalamchops

are you 13?

With much evidence to support my theory, I'm trying to educate a bewildered public that one of the REASONS for HSM-mania is a generation that has literally never seen a real Broadway-spawned movie musical in their life:
Don't believe it?--Go ahead, name a major stage-musical movie made between 1983 and 2001. (And those Andrew Lloyd Webber "Cats" direct-DVD's don't count.)
The theory has contributed to science by also offering an explanation as to why people liked "Moulin Rouge" at the time.

On one of our Disney boards, every time we get a "ZOMG, HSM is teh kewlest!" post, we older-generation folk like to heckle them with "Oh, say, just found out there's this thing called 'Grease' you might want to rent!--I saw it on the shelf next to 'Fame' and 'West Side Story'! "
(And, yes, the responses tend to be, "OMG, Grease, we just saw that for the first time last week!")

YMMV whether Hairspray was "better" than HSM2, but fact is, it deserved to exist more than HSM2.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

'Hairspray' SHOULD BE this generations 'Grease'!!! Instead, the 'High School Musical' phenomenon has stepped in the way and shoved flippant content into the pop culture where 'Hairspray' has more important things to say in a much more enjoyable way. 'Hairspray' is a thousand times better than HSM1, HSM2, and HSM3 combined. And PQ/AQ don't even come into play on this one for me.

Originally Posted by EricJ

Hairspray was "better" than HSM2, but fact is, it deserved to exist more than HSM2.

NOW THAT'S THE TICKET RIGHT THERE. Well said Sir!

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by EricJ

With much evidence to support my theory, I'm trying to educate a bewildered public that one of the REASONS for HSM-mania is a generation that has literally never seen a real Broadway-spawned movie musical in their life:
Don't believe it?--Go ahead, name a major stage-musical movie made between 1983 and 2001. (And those Andrew Lloyd Webber "Cats" direct-DVD's don't count.)
The theory has contributed to science by also offering an explanation as to why people liked "Moulin Rouge" at the time.

On one of our Disney boards, every time we get a "ZOMG, HSM is teh kewlest!" post, we older-generation folk like to heckle them with "Oh, say, just found out there's this thing called 'Grease' you might want to rent!--I saw it on the shelf next to 'Fame' and 'West Side Story'! "
(And, yes, the responses tend to be, "OMG, Grease, we just saw that for the first time last week!")

YMMV whether Hairspray was "better" than HSM2, but fact is, it deserved to exist more than HSM2.

Even the people here donot know about musicals at all. You want proof go look at the new this week thread were as of now 155 votes and only 4 for That Entertainment.

Cannot agree more with what has been said. But there are still a few of the younger generation out there that like true musicals.

[Zyclone]

Originally Posted by patrick99

I thought HSM2 was superior to Hairspray in every way, including PQ and music.

i have'nt seen HSM2 or hairspray but i think all they have in common is they are both musicals

hairspray was written years and years while HSM2 is a newer production.

seems to me like your doing a apples/oranges thing here.

my two cents.

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by EricJ

YMMV whether Hairspray was "better" than HSM2, but fact is, it deserved to exist more than HSM2.

And why is that, exactly?

I would think it should be beyond dispute that the one essential ingredient in a good musical is good music. HMS2 has that; Hairspray doesn't.

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

'Hairspray' has more important things to say in a much more enjoyable way.

I hadn't realized that the purpose of musicals was to say "important things."

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by patrick99

And why is that, exactly?

Because Hairspray was made by people who had seen musicals before in their lives, and still passed the expectations of its peer audience--
I'm sure that if you went back in time to the 1800's and showed an episode of "Saved by the Bell" to Victorian audiences who had never seen pictures move before, it would be hailed as the technical marvel of the age.

(Oh, and because, unlike "Saved by the Bell", Hairspray was also released in theaters.)

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Because Hairspray was enjoyed by people who had seen musicals before in their lives, and still passed their expectations--
I'm sure if you went back in time to the 1800's and showed "Gigli" to Victorian audiences who had never seen pictures move before, it would be hailed as the technical marvel of the age.

(Oh, and because Hairspray was also released in theaters.)

Well, I have seen musicals before in my life, and I enjoyed HSM2 immensely more than Hairspray. I am old enough to have seen movie musicals such as South Pacific, The Music Man, Sound of Music, and My Fair Lady in theaters when they were first released. I particularly liked The Music Man; I believe I saw it about 12 times during its original release. More recently, I have become a great fan of Gene Kelly's movies, which, when I last checked, were musicals. I would think that people who claim to be such admirers of the movie musical genre would be happy to see titles like HSM1 and HSM2 creating an interest in the movie musical genre in a generation that otherwise would have absolutely none.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by patrick99

Well, I have seen musicals before in my life, and I enjoyed HSM2 immensely more than Hairspray. I am old enough to have seen movie musicals such as South Pacific, The Music Man, Sound of Music, and My Fair Lady in theaters when they were first release.

...Then WHAT, for the luva Mike, are you doing watching the Disney Channel???

(And don't say it's "because you like Disney", you know better than that, and we know.)

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by EricJ

...Then WHAT, for the luva Mike, are you doing watching the Disney Channel???

(And don't say it's "because you like Disney", you know better than that, and we know.)

What makes you think I'm watching the Disney Channel? I ordered HSM2 on BD because it was on BD and because I had vaguely heard of the popularity of HSM1, so I thought I'd give it a try.

[evo_dadi]

i own both and watched it with the kids and TO ME hairspray seemed way better.but then again the target audience for hsm2 is much younger .ive seen hsm1 and its much better than hsm2,the new one had waaay too many things that were overly done.

[SamInNorthCakalakey]

Oh, I think you can judge people on this!!!

PQ for both movies are spot on. You have to give HSM2 a slight edge for AQ. However anyone who thinks HSM2 is anything more than a very long video is NOT and I repeat NOT IN THERE RIGHT MINDS. The acting and story are just superficial. It's meant for the 5-16 year old range, they can't put anything real in it.

You can argue the PQ/AQ on the BD's but please don't compare the movie to Hairspray. The maturity levels of the two movies are not on the same plane.

Originally Posted by half71511

hsm 1 was a better movie that part 2, i liked both though, but i think hairspray is a better overall movie than hsm 2, but i like the music in all of them

and i am 17, problem is not many people would admit to liking hsm, frankly i dont really care, i think movies and music are two things you cant really judge people on.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

HSM is what it is

Throwaway crap for Disney Channel designed to sell lunchboxes.

100% in agreement. Great for kids to watch, but the message delivered is just worthless drivel.

Waters' Hairspray is the definitive title.

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by SamInNorthCakalakey

Oh, I think you can judge people on this!!!

PQ for both movies are spot on. You have to give HSM2 a slight edge for AQ. However anyone who thinks HSM2 is anything more than a very long video is NOT and I repeat NOT IN THERE RIGHT MINDS. The acting and story are just superficial. It's meant for the 5-16 year old range, they can't put anything real in it.

You can argue the PQ/AQ on the BD's but please don't compare the movie to Hairspray. The maturity levels of the two movies are not on the same plane.

I guess I need to check myself into a mental hospital then.

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by ikbradley

100% in agreement. Great for kids to watch, but the message delivered is just worthless drivel.

Waters' Hairspray is the definitive title.

Once again, where is it written that movie musicals are supposed to have "important" messages?

[SamInNorthCakalakey]

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

Originally Posted by patrick99

I guess I need to check myself into a mental hospital then.