Plot Holes (Spoilers!)

[The_Basterd]

Name movies with gigantic plot holes.

1- Memento: If Leonard has short-term memory loss, how does he remember his condition...>?

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by The_Basterd

Name movies with gigantic plot holes.

1- Memento: If Leonard has short-term memory loss, how does he remember his condition...>?

That's not a plot hole. He knows his condition precisely because he has short-term memory loss...and not long-term memory loss. He remembers his condition the same way he remembers everything else about himself that is long term - who he is, who his wife was, his previous job, his clients - everything before "the incident." This is explained in the movie.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

That's not a plot hole. He knows his condition precisely because he has short-term memory loss...and not long-term memory loss. He remembers his condition the same way he remembers everything else about himself that is long term - who he is, who his wife was, his previous job, his clients - everything before "the incident." This is explained in the movie.

But untill the incident her didn't have short-term memory loss. My understanding is said people usually don't know that they have it, but some do.

[Suntory_Times]

Episode 5: Empire Strikes back, look how quick he becomes a 'jedi'

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

But untill the incident her didn't have short-term memory loss. My understanding is said people usually don't know that they have it, but some do.

Exactly. And it's explained that he does. Not a plot hole.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Episode 5: Empire Strikes back, look how quick he becomes a 'jedi'

Yeah, I've always "let that one go", cause the movie is so great otherwise. But yeah, he becomes a Jedi (well, almost), in the time it takes Han and Leia to get to Cloud City. Guess he's a quick learner.

[JTStarkiller]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Episode 5: Empire Strikes back, look how quick he becomes a 'jedi'

Well, first off, he's not a Jedi until the end of VI. And secondly, it's the beginning of the New Jedi Order by this time. The galaxy was in DESPERATE need of Jedi, so the rules are bent. I think it makes perfect sense.

[Riff Magnum]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

Well, first off, he's not a Jedi until the end of VI. And secondly, it's the beginning of the New Jedi Order by this time. The galaxy was in DESPERATE need of Jedi, so the rules are bent. I think it makes perfect sense.

It's frickin' star wars and it is Yoda after all. He's a pretty good teacher, what with his awkward subject verb agreement and all.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

Well, first off, he's not a Jedi until the end of VI. And secondly, it's the beginning of the New Jedi Order by this time. The galaxy was in DESPERATE need of Jedi, so the rules are bent. I think it makes perfect sense.

"Bending rules" isn't the same as learning a disciplined art form that takes others a lifetime to learn. I know he is a "Skywalker", but it took Anakin his whole life to learn as well - and even then, he couldn't beat Ben.

[The_Basterd]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

That's not a plot hole. He knows his condition precisely because he has short-term memory loss...and not long-term memory loss. He remembers his condition the same way he remembers everything else about himself that is long term - who he is, who his wife was, his previous job, his clients - everything before "the incident." This is explained in the movie.

How would one remember their own short-term memory condition. He should remember everything prior, but his injury should automatically start the condition alas him not knowing he has a condition at all. 50 First Dates is a truthful example.

[JTStarkiller]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

"Bending rules" isn't the same as learning a disciplined art form that takes others a lifetime to learn. I know he is a "Skywalker", but it took Anakin his whole life to learn as well - and even then, he couldn't beat Ben.

So what's Yoda supposed to say? "Umm, Luke, since you just started and you're about 21 now, you're unfortunately not gonna be a Jedi until you're in your 40s. Let's just let the Empire stick around for another two decades while you learn everything."

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

So what's Yoda supposed to say? "Umm, Luke, since you just started and you're about 21 now, you're unfortunately not gonna be a Jedi until you're in your 40s. Let's just let the Empire stick around for another two decades while you learn everything."

I don't think I mentioned anything about whether he should be trained or not.

We were discussing how the timelines don't match up.

For Luke, it seems like he is training for a long period of time. Months?

For Han and Leia it seems like a few days.

We are just saying, if you go by the Han and Leia timeline it seems like he went from barely able to lift a lightsaber out of the snow to "almost" a Jedi in a few days.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

"Bending rules" isn't the same as learning a disciplined art form that takes others a lifetime to learn. I know he is a "Skywalker", but it took Anakin his whole life to learn as well - and even then, he couldn't beat Ben.

This would be more of an inconsistency, not really a plot hole. A plot hole should leave a gaping hole in the plot so that the plot could not continue as it is seen in the final movie. How fast Luke learns what he learns is not a true plot hole because it doesn't disrupt the plot. In other words, how fast Luke learns, or the quality of what he learns, can be debated based on things like his aptitude or even his (dare I say it) midichlorian (sp?) count.

A better example of a plot hole can be found in Star Trek Generations when Soran fires a rocket from Veridian to the sun. Worf says he would not be able to shoot it down because he only has 8 seconds to aim his phasers. Sure enough, when Soran fires the rocket, within 8 seconds it hits the sun. So somehow, this rocket which had no warp drive capabilities traveled faster than light speed and reached the sun in 8 seconds. Knowing that a rocket cannot travel from a planet to its sun in 8 seconds without traveling faster than the speed of light should prevent the rest of the plot to unfold the way it does. That's a plot hole.

[Riff Magnum]

Planet Terror has a few, but they're all on purpose.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by The_Basterd

How would one remember their own short-term memory condition. He should remember everything prior, but his injury should automatically start the condition alas him not knowing he has a condition at all. 50 First Dates is a truthful example.

You wouldn't need to "remember" you have a condition. Once you realized you could never remember anything, wouldn't you know you have a condition? If you have a headache, do you need to remember you had a headache 15 minutes ago, or is the fact that you have a headache now good enough for you to know you have a headache?

Plus it doesn't hurt by the fact that he has tattoos all over his body and a huge pile of files and records related to his condition with him.

[Spicoli]

Book of Eli should be titled Book of Plot Holes!

[L-Rouge]

I dunno, I was always a little suspicious as to how Uncle Owen could never remember c-3P0. I suppose one protocol droid in several hundred he may have had over the years?, has that effect. fair enough wiping 3P0's memory.

[JavaJulien]

Dark Knight Rises....how about everything. And no, "He's Batman" isn't a suitable explanation.

[remake]

Texas Chainsaw 3D has the biggest one I've seen recently.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by JavaJulien

Dark Knight Rises....how about everything. And no, "He's Batman" isn't a suitable explanation.

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